2010 NBA Draft Measurements

#1 pick · Post #81 » by **#1 pick** » Sun May 23, 2010 5:41 pm

Draft Master J wrote:Any possibility Cole Aldrich is a PF in the NBA?

He's 6'10", 236 lb. -- that's PF size.

It's nothing to gain 15 pounds with professional training. KU isn't the best at putting players in the best condition physically. They aren't Georgia Tech or Duke when it comes to conditioning.

TAI8 · Post #82 » by **TAI8** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:29 pm

Derrick Favors is going to be a big time bust...you heard it here first. Anyone who passes up on Cousins is going to regret it big time...screw attitude/character, can't teach size/natural talent.

#1 pick · Post #83 » by **#1 pick** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:43 pm

wone wrote:Derrick Favors is going to be a big time bust...you heard it here first. Anyone who passes up on Cousins is going to regret it big time...screw attitude/character, can't teach size/natural talent.

Your proof?

_BBIB_ · Post #84 » by **_BBIB_** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:07 pm

HtownPA wrote:He was 270 lbs while playing, and gained 22 lbs since he stopped. It's 22 lbs instead of 30 lbs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=45882

But how do we know for argument sake that he was 270 while playing? Do they get on a scale after every game?

And again it's not as fat as some of you are making him out to be because of his body type. There are some NFL players who are pushing 300 pounds who are 4-5 inches shorter than Cousins and they do not look fat, they look ripped.

Cousins is not built wiry strong like most NBA players. He's built like a tank. Also he's essentially 6'11 with the wingspan of a 7 footer.

And again does this guy in photo look like the Pilsbury Dough Boy? He doesn't even look like Big Baby.

It sounds like people are reaching for reasons to knock this kid since they can't knock his production or potential. A guy who easily has the best combination of those two in the draft.

HtownPA · Post #85 » by **HtownPA** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:16 pm

wone wrote:Derrick Favors is going to be a big time bust...you heard it here first. Anyone who passes up on Cousins is going to regret it big time...screw attitude/character, can't teach size/natural talent.

Size isn't always better. Remember the big debate between Oden and Durant. Everybody was saying "You can't teach size" and Portland drafted Oden.

The same thing was said about Eddy Curry over Joe Johnson, when the Bulls drafted.

Size loses, and loses often, if there is no work ethic. Draft history is littered with big men with raw talent and bad attitudes.

Post #86 » by **gswhoops** » Sun May 23, 2010 10:29 pm

wone wrote:Derrick Favors is going to be a big time bust...you heard it here first. Anyone who passes up on Cousins is going to regret it big time...screw attitude/character, can't teach size/natural talent.

Eddy Curry, Derrick Coleman, Benoit Benjamin say hello

Post #87 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 24, 2010 10:30 pm

Does anyone know if they measure standing reach in shoes or barefooted?

EddieJonesFan · Post #88 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Mon May 24, 2010 10:56 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:Does anyone know if they measure standing reach in shoes or barefooted?

I would imagine that they do it in shoes since they use it in the vertical leaps, which are done in their shoes.

Post #89 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 24, 2010 11:10 pm

True.

That's kinda lame then, the standing reach is IMO, the most important measurement, and some guys are having theirs buoyed by more than 2 inches.

princeofpalace · Post #90 » by **princeofpalace** » Mon May 24, 2010 11:24 pm

^
I just subtract an inch from Aldrichs measurements since its doubtful he will rock his 2.5 inch shoes in the NBA

mid-post · Post #91 » by **mid-post** » Mon May 24, 2010 11:27 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:True.

That's kinda lame then, the standing reach is IMO, the most important measurement, and some guys are having theirs buoyed by more than 2 inches.

Yeah, that's a really good point. There are a number of problems with the way some data are collected at the pre-draft combine, this being one of them.

You can take an inch off of Aldrich's standing reach number (2.5 inch soles...really?).
Pittman should probably lose half an inch (2 inch soles).

edit:
And when are the vertical, agility, etc. numbers coming out anyway?

HtownPA · Post #92 » by **HtownPA** » Sun May 30, 2010 8:53 pm

_BBIB_ wrote:And again does this guy in photo look like the Pilsbury Dough Boy? He doesn't even look like Big Baby.

It sounds like people are reaching for reasons to knock this kid since they can't knock his production or potential. A guy who easily has the best combination of those two in the draft.

Yes, he does.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commenta ... son/100529

princeofpalace · Post #93 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:07 pm

^
That is the 2nd pic from the combine that had Cousins looking overweight. I wish there were more pictures to look at though.

_BBIB_ · Post #94 » by **_BBIB_** » Mon May 31, 2010 12:29 am

HtownPA wrote:
_BBIB_ wrote:And again does this guy in photo look like the Pilsbury Dough Boy? He doesn't even look like Big Baby.

It sounds like people are reaching for reasons to knock this kid since they can't knock his production or potential. A guy who easily has the best combination of those two in the draft.

