Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[BlackKnight]

I'm a little surprised at the disappointment by some in this trade. I guess the false news reports bumped up ridiculous expectations. No realistic 76er fan thought Thad Young could get mid-1st round pick 2 months ago. Now somehow a mid-1st not enough?

I agree. We were clamoring for a late 1st rounder a few months ago for Thad so I'm satisfied that we're getting a mid-late 1st rounder. This wasn't a Pelicans/Magic type of trade where we committed highway robbery, but I think this was sufficient value for both sides, especially considering Thad is an expiring for us.

But if last season's tank was brutal, I wonder how bad this upcoming season is gonna be...

Part of my disappointment is just in comparison to what I thought we were going to be getting in Bennett. IF the pick ends up in the teens then it is a good return for Thad given the circumstances.

I guess that I have to remind myself that Lebron is no longer on the Heat so they should struggle to win more than 45 games or so.

With Miami winning only 54 games last season, I could definitely see them only winning around 45 games this upcoming season. They'll have a worse record than anyone in the West and I see the Wizards taking that division so that makes their best case scenario as 5th seed in the East, giving us the 18th pick. Depending on how many games Wade takes off for rest/injury, I could see the pick falling in the 14-17 range.

[51X3RF4N]

It really comes down to a few things here.

1) Do you think Joel Embiid can be a top 3 C in the league in 5 years?

2) Do you think Noel can fit well next to Embiid and form a ridiculously talented duo?

3) Are you confident in MCW as your PG on a championship level team in 3-5 years?

The answers to these 3 questions will help determine your level of patience with this team, as well as your vision for the future lineup.

I personally feel that Embiid is the only untouchable on the roster. IMO everyone else could be traded in the right deal. I also personally feel that you win championships in today's NBA with at least 2 superstar players. If Embiid becomes one of those, then the search is on for the 2nd. If that player isn't on the roster right now, then chances are the Sixers will need to acquire him one way or another. Having lots of money available, as well as lots of draft picks and young players (assets), gives the Sixers the best chance at finding that 2nd superstar.

[guest81]

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

Salary Floor doesn't matter.

why?

[snoopdogg88]

so are the Sixers going to have the most salary cap space in the history of the NBA after this season?


i'm really thinking the plan is to try and max Klay Thompson next offseason.
Durant is a pipedream

[MRxBLACK]

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

Salary Floor doesn't matter.

why?

You make up the amount you're under the floor by paying your own players extra. That's the only "penalty".

[guest81]

so are the Sixers going to have the most salary cap space in the history of the NBA after this season?


i'm really thinking the plan is to try and max Klay Thompson next offseason.
Durant is a pipedream

Klay could probably get the max from a lot of other teams that are better then the 76ers, including the Warriors. Ditto with Durant

[guest81]

Salary Floor doesn't matter.

why?

You make up the amount you're under the floor by paying your own players extra. That's the only "penalty".

Whats the point of that? What FA is going to want to sign onto that kind of situation?

[MRxBLACK]

Whats the point of that? What FA is going to want to sign onto that kind of situation?

They're not. But it doesn't matter.

[LloydFree]

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

At the trade deadline they take Amare Soudemire off the Knicks hands in exchange for Cleanthony Early... And if not, so what.

[HartfordWhalers]

why?

You make up the amount you're under the floor by paying your own players extra. That's the only "penalty".

Whats the point of that? What FA is going to want to sign onto that kind of situation?

One looking for a big opportunity? And possibly extra money?

[sixers hoops]

kind of meh on the trade.

would have really loved to get a young player with some potential.
like a Bennett or Porter type where there's still some hope.

Shved and Mbah pretty much are what they are, roster fillers.
The first round pick is the key. Will be watching the Heat intently this season.

Yeah. Thad wanted out of here and wasn't going to re-sign. There's a good chance Hinkie had little interest in the rumored prospects. He passed on GRIII twice in the second round. Shabazz doesn't really fit the Hinkie profile. And he may not have liked Bennett, or just couldn't get him for Thad.

Come June, I will be glad we have the extra first since Thad would have been leaving anyway.

[guest81]

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

At the trade deadline they take Amare Soudemire off the Knicks hands in exchange for Cleanthony Early... And if not, so what.

why wouldn't the knicks just hold onto amare for the rest of the season and have the space and early?

[HartfordWhalers]

How in the world does the Sixers get above the salary cap floor?

At the trade deadline they take Amare Soudemire off the Knicks hands in exchange for Cleanthony Early... And if not, so what.

why wouldn't the knicks just hold onto amare for the rest of the season and have the space and early?

30m(?) of tax. Ability to get a player in a S&T. But really, 30m would do it. Or 40m

[guest81]

You make up the amount you're under the floor by paying your own players extra. That's the only "penalty".

