Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Trade is Now Official

[-Luke-]

ngl, the fact that someone would rather play overseas than try and contend as a backup to Jokic hurts his legacy

You gotta be trolling

I think that there's a chance that he was talking about Jokic's legacy. I'm not willing to believe that anyone would think that Val has some kind of legacy.

I thought the trolling part has to be describing going to Panathinaikos as "playing overseas", when Jonas has been playing overseas for 13 years now.

[Handlez]

With all the civil unrest going on in the US, I don't blame him for wanting to go back and be closer to home.

Lol there's no civil unrest for rich people.

[One Last Shot]

Jokic finally gets help and he chooses to sign overseas.

WTF.

Why not show Jokic respect and help a fellow European while trying to win a title?

This is such BS.

Do players not want to play with Jokic?

Sucks.

wth why would Jonas show Jokic respect at the expense of having a more comfortable life for his family in Europe closer to home? It's really dumb to even suggest that, Val doesn't owe Jokic anything. If he wanted to leave NBA and it's allowed by the rules then the league and Nuggets should let him be and it seems like Jonas is willing to leave even with financial loss.

[Barnzy]

I like it for Indy. Let's be honest, both Landale and Huff are not going to be playing huge minutes so who have the more valuable skillset?

Shooting big men are harder to find and more valuable for those short shifts. A guy like Landale who can come in and grabs some boards as an effort player is a dime a dozen. Huff is also more athletic.

[sisibilio]

how did Perry not know about this? The trade exemption could have been the Kings instead if not for this trade no?. Now it goes to the Nuggets instead? If so this is a major red flag for our new G.M. Though I'm sure people will attempt to blame Vivek I'm sure.

You don't get a trade exception by buying out a player.

[sisibilio]

This thread is on page 21, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.
If Jonas Valanciunas no longer wants to play in the NBA it doesnt matter if he has a contract
Players are allowed to retire.
Why can he not just retire from the NBA and the remainder of his contract is voided and he can go do whatever he wants with the rest of his life??

He cant sign with a european team unless the Nuggets agree to let him out of his current contract.

[sisibilio]

Off topic Hows rubio been over in spain? Can anyone here that follows European hoops give me a bit if an update on him?

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There was some speculation that he might join Joventut last season but he's aparently retired for good.

[psimanic1]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

12 mil is after taxes, and living in europe is cheaper than us and his 2nd year is team option so maybe he wants guarantee for that 2nd year...also, there are no trades in europe you can get fired and you go where you want not where owner wants

[remiga007]

According to Marc Stein, Nuggets are trying to keep Val for themselves, so the move to Athens probably not a certainty yet.

[magee]

With all the civil unrest going on in the US, I don't blame him for wanting to go back and be closer to home.

Lol there's no civil unrest for rich people.

So there haven't been any Senators or politicians who have been pulled off the floor and handcuffed?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-alex-padilla-forcibly-removed-dhs-sec-kristi-noems-press-conferenc-rcna212688

[Exp0sed]

This thread is on page 21, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.
If Jonas Valanciunas no longer wants to play in the NBA it doesnt matter if he has a contract
Players are allowed to retire.
Why can he not just retire from the NBA and the remainder of his contract is voided and he can go do whatever he wants with the rest of his life??

A player can retire but "retiring" and proceeding to sign a pro contract (even if it's outside the NBA) isn't retiring and can't be done. He will still be contractually obligated to the Nuggets in such a scenario, so..no

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[KGtabake]

This thread is on page 21, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.
If Jonas Valanciunas no longer wants to play in the NBA it doesnt matter if he has a contract
Players are allowed to retire.
Why can he not just retire from the NBA and the remainder of his contract is voided and he can go do whatever he wants with the rest of his life??

A player can retire but "retiring" and proceeding to sign a pro contract (even if it's outside the NBA) isn't retiring and can't be done. He will still be contractually obligated to the Nuggets in such a scenario, so..no

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That doesn't apply for FIBA. It's NBA.
Panathinaikos isn't bound to NBA and Valanciunas hasn't yet received any money from the Nuggets so he can buy out his contract.
No team can retain a player who doesn't want to play. They'll agree to a buy out, he will gift them the entirety of the salary and he'll leave.

[Exp0sed]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

Salaries in Europe are after tax and there are other amenities that aren't counted towards the reported salary, for example a lease on a house, a leased car and other perks. 10M before tax is about the same bottom line as 4M before tax plus whichever comped amenities he'll be recieving. Depending on U.S state tax (which varies), he's probably leaving a bit of money on the table but he's made plenty in his career and clearly that difference is pretty negligible to him, which makes sense if he preferes to live and raise his family in Europe. It's a lifestyle choice and he's willing to accept a little less money

it's also an easier job..
Less games, less travel,a fraction of the media\community obligations NBA player have,no need to train as hard or as much either

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[Godymas]

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

they have so much to lose in a nuclear war there is no way they 'win'. the economy and dollar would crash.

no one cares about currency if nuclear war breaks out

[chudak]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

Before and after tax and only 10 of those 20m are guaranteed

[Nuntius]

You gotta be trolling

I think that there's a chance that he was talking about Jokic's legacy. I'm not willing to believe that anyone would think that Val has some kind of legacy.

I thought the trolling part has to be describing going to Panathinaikos as "playing overseas", when Jonas has been playing overseas for 13 years now.

That's a great point as well

[MrPainfulTruth]

Can someone sum up what this means for the Nuggets in the possible scenarios of him leaving, being bought out, or voiding his contract? Does the entire move give the nuggets a bit of wiggle space?

[basketballto]

It has no impact at all. Some Europeans never truly enjoy living in the US, for example Rubio, Mirotic, even Jokic. Mind you Rubio had a bunch of other general issues just like Mirotic.

Many Americans just assume the US is the best place on Earth to live and it's everyone's dream home

If nuclear war breaks out America is winning

The people who have bomb shelters and a few lifetimes to kill are the winners. Unless your part of the shadow government or have spent time/money on creating your own underground civilization your part of the losers. The US could destroy an area/country/region but the US would also receive bombs. Nevermind the global fallout would make the earth impossible to live for most people regardless where you live.

If winning is sitting in a tincan underground bunker eating can beans and filtering out your urine for water until supplies run out then sure.

[CROBulls]

His reported oversea deal is 12 mil for 3 years, and he has 20 mil for 2 years left on his existing contract, why would he consider leaving the nba for less money and more years?

12 mil is after taxes, and living in europe is cheaper than us and his 2nd year is team option so maybe he wants guarantee for that 2nd year...also, there are no trades in europe you can get fired and you go where you want not where owner wants

Yes, money in Europe is after taxes. No trade issues. And likely main role instead backup. Life in Greece is cheaper than in USA. Food is infinitely better. And I will tell you due happening and politics in USA, foreigners will in future look little bit different coming to live or stay in USA.

NBA is maybe bubble and players wont have issues as guys like Val are living in different class, but it's just something to have on mind when those players make decisions to move their families and raising children there.

[sackings916]

how did Perry not know about this? The trade exemption could have been the Kings instead if not for this trade no?. Now it goes to the Nuggets instead? If so this is a major red flag for our new G.M. Though I'm sure people will attempt to blame Vivek I'm sure.

Let’s wait and see what the final trade is. Word is the Kings traded one of their expiring TPEs to absorb Saric. If that’s true this would’ve created another TPE for Sac.