2017 Lakers Draft Pick Discussion

[Camping Fan]

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

The rumor may have been smoke, screens and mirrors to keep the other teams off balance, but I will say this - I think Fultz, Ball or Fox would be great choices and in fact a few people have said they think Fox would be a better choice

[Dr Aki]

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

The rumor may have been smoke, screens and mirrors to keep the other teams off balance, but I will say this - I think Fultz, Ball or Fox would be great choices and in fact a few people have said they think Fox would be a better choice

with the way the modern NBA is trending, fox might not be anywhere as effective as he was in college. john wall comparisons be damned, i'm betting on the dude with the balls to shoot whenever, wherever

[karkinos]

Fox could be a better elf payton. Maybe a little Beverly in him too on the defensive potential.

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[howiezbt]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

[XXBKXX]

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

The rumor may have been smoke, screens and mirrors to keep the other teams off balance, but I will say this - I think Fultz, Ball or Fox would be great choices and in fact a few people have said they think Fox would be a better choice

I'm hoping that the Lakers aren't going into this draft with the mindset that they already got Paul George coming next year so they don't need to draft a wing player. It's shocking to me that there isn't much noise coming out of Lakers for Josh Jackson. The only workouts Lakers have scheduled so far for the #2 pick has been pgs : Zo, Fox dsj. Josh Jackson falling to 3 kind of shows how deep this draft is and how much teams value pgs now a days.

The Josh Jackson Wiggins comparisons are extremely fair imo. Having an explosive/athletic player like Wiggins is exactly who the Lakers need. JJ is that and more. He is a much better player than Wiggins was coming out of college. In fact, JJ statistically is far more superior than Wiggins. The knock on Wiggins coming out was if his shooting would go up and if he had the mental toughness to be the alpha star. One thing I personally love about JJ is his mental grit/toughness.

I found the below comparison between JJ and Wiggins stats from college that I found interesting. JJ beats Wiggins on almost every category and Wiggins was chosen number 1 in a draft class that was argued to be one of the deepest since Bron/Melo/Wade's class. (This class will probably pass wiggins)

With that said, I don't see why Lakers could afford passing on JJ. We need a number one scoring star. Imagine having JJ and Ingram on the wings at 2/3? We would be set for 15 years.
You just don't find that top echelon athleticism with the overall skillsets and promising offensive ability (38 prct 3pt shooting) very often. Tall elite wing players is what wins championships and what defines a promising young core or not.

JJ for the win!


Rebounding

Jackson Wiggins
7.4 RPG 5.9
8.7 ORB% 8.4
17.4 DRB% 12.3
13.3 TRB% 10.4

Jackson was a much better passer:

Jackson Wiggins
3.0 APG 1.5
18.2 AST% 9.2

Jackson was better at getting blocks and steals:

Jackson Wiggins
1.7 SPG 1.2
3.1 STL% 2.1
1.1 BPG 1.0
3.5 BLK% 3.1

Overall, Jackson was a more efficient scorer. Wiggins' only advantage came at the free throw line (hence the slight advantage in TS%):

Jackson Wiggins
16.3 PPG 17.1
.513 FG% .448
.378 3P% .341
.566 FT% .775
.552 eFG% .499
.559 TS% .563

JJ's advanced metrics are for the most part better than wiggins:

Jackson Wiggins
24.1 PER 21.4
2.7 OWS 3.2
2.2 DWS 1.7
4.9 WS 4.9
.180 WS40 .170
5.1 OBPM 5.45
.7 DBPM 3.0
10.7 BPM 8.5
110.7 ORtg 116.1
96 DRtg 102.8
14.7 Net Rating 13.3

JJ played on a vastly superior team, but they had similar workloads:

Jackson Wiggins
30.8 MPG 32.8
27.2 USG% 26.3
12.3 FGA 12.1
4.9 FTA 6.5



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[Dr Aki]

Fox could be a better elf payton. Maybe a little Beverly in him too on the defensive potential.

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would anyone compare fox with payton if they didn't share the hair?

[Princeinrevolt]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

We Have Literally NOOOO shooters on our team.

[XXBKXX]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

Who are all these shooters you speak of?

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[TylersLakers]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

We Have Literally NOOOO shooters on our team.

I think there's only a few of us that understand this.

[TylersLakers]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

Who are all these shooters you speak of?

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Nick Young!!!

--Birds chirping, cricket sounds-

Oh wait, he's opting out.

N/m.

[Princeinrevolt]

It all depends on fit. Obviously Ball fits but the Lakers have great shooters already. Maybe Fox breaking down the Defense will make it easier for them.

Also, Fox's defense is light years better than Balls which helps Russell.

We Have Literally NOOOO shooters on our team.

I think there's only a few of us that understand this.

It sure feels like it... And no one understands how important it is.

[Camping Fan]

[quote="karkinos"]Fox could be a better elf payton. Maybe a little Beverly in him too on the defensive potential.

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It's a huge jump from the college scene to the NBA for sure, but there are reasons why Fox is in the top three, so either one of those three is an unexpected bonus this year that the Lakers were not really expecting. I can see the Lakers making the playoffs next year without any trades or big signings. It's going to be fun to see this team grow up this year

[Michael Lucky]

I'm more and more convinced that Lonzo needs to be the pick here. People always talk about the depth of this draft, but the more i look at other players outside of Fultz and Ball, the less i'm impressed. It's too bad Monk isn't a couple inches taller.

[dockingsched]

I'm more and more convinced that Lonzo needs to be the pick here. People always talk about the depth of this draft, but the more i look at other players outside of Fultz and Ball, the less i'm impressed. It's too bad Monk isn't a couple inches taller.

The more and more I look the less and less I'm impressed by the entire class.

All of the guys in this class have serious issues / weaknesses that need to be addressed. Ball is the pick at two, but he has a lot of stuff to deal with that could easily prevent him from being more than a role player.

There's really no guarantees that you can comfortably pencil in as a future cornerstone.

[ak7]

Jackson is the pick. Ball is overrated, Fox has weaknesses offensively that may make it difficult to transition in today's game, Monk.. I like him, but he's a player you trade down for following an advantageous swap.

Jackson or dump Mozgov/Deng and trade down a few spots.

[Michael Lucky]

Jackson is the pick. Ball is overrated, Fox has weaknesses offensively that may make it difficult to transition in today's game, Monk.. I like him, but he's a player you trade down for following an advantageous swap.

Jackson or dump Mozgov/Deng and trade down a few spots.

you draft jackson and there's a good chance he gets little to no playing time this year. Don't see the Lakers sacrificing Ingrams minutes for Jackson. And no Jackson and Ingram aren't 2s.

[Slava]

I'm not as high on Ingram as most here but even I don't think Jackson is better. You draft Ball, move D'Lo to the two and let a proper PG turn D'Lo and Ingram into scorers.

[iamworthy]

I'm not as high on Ingram as most here but even I don't think Jackson is better. You draft Ball, move D'Lo to the two and let a proper PG turn D'Lo and Ingram into scorers.

But Ingram has long arms and legs....

[Michael Lucky]

I"m not super high on Ingram either (I like Russell better), but according to Magic "he's untouchable".

[iamworthy]

I"m not super high on Ingram either (I like Russell better), but according to Magic "he's untouchable".

I'm fine with Ingram..... BUT he needs to show me something this year.