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Post#61 » by Pinot love » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:30 am

Oden2 wrote:Nate McMillan lost the Blazers this game. He needs to get it through his thick skull that when the Blazers are being outrebounded like crazy, they need Przybilla in the game. Also, he took Blake out at the worst possible time and...... BIG F'IN SHOCKER, Jack messed things up again.


eh, I'm pretty sure the players were mostly responsible for the outcome.
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Post#62 » by doogul » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:32 am

The 2nd quarter set the tone for the game. Tough loss, but we have to be able to accept losses like this. It happens...the bench just couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

We just saw one of the games that Charles Barkley was referring to when he said that we can't win anything in the playoffs because we're a jumpshooting team.
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Post#63 » by Fitz303 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:33 am

Oden2 wrote:Nate McMillan lost the Blazers this game. He needs to get it through his thick skull that when the Blazers are being outrebounded like crazy, they need Przybilla in the game. Also, he took Blake out at the worst possible time and...... BIG F'IN SHOCKER, Jack messed things up again.


Are you kidding me?? Thats such a bogus statement its sad. Chandler was owning Joel down low just as bad, if not worse than when Aldridge was on him. in 20 minutes he was able to pull down a MONSTEROUS 5 rebounds. Hell, Frye grabbed more than that in 17 minutes!
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Post#64 » by Pinot love » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:33 am

doogul wrote:We just saw one of the games that Charles Barkley was referring to when he said that we can't win anything in the playoffs because we're a jumpshooting team.


Yup.

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Post#65 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:33 am

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eh, I'm pretty sure the players were mostly responsible for the outcome.


Nate's coaching didn't help. I'm tired of him taking players that are doing well out in crucial situations and instead playing guys like Jack. Also, what was the deal with sergio only getting 5 minutes? He had an amazing game against atlanta and McMillan took him out as soon as he came in.
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Post#66 » by Pinot love » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:36 am

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Nate's coaching didn't help. I'm tired of him taking players that are doing well out in crucial situations and instead playing guys like Jack. Also, what was the deal with sergio only getting 5 minutes? He had an amazing game against atlanta and McMillan took him out as soon as he came in.


We needed better defense and backside penetration from the G-spot. Only half joking there :rofl:

We have so many good players, we can't just say "oh we lost because that one didn't play at this time". For now I say Joel is the only one who is misused.
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Post#67 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:38 am

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Are you kidding me?? Thats such a bogus statement its sad. Chandler was owning Joel down low just as bad, if not worse than when Aldridge was on him. in 20 minutes he was able to pull down a MONSTEROUS 5 rebounds. Hell, Frye grabbed more than that in 17 minutes!


Can you honestly say that McMillan coached this game very well today? I don't know if you were watching the same game that I was McMillan took out Blake when the Blazers were making a run late in the third and as for Przybilla, while he didn't get a million rebounds, the intimidation factor of Przybilla gives him the advantage over Frye.
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Post#68 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:41 am

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We needed better defense and backside penetration from the G-spot. Only half joking there :rofl:

We have so many good players, we can't just say "oh we lost because that one didn't play at this time". For now I say Joel is the only one who is misused.


The thing is, Joel is the only true center playing right now on this team and the Blazers have been lacking what he brings to the table in the 4th. I'm not saying it's always the best situation to play Przybilla at the end of the 4th but in most games, he provides exactly what the Blazers need.
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Post#69 » by Fitz303 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:51 am

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Can you honestly say that McMillan coached this game very well today? I don't know if you were watching the same game that I was McMillan took out Blake when the Blazers were making a run late in the third and as for Przybilla, while he didn't get a million rebounds, the intimidation factor of Przybilla gives him the advantage over Frye.


He took Blake out in the end of the 3rd so he could rest him a little bit to get him back in the game in the 4th.. He was going to go with the hot hand in the 4th, which is what you just said he doesnt do. He brought joel into the game again in the 4th to try and do something, and yet he still got dominated. This was in no way Nates fault
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Post#70 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:56 am

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The thing is, Joel is the only true center playing right now on this team and the Blazers have been lacking what he brings to the table in the 4th. I'm not saying it's always the best situation to play Przybilla at the end of the 4th but in most games, he provides exactly what the Blazers need.


so nate brought Joel back in the game in the 4th...like U wanted... and Chandler immediately pulls down 2 offensive rebounds against Joel.

You blamed Nate for losing the Orlando game and now you're blaming him for losing this game, mainly because he didn't play Pryzbilla. Who was Joel supposed to replace...LMA or Outlaw? They were about the only blazers hitting their shots.

I have an alternative theory to "Nate's the Reason Portland Lost". That theory is that Orlando and New Orleans are better teams then Portland at this point in time, especially when they are playing at home.
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Post#71 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:07 am

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He took Blake out in the end of the 3rd so he could rest him a little bit to get him back in the game in the 4th.. He was going to go with the hot hand in the 4th, which is what you just said he doesnt do. He brought joel into the game again in the 4th to try and do something, and yet he still got dominated. This was in no way Nates fault


It was Nate's fault to take Blake out when he was hot. Resting him cooled him off and took away his hot hand.