Whats the point of that? What FA is going to want to sign onto that kind of situation?

One looking for a big opportunity? And possibly extra money?

Well it's doubtful the 76ers could get a RFA, because if they are a superstar level talent, the team will just match anyway.

If were talking about the superstar level players who would be UFA, like Durant, LMA, Curry, whatever, why would they sign with the 76ers when a multitude of other teams would be able to offer them the same max deal, but with a much better winning culture situation?

So that's just left with the borderline all star players who get overpaid like Parsons,Hayward, ect. When everybody pretty much agrees they were overpays, is probably the players the 76ers will have to get. With that being said, I don't think you have to open as much space as the 76ers have in order to get to that result.

[guest81]

At the trade deadline they take Amare Soudemire off the Knicks hands in exchange for Cleanthony Early... And if not, so what.

why wouldn't the knicks just hold onto amare for the rest of the season and have the space and early?

30m(?) of tax. Ability to get a player in a S&T. But really, 30m would do it. Or 40m

They would have that cap space if they held onto him for half a season more. They couldn't use that space until the offseason anyway. Makes no sense to get the space early and get rid of early

[76ciology]

FWIW, I think Luc and Shved will be dealt for 2nd rounders. Then these 2nd rounders can either materialize or be used to move up the Heat pick. Who knows? Maybe the Heat pick or the 2nd rounders would help Hinkie get a guy he wants in the 2015 draft.

Anyway for our depth chart, I do see Thompson and Jerami playing stretch fours in some stretches.

I think we'd start with:
SF: Hollis
PF: Noel
C: Sims
Just like Anthony Davis or Ibaka, I think Noel would be best playing alongside a banger who would allow him to roam around and be that weakside shotblocker. Offensively, I think both Noel and Sims would provide lavoy allen like mid range shooting but yeah, we'd have to settle for that in the meantime.

Then we'd have..
SF: Elliot Williams or McRae/Luc
PF: Hollis Thompson/Jerami Grant
C: Varnardo
that's off the bench. Both Grant and Thompson's ability to knock down shots (Grant has a shaky by improving perimeter shooting), would help space out the floor for Varnardo's liability on offense but a guy who can anchor the interior defense.

In the end, I don't see that much playing time for both Shved and Luc Mbah. I think Elliot Williams will get more playing time than Luc Mbah and Casper Ware or McRae should get more playing time than Shved.

I also think a contender could be interested in Luc Mbah's defense, just like the Wolves. And they could also be interested in Shved's basketball IQ and perimeter shooting on offense. I see both guys getting traded by the deadline.

[sixers hoops]

why wouldn't the knicks just hold onto amare for the rest of the season and have the space and early?

30m(?) of tax. Ability to get a player in a S&T. But really, 30m would do it. Or 40m

They would have that cap space if they held onto him for half a season more. They couldn't use that space until the offseason anyway. Makes no sense to get the space early and get rid of early

I think they would do it to get under the luxury tax.

[HartfordWhalers]

why wouldn't the knicks just hold onto amare for the rest of the season and have the space and early?

30m(?) of tax. Ability to get a player in a S&T. But really, 30m would do it. Or 40m

They would have that cap space if they held onto him for half a season more. They couldn't use that space until the offseason anyway. Makes no sense to get the space early and get rid of early

I feel like you are clinging to your opinion so hard, you are not reading what anyone else is writing. So lets try this again.

If the Knicks trade Amare for nothing, they save 30-40m in real dollars. Money they would have had to spend (salary and end of year tax). Maybe its more like 50m.

So, unless the argument is that a Cleanthony is worth that much money, the reason is obvious. Heck, as said it even allows them to do a sign and trade next year, which otherwise they cannot.

[guest81]

30m(?) of tax. Ability to get a player in a S&T. But really, 30m would do it. Or 40m

They would have that cap space if they held onto him for half a season more. They couldn't use that space until the offseason anyway. Makes no sense to get the space early and get rid of early

I feel like you are clinging to your opinion so hard, you are not reading what anyone else is writing. So lets try this again.

If the Knicks trade Amare for nothing, they save 30-40m in real dollars. Money they would have had to spend (salary and end of year tax). Maybe its more like 50m.

So, unless the argument is that a Cleanthony is worth that much money, the reason is obvious. Heck, as said it even allows them to do a sign and trade next year, which otherwise they cannot.

Amare makes 23 million dollars next year. After next year, they have that 23 million in cap space because he is no longer on the books. If they traded him for nothing at the deadline and got that 23 million, they still couldn't use that money to sign somebody worth it until the offseason. So why not just wait until the offseason, and keep Early?

[Jumpoff12]

I don't see why anyone should be disappointed. We got a mid-1st for Thad who wasn't going to resign. Anyone who truly thought we were going to get Bennett + a 1st is a grade A moron.