NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[GeorgeSears]

Jokic most likely will need the #1 seed in the West to win it this year. But with that said, his game is so weird and hard to comprehend, its like a combo of Steve Nash and some elite big haha. 5 guys for the Nuggets took at least 12 shots, no one took more than 14 (just like those old Suns teams). But instead of averaging 18-19 points (like Nash), Jokic is out here averaging 25-27 points. And instead of dribbling the ball the entire possession, the ball never sticks in his hands. I bring up Nash because I dont recall watching someone orchestrate an offense to this level since Nash and those Suns. And again unlike guys like Luka and Harden who were the main guys for high power offenses. They did it while also putting up 20+ shots a game. Jokic is 3rd on his own team in FGAs per 100.

The guy is legit flirting with a 25ppg, 70 TS%, triple double. You cant do that and have your team in the #1 seed and not win the MVP.

He's not trying to get the MVP. His USG% is down from last season (31 to 28), as are his FGAs (17 to 15). That has a lot to do with having more help this season, but it's also just the nature of how he plays. He's always going to be in the MVP conversation.

I was reading a tweet about how Will Barton was the starting SF for the Nuggets last season and now he's getting DNP'd on the Wizards. Monte Morris is barely avg. 10 points on the Wizards, he was the starting PG for the Nuggets last season. They still won 48 games last season.

Anyways,

My top 3 for MVP so far into the season:

1. Luka
2. Tatum
3. Jokic

Durant, Giannis, Embiid are lurking.

[ItsDanger]

Tatum shot 7/16 vs the reigning MVP Jokic tonight. Jokic has shot below 50% from the field only once this season. The conversation is over.

[Exp0sed]

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

Embiid was on track last season too, at least as far as straw polls \ espn talking heads etc but it would have been an undeserved MVP

just because he was leading the race does not mean he should have been leading the race
Joker was much better in both seasons, indiviually anyway

[DaFan334]

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

Embiid was on track last season too, at least as far as straw polls \ espn talking heads etc but it would have been an undeserved MVP

just because he was leading the race does not mean he should have been leading the race
Joker was much better in both seasons, indiviually anyway

ESPN Talking Heads play up to the bigger market and are hard to take seriously.

[B-easy]

lol

[Peregrine01]

lol

Looks like a list sporting 5 players of a dominant team and one immense carry job.

[Exp0sed]

lol

Celtics must be on their way to 82-0, oh wait...

[ty 4191]

Jokic most likely will need the #1 seed in the West to win it this year. But with that said, his game is so weird and hard to comprehend, its like a combo of Steve Nash and some elite big haha. 5 guys for the Nuggets took at least 12 shots, no one took more than 14 (just like those old Suns teams). But instead of averaging 18-19 points (like Nash), Jokic is out here averaging 25-27 points. And instead of dribbling the ball the entire possession, the ball never sticks in his hands. I bring up Nash because I dont recall watching someone orchestrate an offense to this level since Nash and those Suns. And again unlike guys like Luka and Harden who were the main guys for high power offenses. They did it while also putting up 20+ shots a game. Jokic is 3rd on his own team in FGAs per 100.

The guy is legit flirting with a 25ppg, 70 TS%, triple double. You cant do that and have your team in the #1 seed and not win the MVP.

It's not hyperbole to now say that this guy may go down as the greatest offensive player of all time. Literally every lineup he plays in leads to the #1 offense in the league. It doesn't make any sense.

Definitely not hyperbole. He's one of the top few offensive players that ever lived.

[HoopsterJones]

Tatum shot 7/16 vs the reigning MVP Jokic tonight. Jokic has shot below 50% from the field only once this season. The conversation is over.

Jaylen Brown was better than Tatum tonight. Jaylen’s been playing near an all NBA level all season. Jokic, Luka, and Giannis do not have a running mate playing at that level.

[iggymcfrack]

He might, but that would involve the Nuggets getting their heads out of their asses. They have two massive contracts that are handicapping his chances. He might win one with another team.

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it could def be with another team although I think Jokis is pretty set about being a Nugget for life, it'll take some real incompetence or some other scandal to shake that, imo

the Mavs failed to build around Dirk for years but still he was good enough for one lucky (and incredible run)
Jokic is so good, he'll be in those spots with a puncher's and 1,2,3,4 tries he'll get one eventually

then what ur basically saying is, that because you won't believe that'll happen than a 3rd MVP will be the "biggest farce in NBA history?"

because it's quite likely and the people who would vote for him, also have eyes and know that a guy like Bird (a 3 time MVP) wouldn't have a ring with the casts Jokic played with for every single season in his career

it's really not that hard to see

Moses Malone in his 1983 'chip and MVP (another 3 time MVP winner) played with 32 year old Dr J, Mo Cheeks (and other productive players)

in fact Malone won in 83' and 82' after 81' where a slightly younger Dr J was...MVP

How about Magic, how many would he have had with Murray, Torrey craig, Will Barton and Garry Harris?

it's very easy for (almost) all to see

I can easily envision a chip for him. But at some point post season has to matter if you're getting a 3rd. And it can't be after the fact.

