Magic Exercising 20-21 Option on Fultz

[shakes0]

I'm not sure I've ever wanted a guy to success more than Fultz with all the countless garbage hate he's gotten for no reason.

There are reasons and they've been stated on Realgm numerous times. He was the #1 pick and with that comes big expectations. Had he fulfilled them the Sixers would look a lot different now (which also would change things in the East).

But he didn't and the answers we got (the fans) are questionable at best. The Magic obviously believe in him so we'll see how he does going forward.

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

[dhsilv2]

Not even in the same ballpark from a comparison standpoint. Two completely different situations.

Two guys with health issues that kept them off the floor far longer than anyone expected and were both being called busts, never would play...etc etc etc

That's about where the comparison ends. Sure there were some calling Embiid a bust, but that was primarily a result of his lack of playing. Those people were simply wrong. I'm not sure how you can legitimately label a player bust who was a top pick despite well known injuries and have not yet played a in the NBA. Embiid was a far better prospect coming out of college. Embiid also dominated at both level, albeit on a limited number of games in the NBA. Fultz didn't dominate at either level. There are several teams that would've lined up to sign Embiid had the 6ers not offer him a contract; there would be no such scenario in the case of Fultz. The type of injuries are also completely different. I'm not even sure anyone know much about Fultz's injury. The differences between the two are nearly endless.

Embiid to the same point in his career had never been on the floor. There were questions if he could ever play or if he'd ever live up to any of his hype. Embiid's injuries were just as scary if not more so. Big men with leg and foot problems...guys who's injuries become worse due to complications during healing. Those were also legit career ending concerns at the time. Now with Fultz we know less...but the default position when one is ignorant shouldn't be to assume the worst or to speculate wildly. We have fans coming with with conspiracy theories that he's just planning to milk this for the money and stop trying despite nobody on the 76ers or magic ever claiming that Fultz was lazy or not taking this process seriously.

Both guys were projected as the first overall pick. Embiid dropped due to injury concerns. Fultz was seen worth 2 lottery picks (I think the 76ers were idiots for that one but clearly there were enough people high on this guy, they weren't alone).

Also odd with the two way thing. So far Fultz has looked like a far better defender than offensive player (though playing next to simmons was just a toxic mess as they both can't shoot at this point in time). I'm actually really high on Fultz if he can figure this out being a really nice defensive point guard, even if his offensive game doesn't turn into what he was drafted for.

[dhsilv2]

There are reasons and they've been stated on Realgm numerous times. He was the #1 pick and with that comes big expectations. Had he fulfilled them the Sixers would look a lot different now (which also would change things in the East).

But he didn't and the answers we got (the fans) are questionable at best. The Magic obviously believe in him so we'll see how he does going forward.

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

[Magic_Johnny12]

I'm so glad Elton Brand had the sense to see through this Fultz nonsense. The kid can't play and wasn't anything at Washington either. He's successfully parlayed a good FIBA Under-18 tournament into fooling one bad GM into trading up to #1 to get him and fooling another bad GM into paying him his remaining 22 million in extensions. Fultz' handlers should get medals.

He was the consensus #1 pick and was a unanimous top 2 pick in almost every credible mock draft, please stop with the hot takes.

He would have been picked #1 no matter what GM was selecting.

[sfernald]

But Embiid looked absolutely amazing in those few games he played and had injuries that were much more cut and die/verifiable. I thought that 3rd or 4th opinion on what was wrong w/ Fultz said he was going to be able to play after the ASB last season? What happened to that?

Embiid didn't play a single game his first 2 years. We've actually seen fultz on an nba court. I don't recall anyone saying Embiid was going to miss 2 seasons when he was drafted, it was seen as a 1 year injury. Mean while fans were calling him a bust, saying he'd never stay healthy, blah blah blah.

Fultz has had issues and I guess fans are upset he doesn't spam us on twitter with updates on his issue?

