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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#681 » by TimberKat » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:38 am

Threezus wrote:Also as far as the 3 big contracts i don't think it would be a issue for the Wolves having 3 big contracts if 2 of them weren't for the same position and didn't really mesh well with each other. It would sorta be like us pairing Towns with Capela i don't see that working out to well. Which is why Capela has to go in any trade we do for a player like Kat. Plus yall gave good money to another 3rd big thats making solid money as well now who is a good player in Naz. If Rudy was on a different team and yall had a different position player making that same amount of money i don't think yall would have a issue at all paying 3 big contracts.

Interesting, from the highlights, he looks like a better version of Vanderbilt. If you trade for Towns, that is the guy you want to keep. I actually think Capela/Towns is a good combo also. Is JJ or Bey ever going to be an all star? Murray + ( JJ or Bogdanovic) for Towns is more interesting to me.

Also, Twolves doesn't need cap relieve as much as people think. Maybe Hawks should contact Suns for KD's availability first, they are in more cap + picks trouble than Wolves. I also don't see KD working with Ayton. Ayton has no trade value, so they need to trade KD before his value drops next year. :D
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#682 » by Threezus » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:20 am

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Threezus wrote:Also as far as the 3 big contracts i don't think it would be a issue for the Wolves having 3 big contracts if 2 of them weren't for the same position and didn't really mesh well with each other. It would sorta be like us pairing Towns with Capela i don't see that working out to well. Which is why Capela has to go in any trade we do for a player like Kat. Plus yall gave good money to another 3rd big thats making solid money as well now who is a good player in Naz. If Rudy was on a different team and yall had a different position player making that same amount of money i don't think yall would have a issue at all paying 3 big contracts.

Interesting, from the highlights, he looks like a better version of Vanderbilt. If you trade for Towns, that is the guy you want to keep. I actually think Capela/Towns is a good combo also. Is JJ or Bey ever going to be an all star? Murray + ( JJ or Bogdanovic) for Towns is more interesting to me.

Also, Twolves doesn't need cap relieve as much as people think. Maybe Hawks should contact Suns for KD's availability first, they are in more cap + picks trouble than Wolves. I also don't see KD working with Ayton. Ayton has no trade value, so they need to trade KD before his value drops next year. :D


To me Capela and Kat would have the same issues as Rudy and Kat. Without Rudy or Capela being able to stretch the floor at all you kill pretty much half of KATs effectiveness and do exactly what was done to John Collins. You literally force him to be a spot up shooter and hang out at the 3 point line most the time.

Onyeka has a much better shot than capela or Rudy away from the basket and can usually hit from distance at a ok clip. He is even stretching it out to the 3 point line and doing ok out there at times. Then you add in that OO is a very good defensive player and does better than most against a guy like Giannis and he is extremely valuable for us to put next to a guy like KAT. Atleast with OO he can pull ppl away from the basket as well for KAT to work inside when he needs to to unleash his complete game.

As for Jalen johnson i never thought about the Vanderbilt comparison but i could see it i think. I always put him in the Josh Smith / Aaron Gordon type of mold. With upside good athleticism for his size and sneaky good handles and passing ability for a big.

Bey im much more willing to move on from thats no problem for me i would let go of Capela and bey in a package all day long if anyone wanted them to help get a much better player back. JJ i have more confidence in being a all star quality player in the end than bey would be if i was betting on upside. Bogi and Hunter im not against moving in trades as well i don't hate them as players but i don't love them either. AJ, JJ, OO, and a new guy named Mohammad Gueye we just drafted are the guys i really want to hold on to if possible in trades.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#683 » by Mattya » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:30 am

Wasn’t hawkssquak posting a bunch of rumors that never came true last year as well?

That’s just an awful offer so I have that source as firmly in the bogus pile right now,
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Post#684 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:56 pm

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#685 » by Battletrigger » Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:54 am

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Post#686 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:56 pm

It’s interesting listening to The Athletic’s NBA Show looking at the West. Of course, they annoyingly gloss over the Timberwolves and stay at a very elementary level of analysis. (“There’s ways to make it work. Will it? Probably not.”)

However, what really caught my attention is how they talked about Sacramento and even Memphis. They basically said that Sacramento made a mistake by essentially running it back, and that Memphis has had a rough few years of moves as well. I find it interesting because that’s exactly what people were saying Minnesota should’ve done last season.

