Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard?

[eyeatoma]

Updated calendar alert.



https://www.nba.com/sixers/schedule

Disgustingly condensed. 7 games in 10 days between March 10th - 21st...

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Lol if we don't lose it before all-star break. Bye bye #1 seed. I would not be surprised if the league saw Embiid leading the MVP race, and said you know what, "fawk that" let's make this a super condense schedule so he has to rest, and lose any chance of getting that MVP.

Are the schedules condensed based on how many games the team missed? I would like to compare the schedule of the team that missed most games.

Check the Wizards, or Grizzlies schedule.

[GutUNC]

5 games in 7 days....f*** off Silver

[zaz102]

Lol if we don't lose it before all-star break. Bye bye #1 seed. I would not be surprised if the league saw Embiid leading the MVP race, and said you know what, "fawk that" let's make this a super condense schedule so he has to rest, and lose any chance of getting that MVP.

Are the schedules condensed based on how many games the team missed? I would like to compare the schedule of the team that missed most games.

Check the Wizards, or Grizzlies schedule.

I checked Wizards and they end the same date but start a day earlier and if I did the math correctly, they play another 2-3 games in that time period. I presume this is same strategy across the league, but it looks like the more games missed, the more condensed the schedule.

Is there a list of which teams missed games and how many. Would be good to look at competitors.

[the_process]

Good news is after the 2 consecutive road games in Milwaukee... the end of the schedule is pretty much a cakewalk.

[Sixerscan]

Are the schedules condensed based on how many games the team missed? I would like to compare the schedule of the team that missed most games.

Check the Wizards, or Grizzlies schedule.

I checked Wizards and they end the same date but start a day earlier and if I did the math correctly, they play another 2-3 games in that time period. I presume this is same strategy across the league, but it looks like the more games missed, the more condensed the schedule.

Is there a list of which teams missed games and how many. Would be good to look at competitors.

There was a thing about teams with multiple all stars getting an extra day of all star break so that those guys would actually get a break, pick your poison...

[M2J]

Spoiler:

The problem with our team is that we only have Ben, Joel, and Tobias to spread out to the second unit. And while Tobias has been great for us, he's not quite a creator on offense. Ben technically isn't much either in the half court.

As far as spacing the court, I don't think it really matters that much. The bigger issue is not getting more out of the bench. Curry and Green don't really help in that regard either. We are banking on one of them to produce offensively every night in order to pull out the win. I'd rather bank on DeRozan.

I think DeRozan makes us a very interesting team going into the playoffs. I think he is worth using some assets. If you watch Maxey, Tobias, even Shake at times, the skill of drawing/selling fouls is very hard in the NBA. DeRozan, Embiid, and, recently, Simmons know how to get those calls. That would completely change the offensive dynamic of this team.

I'm not sure what the asking price will be, but I'd at least give them a call.

I’d have interest but Ben and Embiid are already in each other’s way, and while Harris has been playing more of a stretch role, he still loves to get to the hoop. I wonder if DeRozan could be effective in minutes with those guys. Good value pickup tho.

I think I agreed with this more last year and probably the early parts of this year. Feel like Embiid, aside from last night, has figured out efficient ISO scoring and accurate skip passing, which has somewhat helped with the half court offense.

In my opinion, the real pain point is not having someone who can create offense when the shot clock is expiring. It feels like the hot potato lands in Danny Green's hand and he has been asked to do stuff that's completely out of his wheel house. Additionally, our best PnR option is...? DeRozan was, at one point, the 2nd most efficient PnR ballhandler in the NBA. He and Embiid (between them: 18.5 FTA a game) would be lethal in the half court. Even he and Ben running the PnR would create some stress on the defense.

I firmly feel like he's a guy to watch as a Morey darkhorse trade. He's considered a great locker room guy who has been a leader in Tor and SA and has backed it up with all star numbers. At 31 years old, he still has a few years left in the tank and wants to win now. I'd definitely take the chance on him. It doesn't feel realistic that he's going to pull a Kawhi and want to head home to the Lakers or Clippers at the end of the year. Could be wrong.

Demar basically plays like Jimmy offensively, so it can work. But hopefully need take a few more open threes.