Yes, he does.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commenta ... son/100529

Sorry still not as big as Big Baby who is still agile at his size

HtownPA · Post #95 » by **HtownPA** » Mon May 31, 2010 12:54 am

Mike Sweetney used to be great in college also, but he got lazy and fat in the NBA. He was always injured. Cousins has clearly gained alot of weight in 2 months. If he keeps it up, he will be constantly injured too.

Cousins isn't going to be able to play 82 games. He's not playing a 40 games against college boys anymore. He needs to stay in peak physical condition. There's a difference between being 300 lbs at 16.4% bodyfat and being 300 lbs at 12% or less. He will be playing 30+ minutes a game not 17 minutes like Big Baby.

By the end of the season, he will have at least one serious injury that will cause him to miss several games. He is Greg Oden with more offense and more injuries. Bust.

Hard work beats talent, when talent fails to work hard. Lottery history is littered with picks that failed to deliver. There have been many lottery picks with amazing talent, but failed to do anything with the talent, after college.

princeofpalace · Post #96 » by **princeofpalace** » Mon May 31, 2010 1:18 am

^
I wouldnt say that.

I think the weight + him being a mediocre athlete will prevent him from being dominant. He was very productive in college but I dont expect that type of dominance to continue in the NBA. I think he could still be a very good player, someone like Zach Randolph- who is overweight and a mediocre athlete still gets his points and rebounds. I think Cousins could be the same. If he was skinnier, had more muscle instead of fat and was a better athlete he could be dominant. Thats one of the reason that Favors is held in greater esteem because Favors has the size, weight + athleticism to be dominant.

HtownPA · Post #97 » by **HtownPA** » Mon May 31, 2010 1:28 am

princeofpalace wrote:^
I wouldnt say that.

I think the weight + him being a mediocre athlete will prevent him from being dominant. He was very productive in college but I dont expect that type of dominance to continue in the NBA. I think he could still be a very good player, someone like Zach Randolph- who is overweight and a mediocre athlete still gets his points and rebounds. I think Cousins could be the same. If he was skinnier, had more muscle instead of fat and was a better athlete he could be dominant. Thats one of the reason that Favors is held in greater esteem because Favors has the size, weight + athleticism to be dominant.

Centers take much more abuse than PFs. That's why Garnett and Duncan like playing PF and not center. 7 fters at 300+ lbs put much more force on tendons, ligaments, bones of the feet and legs than 6'9" 280 lb players. Weight-bearing exercises and conditioning will increase bone density and strengthen the tendons and ligaments. The guy was so lazy, he couldn't even maintain his conditioning from 2 months ago. That's a red flag and cause for concern for somebody that already has a reputation of being lazy.

_BBIB_ · Post #98 » by **_BBIB_** » Mon May 31, 2010 4:10 am

HtownPA wrote:Mike Sweetney used to be great in college also, but he got lazy and fat in the NBA. He was always injured. Cousins has clearly gained alot of weight in 2 months. If he keeps it up, he will be constantly injured too.

Cousins isn't going to be able to play 82 games. He's not playing a 40 games against college boys anymore. He needs to stay in peak physical condition. There's a difference between being 300 lbs at 16.4% bodyfat and being 300 lbs at 12% or less. He will be playing 30+ minutes a game not 17 minutes like Big Baby.

By the end of the season, he will have at least one serious injury that will cause him to miss several games. He is Greg Oden with more offense and more injuries. Bust.

Hard work beats talent, when talent fails to work hard. Lottery history is littered with picks that failed to deliver. There have been many lottery picks with amazing talent, but failed to do anything with the talent, after college.

Ok now at least we know how you feel about the guy lol

emunney · Post #99 » by **emunney** » Mon May 31, 2010 4:05 pm

I doubt if Cousins will be playing 30mpg. Fouls and conditioning will both be issues. He'll put up numbers when he plays, though.

Post #100 » by **Slartibartfast** » Mon May 31, 2010 6:36 pm

HtownPA wrote:Mike Sweetney used to be great in college also, but he got lazy and fat in the NBA. He was always injured. Cousins has clearly gained alot of weight in 2 months. If he keeps it up, he will be constantly injured too.

Cousins isn't going to be able to play 82 games. He's not playing a 40 games against college boys anymore. He needs to stay in peak physical condition. There's a difference between being 300 lbs at 16.4% bodyfat and being 300 lbs at 12% or less. He will be playing 30+ minutes a game not 17 minutes like Big Baby.

By the end of the season, he will have at least one serious injury that will cause him to miss several games. He is Greg Oden with more offense and more injuries. Bust.

Hard work beats talent, when talent fails to work hard. Lottery history is littered with picks that failed to deliver. There have been many lottery picks with amazing talent, but failed to do anything with the talent, after college.

Sweetney was about 6'8 with a 7' wingspan. Cousins is about 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan. Even fat, that size with those skills is a very potent combination.

The Oden comparison makes no sense. Oden's injuries have nothing to do with weight or work ethic. When Oden is healthy, he's one of the most dominant defensive presences n the game.

Eddy Curry is the more legitimate downside, but that's not all that probable. Curry's always been a poor rebounder and defender. Cousins is a monster rebounder and an excellent shot-intimidator.