So far we've seen a guy with elite athletic ability. He's got huge defensive upside, looks like he can be an actual impact defensive point guard. Excellent handles, very good passer, and already a killer in transition. Youngest guy to ever have a triple double to add to that. No, he's not been good overall but it isn't like we haven't seen a hell of a lot of potential in those moments he'd been on the floor.

I don't see the guy as a future superstar at this point but if he can find that jumper he had...he's going to be a good nba player for years to come. Why would anyone not be rooting for him to get there? Again...because he doesn't spam us with twitter posts about his rehab progress? Because we're annoyed doctors couldn't figure out his issue right away? Because *gasp* there might be something mental and requires help?

I mean do you think this guy worked his butt off for all those years to make the NBA and now just wants to collect a pay check and never compete at the NBA level? Why?

Fultz is not an elite athlete nor has he elite handles and he is definitely not a killer in transition. I have heard these things before and i have no idea how anyone that has seen him play would reach such conclusions. If Fultz were an elite athlete with excellent handles he would be able to play even without a 3point shoot. It is precisely because he is neither of these that he is unplayable in his current state.

Moreover dont compare Embiid with Fultz. Embiid had a real injury and was a much better prospect in college. I am not even sure Fultz has a real injury, he literally stopped playing after he got his option picked up and was moved to the bench. He spent the whole summer last year shooting 3s supposedly without any issues and as soon as he secured one more year of money and was moved to the bench he suddenly was injured again.

I hope he overcomes whatever issues he has but lets not kid ourselves that this is a typical injury. He will be paid for the full 4 years of his rookie contract and to this day he has played back up minutes in 33 games and even in those he hasnt shown much. He is literally being paid based on his perceived potential, because he hasnt shown anything on the NBA court yet.

It was a really difficult situation for a rookie though. The 76ers were ready to make a championship run. Now that he’s on the dreadful Magic, he can play 40 minutes a game without any stress. I’m sure he will come around this year if he can stay healthy.

[shakes0]

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Embiid didn't play a single game his first 2 years. We've actually seen fultz on an nba court. I don't recall anyone saying Embiid was going to miss 2 seasons when he was drafted, it was seen as a 1 year injury. Mean while fans were calling him a bust, saying he'd never stay healthy, blah blah blah.

Fultz has had issues and I guess fans are upset he doesn't spam us on twitter with updates on his issue?

So far we've seen a guy with elite athletic ability. He's got huge defensive upside, looks like he can be an actual impact defensive point guard. Excellent handles, very good passer, and already a killer in transition. Youngest guy to ever have a triple double to add to that. No, he's not been good overall but it isn't like we haven't seen a hell of a lot of potential in those moments he'd been on the floor.

I don't see the guy as a future superstar at this point but if he can find that jumper he had...he's going to be a good nba player for years to come. Why would anyone not be rooting for him to get there? Again...because he doesn't spam us with twitter posts about his rehab progress? Because we're annoyed doctors couldn't figure out his issue right away? Because *gasp* there might be something mental and requires help?

I mean do you think this guy worked his butt off for all those years to make the NBA and now just wants to collect a pay check and never compete at the NBA level? Why?

Fultz is not an elite athlete nor has he elite handles and he is definitely not a killer in transition. I have heard these things before and i have no idea how anyone that has seen him play would reach such conclusions. If Fultz were an elite athlete with excellent handles he would be able to play even without a 3point shoot. It is precisely because he is neither of these that he is unplayable in his current state.

Moreover dont compare Embiid with Fultz. Embiid had a real injury and was a much better prospect in college. I am not even sure Fultz has a real injury, he literally stopped playing after he got his option picked up and was moved to the bench. He spent the whole summer last year shooting 3s supposedly without any issues and as soon as he secured one more year of money and was moved to the bench he suddenly was injured again.

I hope he overcomes whatever issues he has but lets not kid ourselves that this is a typical injury. He will be paid for the full 4 years of his rookie contract and to this day he has played back up minutes in 33 games and even in those he hasnt shown much. He is literally being paid based on his perceived potential, because he hasnt shown anything on the NBA court yet.

