So how about Joel Embiid

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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#541 » by Ericb5 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:51 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Controversial opinion here, but I think I would actually take KAT over Drummond.

Edit: PS, Embiid is a beast


That's not controversial at all. KAT is easily better than Drummond, and I'm not sure how that could be argued.


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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#542 » by DeKroit » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:51 am

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HartfordWhalers wrote:I take Towns over Drummond.


Who would ever take Drummond over KAT?

I think it is an unfair comparison anyway because I thin that Drummond is a 5, and KAT is a 4.

That being said, KAT is much more talented than Drummond. Drummond is only a defensive player. Offensively he is devoid of skill and only scores off of his physical prowess.

Drummond is more comparable to Deandre Jordan or Ben Wallace. Players that dominate in certain facets of the game, but are incompetent in other facets.

KAT, AD, and Embiid are complete players.


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:noway: I take it that you haven't watched much of Drummond. People still believe this narrative? Also, I'd take KAT over Drummond.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#543 » by GreenBloodedC » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:55 am

I'm not sure if it has been stated here but

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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#545 » by Ericb5 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:56 am

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HartfordWhalers wrote:I take Towns over Drummond.


Who would ever take Drummond over KAT?

I think it is an unfair comparison anyway because I thin that Drummond is a 5, and KAT is a 4.

That being said, KAT is much more talented than Drummond. Drummond is only a defensive player. Offensively he is devoid of skill and only scores off of his physical prowess.

Drummond is more comparable to Deandre Jordan or Ben Wallace. Players that dominate in certain facets of the game, but are incompetent in other facets.

KAT, AD, and Embiid are complete players.


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The exact opposite of this is true. Drummond actually has good touch around the rim, has some moves on the block and is developing solid footwork. His offensive game is definitely not devoid of skill, his development there has actually been very promising. His defense is actually what is most disappointing about his game, his understand of positioning, angles, help defense instincts and awareness is bad and his post defense is mediocre. He can be great at times but on the whole, he's a huge underachiever on defense.


In no way does Drummond have good touch around the rim. Are we watching the same game?

Drummond is a physical specimen, and scores due to his athleticism. He is an elite rebounder, and marginal rim protector, that is a physical beast, but he doesn't have any offensive skill whatsoever. His touch is so bad that he shoots what from the free throw line? Maybe 50%?

Drummond is a stud. Don't get me wrong, but he isn't in the class of KAT, AD, or Embiid.


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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#546 » by Prez » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:03 am

Ericb5 wrote:
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Ericb5 wrote:
Who would ever take Drummond over KAT?

I think it is an unfair comparison anyway because I thin that Drummond is a 5, and KAT is a 4.

That being said, KAT is much more talented than Drummond. Drummond is only a defensive player. Offensively he is devoid of skill and only scores off of his physical prowess.

Drummond is more comparable to Deandre Jordan or Ben Wallace. Players that dominate in certain facets of the game, but are incompetent in other facets.

KAT, AD, and Embiid are complete players.


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The exact opposite of this is true. Drummond actually has good touch around the rim, has some moves on the block and is developing solid footwork. His offensive game is definitely not devoid of skill, his development there has actually been very promising. His defense is actually what is most disappointing about his game, his understand of positioning, angles, help defense instincts and awareness is bad and his post defense is mediocre. He can be great at times but on the whole, he's a huge underachiever on defense.


In no way does Drummond have good touch around the rim. Are we watching the same game?

Drummond is a physical specimen, and scores due to his athleticism. He is an elite rebounder, and marginal rim protector, that is a physical beast, but he doesn't have any offensive skill whatsoever. His touch is so bad that he shoots what from the free throw line? Maybe 50%?

Drummond is a stud. Don't get me wrong, but he isn't in the class of KAT, AD, or Embiid.


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Yes, he actually does have good touch around the rim, idk what you're talking about. Touch around the rim has nothing to do with shooting form. You can have soft hands when it comes to finishing around the basket and still not have a good shooting stroke or be a good FT shooter. I'm sure you think Shaq also had poor touch around the rim, right?