I don’t gamble, but I’m so tempted to hammer the over on the 42.5 win total that’s out there right now. It feels like easy money, but the only thing holding me back is the fact that we are still talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#687 » by Slim Tubby » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:36 pm

Klomp wrote:It’s interesting listening to The Athletic’s NBA Show looking at the West. Of course, they annoyingly gloss over the Timberwolves and stay at a very elementary level of analysis. (“There’s ways to make it work. Will it? Probably not.”)

However, what really caught my attention is how they talked about Sacramento and even Memphis. They basically said that Sacramento made a mistake by essentially running it back, and that Memphis has had a rough few years of moves as well. I find it interesting because that’s exactly what people were saying Minnesota should’ve done last season.

I don’t gamble, but I’m so tempted to hammer the over on the 42.5 win total that’s out there right now. It feels like easy money, but the only thing holding me back is the fact that we are still talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves.


I think anything short of 50 wins would be a major disappointment. With the unpredictability of injuries and crazy depth of the WC, beating up on the East and teams below .500 will be mandatory.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#688 » by TimberKat » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:00 pm

42.5 wins for Wolves? That is way too low. On the other hand, Vegas odds (which is mostly crowd opinion) is right most of the time. The west is very competitive but we should start over and trade everyone if we end up winning only 42 games.
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Post#689 » by wolves_89 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:44 pm

I'm curious to see who ends up signing for the last two-way deal for the Wolves. I'm hoping for a PG and it seems like Minnesota should be a really attractive option. Between Conley turning 36 and McLaughlin being a fringy rotation player (coming off a terrible season) there are very real opportunities for a PG to get NBA minutes.
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Post#690 » by Macwolf527 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:33 pm

wolves_89 wrote:I'm curious to see who ends up signing for the last two-way deal for the Wolves. I'm hoping for a PG and it seems like Minnesota should be a really attractive option. Between Conley turning 36 and McLaughlin being a fringy rotation player (coming off a terrible season) there are very real opportunities for a PG to get NBA minutes.


Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury. But, having played basketball through college and having sustained a calf injury playing the off-season in the Pro-Am when it used to be at Macalester College (that's the extent to which I will date myself). I can honestly tell you, it's not an injury you come back 100% in that season. You literally have no use of your legs until the injury is 75-80% healed. The amount of muscle and flexibility you lose in your lower extremities is extensive. You need 3-4 months after healing to return to any resemblance of your previous form.

Having said all of that, I expect both McLaughlin and KAT to have very big years. They're confidence was high before the injuries, and they are hungry for hoops. Any true basketball player would be after missing that amount of time and watching your teammates battle. Let's dismiss the trade KAT talk, we may very well witness an MVP season up close from him. For the first time in a very long time, he has talent and experience around him. People who genuinely like him and he likes.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#691 » by Note30 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:00 pm

TimberKat wrote:42.5 wins for Wolves? That is way too low. On the other hand, Vegas odds (which is mostly crowd opinion) is right most of the time. The west is very competitive but we should start over and trade everyone if we end up winning only 42 games.



If we only win 42 games that will be super embarrassing.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#692 » by wolves_89 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:24 pm

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wolves_89 wrote:I'm curious to see who ends up signing for the last two-way deal for the Wolves. I'm hoping for a PG and it seems like Minnesota should be a really attractive option. Between Conley turning 36 and McLaughlin being a fringy rotation player (coming off a terrible season) there are very real opportunities for a PG to get NBA minutes.


Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury. But, having played basketball through college and having sustained a calf injury playing the off-season in the Pro-Am when it used to be at Macalester College (that's the extent to which I will date myself). I can honestly tell you, it's not an injury you come back 100% in that season. You literally have no use of your legs until the injury is 75-80% healed. The amount of muscle and flexibility you lose in your lower extremities is extensive. You need 3-4 months after healing to return to any resemblance of your previous form.

Having said all of that, I expect both McLaughlin and KAT to have very big years. They're confidence was high before the injuries, and they are hungry for hoops. Any true basketball player would be after missing that amount of time and watching your teammates battle. Let's dismiss the trade KAT talk, we may very well witness an MVP season up close from him. For the first time in a very long time, he has talent and experience around him. People who genuinely like him and he likes.


