OT: The WWE Thread

[Fury]

One guy that never really stuck that I was kinda surprised didn't stick was Nathan Jones. For those that watched Brad Pitt's movie Troy...he's the gigantic guy that Achilles kills at the start of the movie. Jones was REALLY 6'11" and 360lbs and was one of the strongest men in the world at the time.

The promos leading up to his debut were amazing, and he had the look, but he was soooooooo bad in the ring. Like embarrassingly terrible. It couldn't be masked.

[adjacent2bench]

Haven't watched since 2002. Was a fan since about 1992 when I was 4. I wanna get back into it, but everytime I watch RAW I feel like I'm too far behind.

Couple questions...

Is there still a RAW roster and a Smackdown roster?

Has the prestige of the IC belt returned? Towards the end of the Attitude era the belt became somewhat of a joke.

Does Vince still have a role on television?

[DowNY]

Not watching until they give my boy Kofi Kingston a legit title shot. Its sad lettting that talent go to waste.

Kofi has solid in ring ability but lacks the charisma and personality to be a main eventer. I think upper mid card is not a bad place for him though. He's already had a total of 10 title reigns (3x Tag Team Champion, 3x United States Champion, 4x Intercontinental Champion). I don't see him as a guy who can be a World Heavyweight Champion or WWE Champion. There isn't much else for him to do.

I don't know. I think if he drops the gimmick he's had since entering WWE & turn heel, then he can really be something more.
Turn heel, change gimmick & attire & be more aggressive.
All it takes is some re-inventing.

[Fury]

Haven't watched since 2002. Was a fan since about 1992 when I was 4. I wanna get back into it, but everytime I watch RAW I feel like I'm too far behind.

Couple questions...

Is there still a RAW roster and a Smackdown roster?

Has the prestige of the IC belt returned? Towards the end of the Attitude era the belt became somewhat of a joke.

Does Vince still have a role on television?

The roster split is done. Some wrestlers only wrestle on RAW, but most wrestle on both shows.

The IC belt is a joke. The new IC belt is really the World Heavyweight Title that Triple H introduced in 2002ish I believe.

Vince shows up from time to time. He was involved in the Daniel Bryan storyline a few weeks ago and will probably return at some point.

[brooklynbrawler]

What do you think they are building up to at Mania?

Main Event: Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk for the WWE Championship

I would buy the show if that was the main event, regardless of the rest of the card. I don't know where that leaves Cena, and Triple H at mania though. What I think will happen is

1) Wwe title-Punk vs. Bryan (but I keep thinking it could be Bryan vs. Triple H also)
2) Taker vs. Cena
3) Brock vs. Rock

Daniel Bryan vs Randy Orton(WWE)
CM Punk (WHC) vs Brock Lesnar
John Cena vs The Undertaker
Triple H vs The Rock

[nyk4L7_21]

Just a few random observations/opinions. Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett and Dolph Ziggler are underrated/underappreciated, especially Cody. He's a sound technician, cuts a pretty decent promo and has a marketable look. He's been in no man's land for way too long. I'm hoping he can be heavily involved in the main event picture when he comes back. Barrett's push was derailed b/c he got hurt last year, but he defintitely has a lot of potential. If you rememeber the Nexus angle Barrett was the sole mouthpiece and catalyst for the only legit heel stable in the last 5-6 years until the Shield came up. As for Ziggler, even though he was WH champ I think he's been a victim of poor booking. Definitely a top 5 performer in the WWE and deserves more acknowledgement.
WWE is too dependent on part timers i.e. Rock/Y2J/Brock. Those guys take the top spots in the major PPVs so it's hard to really build new stars and give the underrated wrestlers named above their true shots.
What's with the Big Show crybaby act from Monday night? This was the same heel Orton and Sheamus weren't sure if they could trust in their match against the shield at WM now they've turned him into a big marshmellow.
Divas division needs a makeover. I like AJ, Kaitlyn, Leyla, and Natalya, the rest are not that impressive in the ring. As much as I love wrestling and everything related to it I find Total Divas hard to watch b/c it's "reality television" and it comes off so scripted. Despite the fact that WWE product is scripted anyway, having a reality show that tries to be real, yet it's so obviously staged makes it more difficult to follow.

Seriously, wtf is this. I love Big Show but it seems as though they're making his character become all emotional instead of the intimidator that he used to be. That fight between him and Daniel Bryan was like watching a Spanish soap opera or something

[brooklynbrawler]

Big Show and Kane must be tied for most heel/face turns of all time. But, I never was the biggest Big Show fan but I must admit this character sucks but it serves as purpose. I think they'll eventually have a HHH vs Big Show match, or at least a moment when Big Show snaps on Triple H and chokeslams him or something.