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If Jokic was choking in the postseason like Harden, you might have a point. He’s not though. He’s 4th all-time in postseason PER. Last season he had the 5th beat single postseason PER ever. He just didn’t win much in the playoffs the last couple years because his #2 and #3 guys were hurt. He didn’t disappoint. He just never had a chance. Now he’s getting just a little bit of help and leading his team to the 1 seed.

People didn’t vote him MVP last year because they expected him to knock off Steph and the Warriors without Murray and Porter. It’s because they were impressed he was even competitive without them. His postseason performance was perfectly in line with his regular season performance. If that happens again, he’s taking the Nuggets to the Finals. Your supposition is like saying Jordan shouldn’t have gotten the MVP in ‘91 when he finally led his team to the 1 seed because they didn’t make the Finals when they didn’t get the 1 seed.

[ty 4191]

Jokic, making a huge statement against the best team in the NBA tonight. Masterpiece level play.

[Alonzo_Morning]

Did Jokic make top 75 all time?

Nope, he didn't. But luckily Paul Arizin did

[Yuri36]

Jokic most likely will need the #1 seed in the West to win it this year. But with that said, his game is so weird and hard to comprehend, its like a combo of Steve Nash and some elite big haha. 5 guys for the Nuggets took at least 12 shots, no one took more than 14 (just like those old Suns teams). But instead of averaging 18-19 points (like Nash), Jokic is out here averaging 25-27 points. And instead of dribbling the ball the entire possession, the ball never sticks in his hands. I bring up Nash because I dont recall watching someone orchestrate an offense to this level since Nash and those Suns. And again unlike guys like Luka and Harden who were the main guys for high power offenses. They did it while also putting up 20+ shots a game. Jokic is 3rd on his own team in FGAs per 100.

The guy is legit flirting with a 25ppg, 70 TS%, triple double. You cant do that and have your team in the #1 seed and not win the MVP.

He's not trying to get the MVP. His USG% is down from last season (31 to 28), as are his FGAs (17 to 15). That has a lot to do with having more help this season, but it's also just the nature of how he plays. He's always going to be in the MVP conversation.

I was reading a tweet about how Will Barton was the starting SF for the Nuggets last season and now he's getting DNP'd on the Wizards. Monte Morris is barely avg. 10 points on the Wizards, he was the starting PG for the Nuggets last season. They still won 48 games last season.

Anyways,

My top 3 for MVP so far into the season:

1. Luka
2. Tatum
3. Jokic

Durant, Giannis, Embiid are lurking.

Lol how can you still have Tatum that close to Joker and Luka?
Rather than being a statement game for Joker, this game has rather definitely putted Tatum in his true place which is to be behind the likes of Luka or Joker.

[Yuri36]

lol

Celtics must be on their way to 82-0, oh wait...

They have a terrible bench, that's why they have already 11 losses.

[Infinite Llamas]

Did Jokic make top 75 all time?

Nope, he didn't. But luckily Paul Arizin did

The league should have been preventive and found a way to get Luka and Jokic on somehow. Sad that they won’t get their due on the all time team until they are 50 years old when the list expands to 100 players. Anyone with eyes could see the trajectory these two are on. Also kind of sad to think how many of these legends will be gone by 2046.

[Ballerhogger]

Man Jokic spanked Boston .

[Pinpilinpauxa]

I think its clear that Luka Jokic and Giannis are on a level above everyone ( Curry is injured).

Im a big fan of Lukas but Jokics eficiency and play making are out of this world and this is going to be a two man race if Giannis doesnt improve his level (as he has done lately)

[eyeatoma]

Unfortunately, I've been here long enough to see you spam and try to ruin the last 3 years' worth of MVP threads with literally hundreds of totally vapid, zero insight, regressive, 100% agenda-driven drivel about Joel Embiid.

You were dead wrong about Jokic the last two years and you'll be wrong again this year.

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

Yup exactly, this.

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[eyeatoma]

Ok buddy. You do you.

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Embiid was on track to win the MVP in March of the 2020-21 season, but got hurt and Jokic won it. They'd each have one at this point had Embiid not went out with his injury.

Embiid was on track last season too, at least as far as straw polls \ espn talking heads etc but it would have been an undeserved MVP

just because he was leading the race does not mean he should have been leading the race
Joker was much better in both seasons, indiviually anyway

That was Zach Lowe throwing a hissy fit and two nationally televised losses flipping the script.

If there was ever an MVP that was heavily influenced by the media, it was that one.

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[DCasey91]

Shoots like Dirk, distributes like Bird, too sweet inside like McHale, bigger than Gasol? Looks like it, best hands since I don’t even know.

Jokic is absurd.