You have considerably more confidence in McLaughlin than I do. Teams have figured out that he can't shoot, which makes him virtually unplayable on offense. Add in that he's extremely limited on the defensive end, and I suspect he's going to have a hard time getting on the court.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#693 » by Klomp » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:31 am

wolves_89 wrote:You have considerably more confidence in McLaughlin than I do. Teams have figured out that he can't shoot, which makes him virtually unplayable on offense. Add in that he's extremely limited on the defensive end, and I suspect he's going to have a hard time getting on the court.

It's interesting that he's been a progressively worse shooter every year

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#694 » by twolves31 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:36 pm

[Smith] I talked to two different teams this morning and both independently mentioned that they are monitoring the Thunder and what happens with the roster. One exec told me "Some good players are going to get cut from OKC and we all need to be ready to jump when that happens."

Some good young players might become free agents soon worth taking a look at if they are released. Guys like Isaiah Joe, Tre Mann, Aaron Wiggins, Kenrich Williams, Ty, Ty, etc.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#695 » by thinktank » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:22 pm

wolves_89 wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:I'm curious to see who ends up signing for the last two-way deal for the Wolves. I'm hoping for a PG and it seems like Minnesota should be a really attractive option. Between Conley turning 36 and McLaughlin being a fringy rotation player (coming off a terrible season) there are very real opportunities for a PG to get NBA minutes.


Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury. But, having played basketball through college and having sustained a calf injury playing the off-season in the Pro-Am when it used to be at Macalester College (that's the extent to which I will date myself). I can honestly tell you, it's not an injury you come back 100% in that season. You literally have no use of your legs until the injury is 75-80% healed. The amount of muscle and flexibility you lose in your lower extremities is extensive. You need 3-4 months after healing to return to any resemblance of your previous form.

Having said all of that, I expect both McLaughlin and KAT to have very big years. They're confidence was high before the injuries, and they are hungry for hoops. Any true basketball player would be after missing that amount of time and watching your teammates battle. Let's dismiss the trade KAT talk, we may very well witness an MVP season up close from him. For the first time in a very long time, he has talent and experience around him. People who genuinely like him and he likes.


You have considerably more confidence in McLaughlin than I do. Teams have figured out that he can't shoot, which makes him virtually unplayable on offense. Add in that he's extremely limited on the defensive end, and I suspect he's going to have a hard time getting on the court.


Same here. I was confused about the first sentence there.

“ Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury.”

Nobody was more disappointed than who?

He’s not a needle mover, in my book. I really don’t put much stock in short, yet productive stints, against mostly bench lineups. Too noisy.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#696 » by Klomp » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:58 pm

thinktank wrote:Same here. I was confused about the first sentence there.

“ Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury.”

Nobody was more disappointed than who?

He’s not a needle mover, in my book. I really don’t put much stock in short, yet productive stints, against mostly bench lineups. Too noisy.

It's not that hard to figure out he's talking about himself. “Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury (than I was).”
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#697 » by thinktank » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:57 pm

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thinktank wrote:Same here. I was confused about the first sentence there.

“ Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury.”

Nobody was more disappointed than who?

He’s not a needle mover, in my book. I really don’t put much stock in short, yet productive stints, against mostly bench lineups. Too noisy.

It's not that hard to figure out he's talking about himself. “Nobody was more disappointed in how McLaughlin played after returning from the calf injury (than I was).”


I bet McLaughlin was more disappointed.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#698 » by The Lamma » Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:49 pm

Is anyone here going to miss Nate Knight? I'm thinking this is a nothing signing, but admit I've never heard of him until today. His highlights video is mostly dunks. His per 36 numbers look decent. Thanks in advance, and good luck this year
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#699 » by Baseline81 » Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:17 pm

The Lamma wrote:Is anyone here going to miss Nate Knight? I'm thinking this is a nothing signing, but admit I've never heard of him until today. His highlights video is mostly dunks. His per 36 numbers look decent. Thanks in advance, and good luck this year

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Post#700 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:21 pm

The Lamma wrote:Is anyone here going to miss Nate Knight? I'm thinking this is a nothing signing, but admit I've never heard of him until today. His highlights video is mostly dunks. His per 36 numbers look decent. Thanks in advance, and good luck this year

Think of him more like a Theo Pinson
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