Another thing, I think eventually they'll have to let Daniel Bryan "win" the next Raw or Smackdown. I don't mean win the match, I mean to end the night on a high note.

Also, I think CM Punk should win the IC title at NoC. I know it's not on the line right now but people are arguing that he's too "big" for the title. That can't be right because guys like Jericho, Mysterio, HHH, and Shawn Michaels have all won the title after winning the WWE or WHC. If anything it will bring prestige back to the belt.

[IMAN5]

Agree with above post that Punk having IC title would be cool.

I was never a huge Big Show fan, but props to him for having this long of a career.

[Trav_NYK]

i watch raw every monday and i try to order all of the main pay per views lol

for me ive been a fan my whole life, but it has really came back to greatness ever since CM Punk started to say whatever he wants on the mic. I am his biggest fan lol

i love what they are now doing with the whole triple H, randy orton, and daniel brian story line. Its starting to remind me of the old corporation story line involving vince mcmahon and the rock. And the shield as triple h's security force is perfect!!

[Trav_NYK]

Big Show and Kane must be tied for most heel/face turns of all time. But, I never was the biggest Big Show fan but I must admit this character sucks but it serves as purpose. I think they'll eventually have a HHH vs Big Show match, or at least a moment when Big Show snaps on Triple H and chokeslams him or something.

Another thing, I think eventually they'll have to let Daniel Bryan "win" the next Raw or Smackdown. I don't mean win the match, I mean to end the night on a high note.

Also, I think CM Punk should win the IC title at NoC. I know it's not on the line right now but people are arguing that he's too "big" for the title. That can't be right because guys like Jericho, Mysterio, HHH, and Shawn Michaels have all won the title after winning the WWE or WHC. If anything it will bring prestige back to the belt.

I agree with CM Punk getting the IC title. Even though the title isnt what it used to be i feel that Punk would be able to make it more interesting. I forgot that Curtis Axel even had the IC title lol

with the Big Show's new "caring" character it is a little annoying. I didnt realize how much he "cared" for Daniel Brian lol and didnt they play the whole "im broke" story line already with Shawn Michaels??

[Parts Unknown]

Agree with above post that Punk having IC title would be cool.

I was never a huge Big Show fan, but props to him for having this long of a career.

To spice up the match between Punk and Axel/Heyman, it would be great for Punk to not only beat the piss out of Axel and (presumably) Heyman, but to win the IC title to completely demoralize that faction and to show that he has literally taken everything that meant something to the two of them.

[Trav_NYK]

I don't have the time to watch WWE anymore but I do like to hear about who is current and what's going on.

I really like what I've seen from the Shield the few times I've seen it at the gym or heard things from friends. They are like Nexus but seem to have more potential to last longer.

CM Punk definitely is a key piece to what WWE has become, he's one of my all time fave wrestlers and cuts really good promos.

Always been a fan of Orton, some say his pace is a little slow and I do notice it too, but he's a great heel.

What is happening with Cena and Sheamus? You guys said they're kinda out of the picture?

What kind of push is Rhodes getting? I really wanted "Dynasty" (is that what it was called with orton and debiase jr) to workout cause I thought those 3 were perfect together but it just didn't have that "Evolution" success.

Is Lesnar still there? How is he?

With TNA looking like it's gonna go bankrupt more and more (especially with Spike TV being removed from Canadian television and having to be an add on purchase with cable companies) I'm wondering how many will be jumping ship.

well to start off, Cena and Sheamus are both injured so they will be out for a few months. Im not sure what happened to Sheamus (i think he injured his leg or something) but Cena has to get surgery on his elbow, if you didnt see it on Raw when he announced it his elbow was huge!

Brock Lesnar is still in the WWE but he is like The Undertaker and the Rock, which means that he mainly only fights on their Pay Per Views and shows up occasionally on Raw. The last time we saw him was a few weeks back when he fought CM Punk at Summerslam. It was a great match.

and the trio of Orton Rhodes and DeBiase were called "Legacy." I also liked this trio but i doubt they'd ever come together again because Rhodes seems to be getting a push and if they were to team up Orton and Rhodes then everyone would look at Rhodes as the weak link. As for Ted DeBiase Jr, hes no longer in the WWE.