It was a really difficult situation for a rookie though. The 76ers were ready to make a championship run. Now that he’s on the dreadful Magic, he can play 40 minutes a game without any stress. I’m sure he will come around this year if he can stay healthy.

[sfernald]

Fultz is not an elite athlete nor has he elite handles and he is definitely not a killer in transition. I have heard these things before and i have no idea how anyone that has seen him play would reach such conclusions. If Fultz were an elite athlete with excellent handles he would be able to play even without a 3point shoot. It is precisely because he is neither of these that he is unplayable in his current state.

Moreover dont compare Embiid with Fultz. Embiid had a real injury and was a much better prospect in college. I am not even sure Fultz has a real injury, he literally stopped playing after he got his option picked up and was moved to the bench. He spent the whole summer last year shooting 3s supposedly without any issues and as soon as he secured one more year of money and was moved to the bench he suddenly was injured again.

I hope he overcomes whatever issues he has but lets not kid ourselves that this is a typical injury. He will be paid for the full 4 years of his rookie contract and to this day he has played back up minutes in 33 games and even in those he hasnt shown much. He is literally being paid based on his perceived potential, because he hasnt shown anything on the NBA court yet.

It was a really difficult situation for a rookie though. The 76ers were ready to make a championship run. Now that he’s on the dreadful Magic, he can play 40 minutes a game without any stress. I’m sure he will come around this year if he can stay healthy.

YES, absolutely dreadful. One five hundred season doesn’t change that.

[NBAFan93]

Embiid didn't play a single game his first 2 years. We've actually seen fultz on an nba court. I don't recall anyone saying Embiid was going to miss 2 seasons when he was drafted, it was seen as a 1 year injury. Mean while fans were calling him a bust, saying he'd never stay healthy, blah blah blah.

Fultz has had issues and I guess fans are upset he doesn't spam us on twitter with updates on his issue?

So far we've seen a guy with elite athletic ability. He's got huge defensive upside, looks like he can be an actual impact defensive point guard. Excellent handles, very good passer, and already a killer in transition. Youngest guy to ever have a triple double to add to that. No, he's not been good overall but it isn't like we haven't seen a hell of a lot of potential in those moments he'd been on the floor.

I don't see the guy as a future superstar at this point but if he can find that jumper he had...he's going to be a good nba player for years to come. Why would anyone not be rooting for him to get there? Again...because he doesn't spam us with twitter posts about his rehab progress? Because we're annoyed doctors couldn't figure out his issue right away? Because *gasp* there might be something mental and requires help?

I mean do you think this guy worked his butt off for all those years to make the NBA and now just wants to collect a pay check and never compete at the NBA level? Why?

Fultz is not an elite athlete nor has he elite handles and he is definitely not a killer in transition. I have heard these things before and i have no idea how anyone that has seen him play would reach such conclusions. If Fultz were an elite athlete with excellent handles he would be able to play even without a 3point shoot. It is precisely because he is neither of these that he is unplayable in his current state.

Moreover dont compare Embiid with Fultz. Embiid had a real injury and was a much better prospect in college. I am not even sure Fultz has a real injury, he literally stopped playing after he got his option picked up and was moved to the bench. He spent the whole summer last year shooting 3s supposedly without any issues and as soon as he secured one more year of money and was moved to the bench he suddenly was injured again.

I hope he overcomes whatever issues he has but lets not kid ourselves that this is a typical injury. He will be paid for the full 4 years of his rookie contract and to this day he has played back up minutes in 33 games and even in those he hasnt shown much. He is literally being paid based on his perceived potential, because he hasnt shown anything on the NBA court yet.

It was a really difficult situation for a rookie though. The 76ers were ready to make a championship run. Now that he’s on the dreadful Magic, he can play 40 minutes a game without any stress. I’m sure he will come around this year if he can stay healthy.