I think Morey should consider him above Kyle due to age only as long as you can keep Tobi.

[spikeslovechild]

Spoiler:

I’d have interest but Ben and Embiid are already in each other’s way, and while Harris has been playing more of a stretch role, he still loves to get to the hoop. I wonder if DeRozan could be effective in minutes with those guys. Good value pickup tho.

I think I agreed with this more last year and probably the early parts of this year. Feel like Embiid, aside from last night, has figured out efficient ISO scoring and accurate skip passing, which has somewhat helped with the half court offense.

In my opinion, the real pain point is not having someone who can create offense when the shot clock is expiring. It feels like the hot potato lands in Danny Green's hand and he has been asked to do stuff that's completely out of his wheel house. Additionally, our best PnR option is...? DeRozan was, at one point, the 2nd most efficient PnR ballhandler in the NBA. He and Embiid (between them: 18.5 FTA a game) would be lethal in the half court. Even he and Ben running the PnR would create some stress on the defense.

I firmly feel like he's a guy to watch as a Morey darkhorse trade. He's considered a great locker room guy who has been a leader in Tor and SA and has backed it up with all star numbers. At 31 years old, he still has a few years left in the tank and wants to win now. I'd definitely take the chance on him. It doesn't feel realistic that he's going to pull a Kawhi and want to head home to the Lakers or Clippers at the end of the year. Could be wrong.

Demar basically plays like Jimmy offensively, so it can work. But hopefully need take a few more open threes.

I think Morey should consider him above Kyle due to age only as long as you can keep Tobi.

Except Jimmy didn't work offensively here and Dear is even less of a floor spacer

[Stanford]

Except Jimmy didn't work offensively here

He didn't? Maybe the fit wasn't perfect, but he was the only reason we were in that Toronto series, offensively anyway.

[Negrodamus]

Except Jimmy didn't work offensively here

He didn't? Maybe the fit wasn't perfect, but he was the only reason we were in that Toronto series, offensively anyway.

And I think DeRozan is a much better offensive option than Jimmy. He's also a worse defensive option, but never mind that.

The difference between Butler and DeRozan is the FG% from everywhere other than three:

Butler 18-19: 2FG%: .491 (0-3ft: .718 3-10ft: .306 10-16ft: .400 16-3Pt: .320)
DeRozan now: 2FG%: .514 (0-3ft: .608 3-10f: .462 10-16ft: .452 16-3Pt: .553)

DeRozan is elite in the midrange which I believe will still keep things open for Embiid and Ben.

[DCasey91]

Except Jimmy didn't work offensively here

He didn't? Maybe the fit wasn't perfect, but he was the only reason we were in that Toronto series, offensively anyway.

And I think DeRozan is a much better offensive option than Jimmy. He's also a worse defensive option, but never mind that.

The difference between Butler and DeRozan is the FG% from everywhere other than three:

Butler 18-19: 2FG%: .491 (0-3ft: .718 3-10ft: .306 10-16ft: .400 16-3Pt: .320)
DeRozan now: 2FG%: .514 (0-3ft: .608 3-10f: .462 10-16ft: .452 16-3Pt: .553)

DeRozan is elite in the midrange which I believe will still keep things open for Embiid and Ben.

U know Derozan’s Career playoffs TS% is 51 right?

Butler is a stud offensive player came be very elite for short stretches of games as has been shown (career 120 ortg, 119 in the playoffs) always has been. Defense they are worlds apart. Are we really going to gloss over a player that can give you between 5-10+ assists a game added on?

Never mind the TS%, Elite lvl Free throw rate, 20/7/7/2 elite two way guy for us would solve it more.
Let’s not start with Derozan and 3point %’s he’s worse than Butler lol.

More than just scoring involved when it comes to offense.


If we are talking about the 2nd option here:
Jimmy >>>>> Derozan/Harris

[Negrodamus]

Great, so how should we get Jimmy Butler for the same price as DeRozan?

I never said DeRozan was better than Jimmy. I said he is a better offensive option, especially given the constructs of this team: two, arguably 3, of our best scorers are best near the rim.

[elchengue20]

While we really need a perimeter shot creator, we definetively don't need another below average defender AND below average three point shooter on this team.