With Przybilla, he didn't give him enough time to do anything. He played him for a minute or so then gave up on him. Also, I'm not saying that he would be able to match Chandler on the boards but he would have been able to do more than the guys that were out there at the time. While he did give up two offensive rebounds, he wouldn't have allowed the same amount of offensive rebounds as the players on the court were allowing.
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Post#72 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:09 am

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so nate brought Joel back in the game in the 4th...like U wanted... and Chandler immediately pulls down 2 offensive rebounds against Joel.

You blamed Nate for losing the Orlando game and now you're blaming him for losing this game, mainly because he didn't play Pryzbilla. Who was Joel supposed to replace...LMA or Outlaw? They were about the only blazers hitting their shots.

I have an alternative theory to "Nate's the Reason Portland Lost". That theory is that Orlando and New Orleans are better teams then Portland at this point in time, especially when they are playing at home.


Nate should have gone with a lineup with Blake-Roy-Outlaw-LA-Joel.
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Post#73 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:12 am

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Nate should have gone with a lineup with Blake-Roy-Outlaw-LA-Joel.


for 48 minutes?
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Post#74 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:21 am

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for 48 minutes?


No, down the stretch.
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Post#75 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:25 am

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It was Nate's fault to take Blake out when he was hot. Resting him cooled him off and took away his hot hand.

With Przybilla, he didn't give him enough time to do anything. He played him for a minute or so then gave up on him. Also, I'm not saying that he would be able to match Chandler on the boards but he would have been able to do more than the guys that were out there at the time. While he did give up two offensive rebounds, he wouldn't have allowed the same amount of offensive rebounds as the players on the court were allowing.


people have selective memory

NO had 12 offensive rebounds. Guess how many Portland had...12. The offensive rebounding was a draw in this game. 19 teams average over 11 offensive rebounds a game. 12 isn't an extraordinary number.

Tonight, Minnesota got 22 against Phoenix. Philly had 19 against detroit, Boston had a 16-4 advantage against Toronto and lost. But that game illustrates something: Toronto shot 58%.

Maybe if portland hadn't shot 39% (on a ton of open shots) and gunned up 26 3pt shots, the non-existent offensive rebounding disparity wouldn't upset you so much.
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Post#76 » by doogul » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:26 am

If any of you are sad about the loss, turn on ESPN. San Antonio is taking a dump all over the Lakers in the 2nd half. Ime Udoka is right in the middle of it all :) It made me happy again.
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Post#77 » by b_roy7 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:26 am

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Nate should have gone with a lineup with Blake-Roy-Outlaw-LA-Joel.
I agree. Since Outlaw sucks at SF on offense, maybe LMA could've cheated playing SF on offense? He shoots jumpers, I don't see why not.

Seems we lose most of the time when we don't get a Dakotah thread. :(
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Post#78 » by PDXKnight » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:32 am

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people have selective memory

NO had 12 offensive rebounds. Guess how many Portland had...12. The offensive rebounding was a draw in this game. 19 teams average over 11 offensive rebounds a game. 12 isn't an extraordinary number.

Tonight, Minnesota got 22 against Phoenix. Philly had 19 against detroit, Boston had a 16-4 advantage against Toronto and lost. But that game illustrates something: Toronto shot 58%.

Maybe if portland hadn't shot 39% (on a ton of open shots) and gunned up 26 3pt shots, the non-existent offensive rebounding disparity wouldn't upset you so much.


Well of course winning changes things but it is always aggrivating to see your team give up offensive rebound after offensive rebound. I don't know what the issue is but the Blazers really need to do something about their rebounding issue and I feel that przybilla is one of the few consistent answers that the Blazers have in the rebounding catergory. Oden will fill that need next season but as for now, I think Przybilla needs to see more action.
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Post#79 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:50 am

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Well of course winning changes things but it is always aggrivating to see your team give up offensive rebound after offensive rebound. I don't know what the issue is but the Blazers really need to do something about their rebounding issue and I feel that przybilla is one of the few consistent answers that the Blazers have in the rebounding catergory. Oden will fill that need next season but as for now, I think Przybilla needs to see more action.


let me try again....offensive rebounds are a fact of basketball life. Portland had exactly as many as NO tonight. There was a little flury of about 4 offensive rebounds in the 4th Q for NO, but Joel was in the line-up for 2 of them. He wasn't making a difference tonight.

Portland gave up 12 offensive rebounds and that is actually under their average of 12.6.

Yes portland is weak at rebounding, but they are strong in some other areas. And tonight, when Joel was playing, Chandler was just camped out in the paint. Joel is not threat to score and chandler was cheating off of him, clogging the middle, and jumping screens and picks. That's what Howard did in the Orlando game. At least Aldridge and frye can draw those types of players 2 or 3 steps further away from the basket.

You could make a case that Joel should have played a bit more in the Atlanta game, tonight....no.
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Post#80 » by J~Rush » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:20 am

New Orleans is first in the West, so the blazers got beat by a better team. One thing worth noticing is how the blazers adapt their offense to how teams are playing the Roy pick and roll. I didn't really get to watch more than the third quarter today, so perhaps the offense was ggreat but the shots weren't falling. Anyways, my three cents (adjusted for inflation).
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