NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

mediocrityrules · Post #441 » by **mediocrityrules** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 7:20 am

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Perseus1966 · Post #442 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 8:27 am

Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek · Post #443 » by **Greek** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 8:50 am

He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

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FinnTheHuman · Post #444 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 8:50 am

Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately. I picked him 6th in my fantasy league, and he's not justifying it with all the turnovers and mediocre production against good defenses, I don't see how that's a guy that can be in the MVP talks.

Perseus1966 · Post #445 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 8:56 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately.

Against lal he was ...had 25-10-4-3 with 9 turnovers
Against clips 32-6-3-1
These are mvp numbers

FinnTheHuman · Post #446 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 8:59 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately.

Against lal he was ...had 25-10-4-3 with 9 turnovers

That stat line is below what Jokic/Harden average for the season, while turning it over 3/4 times, not 9. So yeah, as I said, a mediocre game against the Lakers for the MVP race standards.

Perseus1966 · Post #447 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:02 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately.

Against lal he was ...had 25-10-4-3 with 9 turnovers

That stat line looks like a bit below what Jokic/Harden average for the season, while turning it over 3/4 times, not 9. So yeah, as I said, a mediocre game against the Lakers.

Harden is out ,jokic had 2 bad/mediocre games too

FinnTheHuman · Post #448 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:03 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately.

Against lal he was ...had 25-10-4-3 with 9 turnovers
Against clips 32-6-3-1
These are mvp numbers

Nothing close to MVP numbers. 10/21 shooting vs LAC, low reb and asst numbers... And where's the Boston stats in your comments? Maybe go check out what Jokic averages.

FinnTheHuman · Post #449 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:05 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Against lal he was ...had 25-10-4-3 with 9 turnovers

That stat line looks like a bit below what Jokic/Harden average for the season, while turning it over 3/4 times, not 9. So yeah, as I said, a mediocre game against the Lakers.

Harden is out ,jokic had 2 bad/mediocre games too

Yeah but it's not them who are trailing behind a couple of miles, it's Giannis, so he has to go bananas and he's putting up stinkers left right and center in the last 5. The only game that helps his case is the last one out of last 5.

Perseus1966 · Post #450 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:16 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
That stat line looks like a bit below what Jokic/Harden average for the season, while turning it over 3/4 times, not 9. So yeah, as I said, a mediocre game against the Lakers.

Harden is out ,jokic had 2 bad/mediocre games too

Yeah but it's not them who are trailing behind a couple of miles, it's Giannis, so he has to go bananas and he's putting up stinkers left right and center in the last 5. The only game that helps his case is the last one out of last 5.

2 games is not couple of miles

DutchManDanFan · Post #451 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:17 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately. I picked him 6th in my fantasy league, and he's not justifying it with all the turnovers and mediocre production against good defenses, I don't see how that's a guy that can be in the MVP talks.

Indeed Bucks need to get the no 1 seed for Giannis to have a chance. Most Bucks fans don’t care if someone else wins MVP this year. But he should finish in the top 3 unless he has more games like last week, where he looked to be bothered by an injury after he sat out a game. Most of all we want him 100% healthy, when play-offs starts.

Greek · Post #452 » by **Greek** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 9:27 am

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately. I picked him 6th in my fantasy league, and he's not justifying it with all the turnovers and mediocre production against good defenses, I don't see how that's a guy that can be in the MVP talks.

He was injured, and now he is back to his normal standards. I can see him actually win the 3rd, but thats me, and i have some bias too, still you cant deny the results, its not a hot take.

dribble1614 · Post #453 » by **dribble1614** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 11:47 am

Giannis is the best player in basketball. Quite sad that media sheep use inconsistent criteria and biases from the last 2 playoffs (which has nothing to do with regular season MVP) to pick their MVP every year. He is easily a top 2-3 candidate (and likely #1 right now) based on any objective criteria.

Alatan · Post #454 » by **Alatan** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 12:16 pm

Giannis has a strong case but the narrative is against him. I know that the award is for the current regular season only, but narrative pays a huge part in it.

Giannis has two things that are going against him. His game gets mitigated too easily in the playoffs and his team had two early exits.

This would be his 3rd consecutive MVP and people are not willing to put him in that realm of players. Since MVPs are used as a metric on how a player is viewed historically, every next MVP becomes harder to get relative to his competition.

Its wacky but it has some strange sense to it.