DeRozan would be a bad fit here. We really need a fricking 2020's basketball combo guard who can light up from 3 and create shots. Like a improved version of Seth Curry(CJ MCollum for example or Zach Lavine).

It's unbelievable we are spending all of Embiid carreer without one, when those players are the norm nowadays in this league.

[Mik317]

While we really need a perimeter shot creator, we definetively don't need another below average defender AND below average three point shooter on this team.

DeRozan would be a bad fit here. We really need a fricking 2020's basketball combo guard who can light up from 3 and create shots. Like a improved version of Seth Curry(CJ MCollum for example or Zach Lavine).

It's unbelievable we are spending all of Embiid carreer without one, when those players are the norm nowadays in this league.

i mean we haven't had one since maybe Lou and he leveled up after leaving...so perhaps even Iverson lol.

[elchengue20]

While we really need a perimeter shot creator, we definetively don't need another below average defender AND below average three point shooter on this team.

DeRozan would be a bad fit here. We really need a fricking 2020's basketball combo guard who can light up from 3 and create shots. Like a improved version of Seth Curry(CJ MCollum for example or Zach Lavine).

It's unbelievable we are spending all of Embiid carreer without one, when those players are the norm nowadays in this league.

i mean we haven't had one since maybe Lou and he leveled up after leaving...so perhaps even Iverson lol.

Yeah thats crazy lol. I guess you can say Jrue, but he's no that profilic offensively.

Fultz was supposed to be that player. He really messed up the whole Process.

[Negrodamus]

Lol, we're talking about finding a guy who fits perfectly with this team but not trading our major assets (Ben or Joel). Portland and Chicago are not going to want to trade McCollum or LaVine unless they get a star in return, and I'm not talking Tobias Harris.

So yes, getting a creator who shoots 40% of his shots from 10ft all the way to just in front of the three point line at around 50% for a fraction of the price is probably the best move.

In the end, we're going to just overpay for a 35 year old point guard.

[Kobblehead]

DeRozan is a significantly better creator than Butler. Like it's not even close, IMO.

[sixers hoops]

Lol, we're talking about finding a guy who fits perfectly with this team but not trading our major assets (Ben or Joel). Portland and Chicago are not going to want to trade McCollum or LaVine unless they get a star in return, and I'm not talking Tobias Harris.

So yes, getting a creator who shoots 40% of his shots from 10ft all the way to just in front of the three point line at around 50% for a fraction of the price is probably the best move.

In the end, we're going to just overpay for a 35 year old point guard.

If we are talking expirings and light draft capital, I would do it. Not sure exactly where I draw the line.

[DCasey91]

DeRozan is a significantly better creator than Butler. Like it's not even close, IMO.

What are people talking about here lol it’s like they’ve never seen Butler play lol.he has a 120/119 ortg career and playoff rating for a good reason.


7 assists just doesn’t get a mention
Better 3 point shooter%
Better at getting to the line which gets the scoreboard ticking over.
Did everyone just forget the Raptor series or the finals against the Lakers?


Derozan has like an 18 shot attempt 21point return on sub average efficiency on even less spacing than butler lmfao.

[Murray_17]

Joe was sent to the g-league.

With how short the bench is at the moment this is probably the indication of a trade or signing looming

[HouseOfLight]

I was talking about this with someone the other day; the Zhaire Smith for Bridges draft day trade has to be one of the worst, most head-scratchingly incompetent draft decisions in history, right? It gets overshadowed by the colossal Fultz debacle, but it really was one of the most asinine, befuddling trades I can think of. Bridges was basically the photo perfect fit for Philly & obviously had the deep connection & love for the the city/franchise. The whole deal made *zero* sense

For philly fans, besides the obvious lack of a competent front office, what on earth was Brand or whoever thinking when they made that trade? Im not necessarily a fan of one particular NBA team, but I was very excited about Philly drafting Bridges. You could not have asked for a more perfect fit for that roster, for an obvious plethora of reasons, and he was right there for the taking

So, yeah:

A) what was the franchise thinking/how the heck did they justify that?

B) what even happened to Smith? I know he was waived by DET & that he had the near-fatal health issues, but don’t really know any details...