And offensively he has up and unders, jump hooks, drop steps, etc. He has moves down low. If you think he's completely devoid of skill I doubt you've watched much of him at all. He's a very inconsistent player and easily rattled mentally, which can take him out of games, but to say he has no offensive skill at all and is just a physical specimen like a Deandre Jordan is blatantly false.

And I never said he was in the class of a KAT, AD, or Embiid in terms of upside. I'm just pointing out that your breakdown of his game is straight up wrong.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#547 » by MotownMadness » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:07 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Milbuck wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Who would ever take Drummond over KAT?

I think it is an unfair comparison anyway because I thin that Drummond is a 5, and KAT is a 4.

That being said, KAT is much more talented than Drummond. Drummond is only a defensive player. Offensively he is devoid of skill and only scores off of his physical prowess.

Drummond is more comparable to Deandre Jordan or Ben Wallace. Players that dominate in certain facets of the game, but are incompetent in other facets.

KAT, AD, and Embiid are complete players.


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The exact opposite of this is true. Drummond actually has good touch around the rim, has some moves on the block and is developing solid footwork. His offensive game is definitely not devoid of skill, his development there has actually been very promising. His defense is actually what is most disappointing about his game, his understand of positioning, angles, help defense instincts and awareness is bad and his post defense is mediocre. He can be great at times but on the whole, he's a huge underachiever on defense.


In no way does Drummond have good touch around the rim. Are we watching the same game?

Drummond is a physical specimen, and scores due to his athleticism. He is an elite rebounder, and marginal rim protector, that is a physical beast, but he doesn't have any offensive skill whatsoever. His touch is so bad that he shoots what from the free throw line? Maybe 50%?

Drummond is a stud. Don't get me wrong, but he isn't in the class of KAT, AD, or Embiid.


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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#548 » by 7 Footer » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:09 am

Towns over Drummond in every aspect of the game.
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Post#549 » by Blazing_royale » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:54 am

Towns over Drummond all day baby.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#550 » by Marcus » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:08 am

This got sidetracked quick.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#551 » by Marcus » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:53 am

Back to what I was saying earlier about his quick adjustments. In the second half when Jo got his one on ones with Adams he was a lot more decisive when he went. No unnecessary fakes and counters. Just went up. He'll learn who he does and doesn't need to do that with.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#552 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:17 am

Marcus wrote:This got sidetracked quick.


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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#553 » by 76ciology » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:42 am

Well, I think the current competition at C has left Drummond in the dust. Not saying he's no good but there just seems to have an influx of Cs who has better upside than him.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#554 » by crazy_me_87 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:20 am

Has anyone an idea why Embiid has not registered a single assist in preseason and his first Game? I thought he was supposed to be a good passer.
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Post#555 » by 76ciology » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:35 am

crazy_me_87 wrote:Has anyone an idea why Embiid has not registered a single assist in preseason and his first Game? I thought he was supposed to be a good passer.


1.) limited minutes makes him a score first player on offense
2.) other sixers players sucks
3.) offensive scheme off post play sucks
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So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#556 » by steger_3434 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:35 am

crazy_me_87 wrote:Has anyone an idea why Embiid has not registered a single assist in preseason and his first Game? I thought he was supposed to be a good passer.

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Post#557 » by CoreyGallagher » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:58 am

crazy_me_87 wrote:Has anyone an idea why Embiid has not registered a single assist in preseason and his first Game? I thought he was supposed to be a good passer.

May not have registered, but he did have an assist against the Heat that the stat keepers didn't give to him. He has also found teammates for open looks.

1:48 in this video, not sure how that wasn't an assist considering it was a pass directly into a catch and shoot.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#558 » by Kabookalu » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:59 am

I've seen him make really good passes out of the post, surprisingly quick and decisive ones too, but as already said, the Sixers players clanked all of his good reads.
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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#559 » by Prestige » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:03 pm

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crazy_me_87 wrote:Has anyone an idea why Embiid has not registered a single assist in preseason and his first Game? I thought he was supposed to be a good passer.

May not have registered, but he did have an assist against the Heat that the stat keepers didn't give to him. He has also found teammates for open looks.

1:48 in this video, not sure how that wasn't an assist considering it was a pass directly into a catch and shoot.


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Re: So How about Joel Embiid 

Post#560 » by 76ciology » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:04 pm

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