[Trav_NYK]

To me it was a positive at summerslam, and I was excited for the direction of this new corporation with hunter, but man this weeks raw was bad to me (specifically the ending segment). I get the point of it, build as much heat on the heels, but did the audience have to see big show weep for like 10 mins? They are making the babyfaces have no balls right now. The original corporation angle worked cause Austin, DX, and others defy the so called bosses of the company. They were cool wrestlers, and the audience gravitated to them. How can anyone relate or cheer for these guys? Also Daniel Bryan is looking like a wimp by the writers. Austin got his sometimes, but you would NEVER see him constantly killed by the heels. If I'm going to take Bryan seriously, you can't make him seem like he is a loser. For some reason I think the storyline is more about Big Show, than Bryan, and that is a mistake. It's like the Big guy needs to save the little guy. Austin never needed anyone to "save" him. I won't stop watching it though, but I've been shaking my head since the last raw ended.

i agree 100% the last raw where big show showed his emotional side was horrible. I mean come on now. I feel that they think Daniel Bryan cant be the only focal point in this fight against the new corporation which sucks because id rather Daniel Bryan be the only one than to bring in Big Show. Stone cold was the perfect fighter against the old corporation and the only person i see in the WWE now to be able to do what Stone Cold did is CM Punk. Punk would be perfect especially after the pipe bomb he did when he was on the verge of leaving the WWE. But with his storyline with Paul Heyman i doubt they would switch it up.

[HarthorneWingo]

I recently came across this youtube video of former ECW wrestler Steve Corino telling a very funny Iron Sheik story. Happy Rosh Hashanah.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2-KqnSXso[/youtube]

[ctorres]

Monster of an interview from Triple H done as part of the current storyline:

http://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-coo-tripl ... r-26146347

He is so good at selling his role right now, he almost makes me want to agree with him.

[xNewYorkMadex]

HHH is the best heel in the past 10-15 years. He gets true heel reactions. Punk is a great heel, but he gets cheered when he was a heel. When The Rock came back in 2003 as Hollywood Rock, he was such a good heel and funny, that he was also cheered.

HHH has always been a great heel. It was about time he turned.

[H_20]

Have you guys read that the WWE does not want to sign A.J. Styles from TNA? That would be a huge mistake. I can just imagine him in a future feud with the likes of Punk,Bryan and Ambrose.

[F N 11]

Looking forward to WWE 2k14

[JBreezeNY]

Have you guys read that the WWE does not want to sign A.J. Styles from TNA? That would be a huge mistake. I can just imagine him in a future feud with the likes of Punk,Bryan and Ambrose.

What exactly does AJ Styles bring to the WWE that isn't already there? The report was WWE doesn't want to sign TNA guys like AJ because it's a case of small fish in a big pond. If AJ comes to the WWE he'll never be in the main event light, there's nothing for him there.

Only people worth signing and actually making an immediate impact would be Sting & Kurt Angle.

And speaking of the WWE in general, as someone who has been less angry at the WWE for their product the last two years than others I have to say it's been pretty decent. They have a lot of potential but they're not capitalizing on everything.

Ryback being a bully fits him nicely & he seems like a natural at it, problem is he has no heat on him, no buzz at all. Reason for that is because creative had him pretty over with the fans late last year, they foolishly booked themselves into a corner by trying to put him in title matches too early, they didn't give him the title & just left him hanging. Then there were reports about him asking to be a heel, they gave in but they didn't give him a convincing heel gimmick then they switched it up and gave him a bully gimmick.

Then you have the tag team division that looked very promising last year then Vince & creative gave up on the division and focused on PTP, then they gave up on PTP for whatever reason and focused back on the Uso's, then they randomly paired Jack Swagger with Antonio Cesaro...it's just a clausterfu*k. Speaking of Cesaro it's a shame with him too, Vince loved Cesaro but apparantly he got put in the dog house because CM Punk wore a Cesaro shirt and basically said Cesaro should be treated better.

And then of course there is Dolph Ziggler who got put in a great position with a John Cena program but the problem was the program wasn't interesting. Blame it on Cena making it the underdog story once again or Dolph's promo's not being hard hitting but it was just meh. And then after all of that Dolph, Big E & AJ were all set to be a title family but Dolph gets a concussion, that messes everything up, WWE puts Dolph on a lower peg, Dolph complains publicly that Randy has a lot of power backstage & last monday Dolph gets a beat down punish live on Raw.

But WWE is doing some good, the Punk/Heyman feud is fantastic, Daniel Bryan is finally a main eventer, John Cena is a point in his career where he doesn't need the title to be a main eventer so creative can put him in fueds and it won't have to do with the title, The Shield is still a heavy presence, there's rumors of Paige getting called up, Husky Harris has a legitimate old school gimmick that works although it's confusing the crowd, HHH is heel again. I just don't have faith in the booking to be consistently but there's a lot of potential.

[Fury]

AJ Styles would fit right in with guys like Seth Rollins, Daniel Bryan, and CM Punk. He doesn't have the charisma of Punk or Bryan, but there's no reason why he can't be the face version of Seth Rollins. He's a better worker than Rollins too.