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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5141 » by mpharris36 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:12 pm

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No but there's plenty of rumors about this Cano deal and sending them J.Bruce and them eating $10 mil per year of Cano's deal and us maybe getting them to throw in Diaz or Haniger and us maybe throwing in Gimenez and or J.Dunn and............................................................there's all sorts of rumors of this deal going down in some way.


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If they take J.Bruce and eat $10 mil per of Cano's deal which would mean we would be paying him around $14 mil per for 5 years and we get one of E.Diaz or Haniger while adding Gimenez then i'm all in on that deal.


yeah its a really good deal for the mets.

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Cano has a 5 year 120 left on his deal

Right off the top Seattle takes 50 million off so it goes down to a 5 year 70 million dollar deal

Burce has 2 years 28 million left on his deal. So its a complete wash Cano for Bruce swap for the 1st two years of the deal (meaning the mets add no salary this year)...they would just be on the hook for Cano's last 3 years at 14 million a pop (which is a lot for a player that will be 38 at the time but 42 million over 3 years isn't franchise haulting.

Now take into account Gimenez would never be able to pry Diaz alone (arguably the most dominant closer in baseball last year with 3 years of control) and we make up the value there with the offset of Cano's money who is also a superior baseball player than Bruce.

So now the mets improved there everyday lineup and bullpen without spending a dime, so they should be able to add a few more pieces like a catcher, another high leverage RP, and maybe a CF.
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

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Cano’s game is going to age beautifully. Comes down to how much money the Mariner’s eat.


it also comes down to Diaz...he is the prize in the deal from my perspective. If we are able to offset Bruce a bit and a prospect or two from the mets goes to the Mariners...seems like a good win for the mets.

Get a productive middle of the order hitter and get one of the best relief pitchers in the game. And the only way this happens is because of Cano's NTC and the money he's owed and the mariners desperately trying to get out of that deal.
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5145 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:20 pm

Yeah I'd love to be able to pry Diaz if we do indeed land Cano, but I don't think there THAT desperate to get rid of him. I'd love to be able to get Mallex Smith instead of Diaz if that was an option. Everyone knows the Mariners are trying to dump Cano, less money they eat the better addition they will throw in. He's not ideal, but Cano does solve some problem we have. I'd have no problem moving McNeil over to third if that was the case.

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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

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Cano’s game is going to age beautifully. Comes down to how much money the Mariner’s eat.


it also comes down to Diaz...he is the prize in the deal from my perspective. If we are able to offset Bruce a bit and a prospect or two from the mets goes to the Mariners...seems like a good win for the mets.

Get a productive middle of the order hitter and get one of the best relief pitchers in the game. And the only way this happens is because of Cano's NTC and the money he's owed and the mariners desperately trying to get out of that deal.


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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5147 » by Mecca » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:36 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:Yeah I'd love to be able to pry Diaz if we do indeed land Cano, but I don't think there THAT desperate to get rid of him. I'd love to be able to get Mallex Smith instead of Diaz if that was an option. Everyone knows the Mariners are trying to dump Cano, less money they eat the better addition they will throw in. He's not ideal, but Cano does solve some problem we have. I'd have no problem moving McNeil over to third if that was the case.

Padres won't include Tatis in a deal, I wouldn't even talk with them anymore.


They just got Mallax a month ago, doubt they’d give him up.
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5148 » by newyorker4ever » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:49 pm

Welp there goes getting rid of Bruce's contract in a Cano trade.


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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5149 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:59 pm

Mecca wrote:They just got Mallax a month ago, doubt they’d give him up.


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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5150 » by reub » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:01 pm

mpharris36 wrote:i like the idea of bringing on Cano with the mariners paying 10 million a year...while shedding bruce's contract and get Diaz back in the trade...mets might have to give up a decent prospect as well.

But If you cancel the additional money seattle will be throwing in cano deal goes down to a 5 year 70 million deal. Then factor in bruce is due 28 million of the next 2 years so really its a 5 year 42 million dollar deal.

Add in that Diaz is a top 5 relief pitcher in baseball. Then you go out and sign Andrew Miller from the left side and the mets go from having a pedestrian bullpen to one of the best in baseball with Diaz, Miller, Lugo, and Gsellman.