Magic aren’t exactly dreadful - they made it to the playoffs last year and won a game against the ultimate champs. Fultz was supposed to be able to play in January/February timeframe of last year (at least I think that’s what that outside specialist’s report that he went to said - it was X number of weeks of PT) - and he never did.

[Dan Z]

I'm not sure I've ever wanted a guy to success more than Fultz with all the countless garbage hate he's gotten for no reason.

There are reasons and they've been stated on Realgm numerous times. He was the #1 pick and with that comes big expectations. Had he fulfilled them the Sixers would look a lot different now (which also would change things in the East).

But he didn't and the answers we got (the fans) are questionable at best. The Magic obviously believe in him so we'll see how he does going forward.

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

Sure it is. If he was a 2nd round pick we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you mean that people go beyond criticizing him then I can understand that, but you shouldn't be surprised.

[Eyeamok]

I'm so glad Elton Brand had the sense to see through this Fultz nonsense. The kid can't play and wasn't anything at Washington either. He's successfully parlayed a good FIBA Under-18 tournament into fooling one bad GM into trading up to #1 to get him and fooling another bad GM into paying him his remaining 22 million in extensions. Fultz' handlers should get medals.

He was the consensus #1 pick and was a unanimous top 2 pick in almost every credible mock draft, please stop with the hot takes.

He would have been picked #1 no matter what GM was selecting.

Danny Ainge says hello ! And hell no.

[Eyeamok]

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

Shakes you will be waiting a long time for that response.

People should look at Fultz track record. He plays well in the summer has great workouts, excellent reviews. Then come the fall when the bright lights are on and the games really matter. He does not perform. He has had a shoulder injury that should have been cleared up by now. Yet a year later we still don't know when he will be ready. But how bad could the injury have been if it did not require surgery?

[JAYZGOAT]

He certainly has more support and apologist now that he's off the evil tanking empire lol

[MotownMadness]

Hopefully he puts it together cause he was so smooth in college. Maybe they are trying to raise his confidence getting this done early.

[SF_Warriors]

Its either that or let him go for nothing. Its just them banking on him showing any kind of potential next season. Encouraging (or dumb) would be giving him an extension.

[dhsilv2]

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

and now we get into effectively the whataboutism.

[dhsilv2]

There are reasons and they've been stated on Realgm numerous times. He was the #1 pick and with that comes big expectations. Had he fulfilled them the Sixers would look a lot different now (which also would change things in the East).

But he didn't and the answers we got (the fans) are questionable at best. The Magic obviously believe in him so we'll see how he does going forward.

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

Sure it is. If he was a 2nd round pick we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you mean that people go beyond criticizing him then I can understand that, but you shouldn't be surprised.

Surprised...not really. Disappointed and a bit disgusted? Absolutely.

[dhsilv2]

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

Shakes you will be waiting a long time for that response.

People should look at Fultz track record. He plays well in the summer has great workouts, excellent reviews. Then come the fall when the bright lights are on and the games really matter. He does not perform. He has had a shoulder injury that should have been cleared up by now. Yet a year later we still don't know when he will be ready. But how bad could the injury have been if it did not require surgery?

The surgery or TOS I believe requires removal of a rib and is a last resort type thing (you should read that as you're going to try everything else possible for a few YEARS before you go there).

[LloydFree]

I'm so glad Elton Brand had the sense to see through this Fultz nonsense. The kid can't play and wasn't anything at Washington either. He's successfully parlayed a good FIBA Under-18 tournament into fooling one bad GM into trading up to #1 to get him and fooling another bad GM into paying him his remaining 22 million in extensions. Fultz' handlers should get medals.

He was the consensus #1 pick and was a unanimous top 2 pick in almost every credible mock draft, please stop with the hot takes.

He would have been picked #1 no matter what GM was selecting.

Danny Ainge says hello ! And hell no.

Amazing how that detail seems to go over so many heads. LOL.

[Dan Z]

Hopefully he puts it together cause he was so smooth in college. Maybe they are trying to raise his confidence getting this done early.

I wish someone would pay me $12 million dollars to help boost my confidence!