Packbuckman · Post #455 » by **Packbuckman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 12:29 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately. I picked him 6th in my fantasy league, and even he's not justifying it with all the turnovers and mediocre production against good defenses, I don't see how that's a guy that can be in the MVP talks.

Giannis has also been playing on a sprained knee this is the first gm he looked healthy but the media doesn’t say **** about that. Jokic is the front runner right now but Giannis and the Bucks are coming this thing will go down to last games Jokic has played basketball in 48 gms Giannis 45 even with the knee sprain.

FinnTheHuman · Post #456 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 12:42 pm

Packbuckman wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Bucks must finish 1st in east and giannis to play like crazy to get mvp from jokic

Greek wrote:He is actually playing like crazy. 47/10 on 85%. What more crazy you can ask from that?

He's had two awful games against Boston, and then two mediocre games against LAL and LAC before this outburst vs a bad defensive team. 9 turnovers against the Lakers the game before this one. I don't see why you guys show up here posting the last night's stat line and talking how he has chances when he's generally been far from MVP level lately. I picked him 6th in my fantasy league, and even he's not justifying it with all the turnovers and mediocre production against good defenses, I don't see how that's a guy that can be in the MVP talks.

Giannis has also been playing on a sprained knee this is the first gm he looked healthy but the media doesn’t say **** about that. Jokic is the front runner right now but Giannis and the Bucks are coming this thing will go down to last games Jokic has played basketball in 48 gms Giannis 45 even with the knee sprain.

Nobody gets bonus points for playing through an injury, idk why you're bringing it up as an argument for him. Jokic played through a sprained ankle recently, and nobody was using it as an extra argument for his case.

Jokic putting up better stats, Nuggets have essentially the same record as the Bucks in a stronger conference, Jokic played all games, and his supporting cast has surely been worse until the Gordon trade. No, this thing is not going down to last games, this thing is already decided barring something unexpected happening.

eathb_au · Post #457 » by **eathb_au** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:23 pm

Alatan wrote:Giannis has a strong case but the narrative is against him. I know that the award is for the current regular season only, but narrative pays a huge part in it.

Giannis has two things that are going against him. His game gets mitigated too easily in the playoffs and his team had two early exits.

This would be his 3rd consecutive MVP and people are not willing to put him in that realm of players. Since MVPs are used as a metric on how a player is viewed historically, every next MVP becomes harder to get relative to his competition.

Its wacky but it has some strange sense to it.

It's not really narrative that is against him, it's Nikola Jokic basically putting up better numbers and matching him with the team record despite an inferior support cast and better conference.

Infinite Llamas · Post #458 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:33 pm

Giannis has been very inconsistent this season. Some marvelous games and some mediocre ones too and that’s why the Bucks don’t look as dominant this year.

I mean, you can’t have a couple weeks of average games, then have a monster one and run to the rooftop to scream the name of your guy. The MVP is for a body of work, not an award for what you have done in the last 24 hours.

kazyv · Post #459 » by **kazyv** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:42 pm

Alatan wrote:Giannis has a strong case but the narrative is against him. I know that the award is for the current regular season only, but narrative pays a huge part in it.

Giannis has two things that are going against him. His game gets mitigated too easily in the playoffs and his team had two early exits.

This would be his 3rd consecutive MVP and people are not willing to put him in that realm of players. Since MVPs are used as a metric on how a player is viewed historically, every next MVP becomes harder to get relative to his competition.

Its wacky but it has some strange sense to it.

huh? giannis doesn't have a case to speak of at all. jokic blows him out of the water in terms of stats. in fact, giannis from last 2 years blows giannis from this year out, it's not even close. giannis just hasn't had an mvp level season so far, it happens. he just has to play better, that's all there is to it

Alatan · Post #460 » by **Alatan** » Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:54 pm

eathb_au wrote:
Alatan wrote:Giannis has a strong case but the narrative is against him. I know that the award is for the current regular season only, but narrative pays a huge part in it.

Giannis has two things that are going against him. His game gets mitigated too easily in the playoffs and his team had two early exits.

This would be his 3rd consecutive MVP and people are not willing to put him in that realm of players. Since MVPs are used as a metric on how a player is viewed historically, every next MVP becomes harder to get relative to his competition.

Its wacky but it has some strange sense to it.

It's not really narrative that is against him, it's Nikola Jokic basically putting up better numbers and matching him with the team record despite an inferior support cast and better conference.

Jokic is putting a much better offensive season but Giannis is one of the best two way players out there. Its dishonest to say Giannis doesnt have a case. Its just that Jokic has a better one IMO.

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