Cano plays 2b...move mcneil to 3B...and Alonso takes over 1B full time.


I can see Cano playing 1B for us. That's our current position of need. Cano can hit into his 40's. Sweet stroke!
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5151 » by mpharris36 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:10 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:Welp there goes getting rid of Bruce's contract in a Cano trade.


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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5152 » by mpharris36 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:21 pm

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Cano’s game is going to age beautifully. Comes down to how much money the Mariner’s eat.


it also comes down to Diaz...he is the prize in the deal from my perspective. If we are able to offset Bruce a bit and a prospect or two from the mets goes to the Mariners...seems like a good win for the mets.

Get a productive middle of the order hitter and get one of the best relief pitchers in the game. And the only way this happens is because of Cano's NTC and the money he's owed and the mariners desperately trying to get out of that deal.


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Post#5153 » by reub » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:22 pm

We hired Adam Guttridge, an analytics guy with sanity, as assistant GM.

He once won an award from M.I.T. for his Automated Prospect Model.

I'm all for this...as long as the person doing the analytics actually understands baseball too, as Guttridge certainly seems to.
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5154 » by reub » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:24 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:i like the idea of bringing on Cano with the mariners paying 10 million a year...while shedding bruce's contract and get Diaz back in the trade...mets might have to give up a decent prospect as well.

But If you cancel the additional money seattle will be throwing in cano deal goes down to a 5 year 70 million deal. Then factor in bruce is due 28 million of the next 2 years so really its a 5 year 42 million dollar deal.

Add in that Diaz is a top 5 relief pitcher in baseball. Then you go out and sign Andrew Miller from the left side and the mets go from having a pedestrian bullpen to one of the best in baseball with Diaz, Miller, Lugo, and Gsellman.

Cano plays 2b...move mcneil to 3B...and Alonso takes over 1B full time.


I can see Cano playing 1B for us. That's our current position of need. Cano can hit into his 40's. Sweet stroke!
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/robinson-cano-will-rejoin-the-mariners-as-a-first-baseman-next-week-but-he-doesnt-solve-their-biggest-problem/

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Cano is a guy who knows how to hit and doesn't worry about "launch angle."
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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5155 » by Mecca » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:26 pm

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it also comes down to Diaz...he is the prize in the deal from my perspective. If we are able to offset Bruce a bit and a prospect or two from the mets goes to the Mariners...seems like a good win for the mets.

Get a productive middle of the order hitter and get one of the best relief pitchers in the game. And the only way this happens is because of Cano's NTC and the money he's owed and the mariners desperately trying to get out of that deal.


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Re: Official NY Mets Thread 

Post#5157 » by mpharris36 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:32 pm

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I don’t believe this guy as a source. SNY guys break news now?


he was with the daily news...he's pretty tied in to the league actually. Heyman even said there is smoke here.

Cano has a NTC (only willing to come back to NY) + Seattle desperate to get most of that contract off the books. There is something here.
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Post#5158 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:51 am

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newyorker4ever wrote:Welp there goes getting rid of Bruce's contract in a Cano trade.


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I don’t believe this guy as a source. SNY guys break news now?


he was with the daily news...he's pretty tied in to the league actually. Heyman even said there is smoke here.

Cano has a NTC (only willing to come back to NY) + Seattle desperate to get most of that contract off the books. There is something here.


Cano is my favorite baseball player of all time. I'm praying he's back in pinstripes :cry: . His swing is so smooth and will hit .300 until he's 40 as he is a spray hitter and never had injury problems.
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Post#5160 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:22 am

Mecca wrote:
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I don’t believe this guy as a source. SNY guys break news now?


he was with the daily news...he's pretty tied in to the league actually. Heyman even said there is smoke here.

Cano has a NTC (only willing to come back to NY) + Seattle desperate to get most of that contract off the books. There is something here.


Cano is my favorite baseball player of all time. I'm praying he's back in pinstripes :cry: . His swing is so smooth and will hit .300 until he's 40 as he is a spray hitter and never had injury problems.


I'm sure we can work a trade for his final year. :D
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