McJesus - The Josh McRoberts Thread

[MasterIchiro]

I wouldn't recommend re-signing McRoberts for anything over $4 million annually, and I doubt that he'll be able to command such from a team outside of Charlotte. Only the Hornets will value him as much as he deserve to be, but the raw numbers do him no favors from a outsider's point of view. I don't have a problem with the length of the contract, because they could sign him for 5-years for all I care and I think he'd justify it as a solid backup with heady play

I hope you're wrong. I hope someone offers him a multiyear deal at 5. I also hoped the same for Henderson. Hopefully this time when we don't hear a single peep from other teams we get the picture and lowball him rather than bid against ourselves like we did with Henderson. I remember some were willing to give Henderson 7-8 million/year. DONT give McRoberts anything over 4.

Why would you hope another team overbids for McRoberts' services?

So he leaves. This team is built on Kemba long term and both Kemba + Al short term (moreso Al). I'm for upgrades across the roster and the weak links last year were Henderson, MKG and McRoberts.

[LamarMatic7]

Here's hoping the rest of the league still don't value our players.

[BeesWax]

I hope you're wrong. I hope someone offers him a multiyear deal at 5. I also hoped the same for Henderson. Hopefully this time when we don't hear a single peep from other teams we get the picture and lowball him rather than bid against ourselves like we did with Henderson. I remember some were willing to give Henderson 7-8 million/year. DONT give McRoberts anything over 4.

Why would you hope another team overbids for McRoberts' services?

So he leaves. This team is built on Kemba long term and both Kemba + Al short term (moreso Al). I'm for upgrades across the roster and the weak links last year were Henderson, MKG and McRoberts.

Wrong. The weakest links were Zeller, Luke, and Neal. McRoberts was so far ahead of Zeller it was not even funny. Our weakness last season was we could not go to the bench without dropping off a cliff in some manner. Take out McRboerts and our offense stalls. Take out MKG and our defense suffered. Take out Kemba and there goes any penetration. Take out Al and all post scoring was gone.

Be honest about this stuff our biggest problem does not rest with the starters but with the bench. Now if you are moving a starter to the bench like a Henderson or McRoberts that is great meaning we have gotten better at two spots. IF all you do is replace McRoberts or Henderson then we still have a huge hole behind where they were.

[MasterIchiro]

Why would you hope another team overbids for McRoberts' services?

So he leaves. This team is built on Kemba long term and both Kemba + Al short term (moreso Al). I'm for upgrades across the roster and the weak links last year were Henderson, MKG and McRoberts.

Wrong. The weakest links were Zeller, Luke, and Neal. McRoberts was so far ahead of Zeller it was not even funny. Our weakness last season was we could not go to the bench without dropping off a cliff in some manner. Take out McRboerts and our offense stalls. Take out MKG and our defense suffered. Take out Kemba and there goes any penetration. Take out Al and all post scoring was gone.

Be honest about this stuff our biggest problem does not rest with the starters but with the bench. Now if you are moving a starter to the bench like a Henderson or McRoberts that is great meaning we have gotten better at two spots. IF all you do is replace McRoberts or Henderson then we still have a huge hole behind where they were.

I'm willing to move MKG to the bench. I believe Deng is an upgrade over MKG.

Afflalo or Stauskas or Lance is an upgrade over Henderson.

Zeller, by the end of the year, could be an upgrade over McRoberts. We'd have to sign someone to keep depth at the position or trade for someone like Taj Gibson to start.

[mrknowitall215]

I hope you're wrong. I hope someone offers him a multiyear deal at 5. I also hoped the same for Henderson. Hopefully this time when we don't hear a single peep from other teams we get the picture and lowball him rather than bid against ourselves like we did with Henderson. I remember some were willing to give Henderson 7-8 million/year. DONT give McRoberts anything over 4.

Why would you hope another team overbids for McRoberts' services?

So he leaves. This team is built on Kemba long term and both Kemba + Al short term (moreso Al). I'm for upgrades across the roster and the weak links last year were Henderson, MKG and McRoberts.

I wouldn't have a problem with allowing McRoberts to walk if I was for certain they could land a trade for Taj Gibson, whom I happen to believe would be a ideal fit next to Jefferson in the starting lineup that would upgrade Charlotte's offense & defense in one swoop. Otherwise, I think they should retain McRoberts if the other option is to depend on Zeller suddenly becoming starting material

[BeesWax]

So he leaves. This team is built on Kemba long term and both Kemba + Al short term (moreso Al). I'm for upgrades across the roster and the weak links last year were Henderson, MKG and McRoberts.

Wrong. The weakest links were Zeller, Luke, and Neal. McRoberts was so far ahead of Zeller it was not even funny. Our weakness last season was we could not go to the bench without dropping off a cliff in some manner. Take out McRboerts and our offense stalls. Take out MKG and our defense suffered. Take out Kemba and there goes any penetration. Take out Al and all post scoring was gone.

Be honest about this stuff our biggest problem does not rest with the starters but with the bench. Now if you are moving a starter to the bench like a Henderson or McRoberts that is great meaning we have gotten better at two spots. IF all you do is replace McRoberts or Henderson then we still have a huge hole behind where they were.

I'm willing to move MKG to the bench. I believe Deng is an upgrade over MKG.

Afflalo or Stauskas or Lance is an upgrade over Henderson.

Zeller, by the end of the year, could be an upgrade over McRoberts. We'd have to sign someone to keep depth at the position or trade for someone like Taj Gibson to start.

I find you random hatred of MKG and love of the FAR FAR FAR inferior player in Zeller hilarious.

If Zeller can catch McRoberts next season as many miles behind him as he was this year there is no reason to doubt that MKG can be better than that mess we saw in Cleveland from Deng. MKG is closer to Deng than Zeller is to McRboerts right now and MKG is the younger player.

I am willing to move MKG to the bench just as I am willing to slide Zeller way further down the bench until he plays with some sort of NBA skill. Deng is not an upgrade when you factor in if he gets more than 7 million a year he is horrendously overpaid.

The easiest spots to upgrade are going to be SG, and backups at PG and PF. If we get guys who fit our system at those three spots we will be greatly improved. If we can get a good SF that isn't done like Deng and move MKG to the bench great another improvement but it will be harder to replace him than it is to replace Luke, Zeller and Hendo. I doubt we sign a guy over Zeller but he is a weakness right now. Hopefully he develops a shot and some balance over the summer.

[yosemiteben]

Someone who is not lazy needs to break out some advanced stats and paint a picture of how valuable McB was last season.

Also, if Josh promised not to cut his hair in the offseason or all next season and to go with dreads, would that impact the amount you think he should be paid? Cause I think I'd be willing to commit $5M per year to see McB rock some dreads.

[MasterIchiro]

Someone who is not lazy needs to break out some advanced stats and paint a picture of how valuable McB was last season.

Also, if Josh promised not to cut his hair in the offseason or all next season and to go with dreads, would that impact the amount you think he should be paid? Cause I think I'd be willing to commit $5M per year to see McB rock some dreads.

I think he'd earn a bigger paycheck if he went Birdman neonazi

[ohara]

Offer him something reasonable and see if he wants to be here. But I sure as heck would not overpay.

[Liver_Pooty]

I would give him 5 mill over 2 years. Id be skeptical about adding a third year

[JDR720]

Cho said he wants to resign him, i hope we dont end up paying a role player 5mill+ i would give him 4 mill per year tho

[BeesWax]

I would give him 5 mill over 2 years. Id be skeptical about adding a third year

Do you mean 10 mil over to average of 5 per or 5 mil over 2 average of 2.5 per?

[Liver_Pooty]

I would give him 5 mill over 2 years. Id be skeptical about adding a third year

Do you mean 10 mil over to average of 5 per or 5 mil over 2 average of 2.5 per?

Sorry, meant 2 years 10 mill. I like McRoberts a lot. And that would give Zeller 2 more seasons to get it together.

[BeesWax]

I would give him 5 mill over 2 years. Id be skeptical about adding a third year

Do you mean 10 mil over to average of 5 per or 5 mil over 2 average of 2.5 per?

Sorry, meant 2 years 10 mill. I like McRoberts a lot. And that would give Zeller 2 more seasons to get it together.

I would be good with that. By then either Zeller is ready or we are looking to bring in a replacement young PF.

[fatlever]

Someone who is not lazy needs to break out some advanced stats and paint a picture of how valuable McB was last season.

Also, if Josh promised not to cut his hair in the offseason or all next season and to go with dreads, would that impact the amount you think he should be paid? Cause I think I'd be willing to commit $5M per year to see McB rock some dreads.

read back thru this thread. lamar has done that on numerous occasions. regardless, there are a handful of posters on this board who refuse to see him as anything more than a career journeyman, who is no better than as a random, end of the bench guy. they will point to his low rebounding numbers, his low points per game and the fact that we basically got him for free to plead their case and of course my favorite argument that he hurts kemba because he takes the ball out of kemba's hands. not sure why people would want to have a lineup with only one creater/ball handler.

[Elden Payton]

McBob is vital to the direction of our team, guys like this hold more value than what he will be paid.

Give him 2/8m at 4 per and it is great value.

[yosemiteben]

Went back through the beginning of this season and the fanciest I saw was taking about his assists + 3pt%.

I want someone to use fancy stats I don't understand and tell me what the advanced analytics say about McB's value to this team.

[biggd]

I hate guys that continually give up on defense because of a no foul call on the other end... Mcroberts is one of those guys.... Need a defensive stopper (was hoping Bis would get there but doesn't look like that will happen) next to big Al. Draft a shooter,sign a PF is my opinion

[mrknowitall215]

Taj Gibson via trade is the only 'rumored' possibility on the market for the Hornets that I'd wholeheartedly take as replacement to McRoberts' without any immediate hindsight. Otherwise, I'd like to see McRoberts return on a 3-year/$12 million deal. If push come to shove, and if the market completely dries up, then maybe a offer of 2-years/$10 million should be on the table. However, I'll reiterate that I wouldn't recommend paying McRoberts over $4 million annually. I doubt that McRoberts & his agent would want to sign a 2-year deal, and instead would opt for a longer term of security, so it'll be interesting to see how his free agency unfolds

I can't envision many if any teams outside of Charlotte making generous offers for McRoberts', so I'd expect Cho to use the same strategy that he used on Henderson last offseason, just he may be a little more sterner with the annual max. I think they could've lowballed Henderson a little more than $6 million last year, but they kind of gave him a loyalty incentive. I doubt they'd do the same thing with McRoberts this time around

[Eoghan]

You say that before you even know where that 3 years 15 million is reallocated.

Heh, it doesn't really matter where if Zeller is our starting PF.