The Jonas Valanciunas Thread

[redred9]

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Born: Oct 2, 1982
Height: 7-1 / 2.16
Weight: 235 lbs. / 106.6 kg.
High School: Dominquez H.S
Years Pro: 9

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Tyson Chandler
Position: Power Forward
Birthplace:
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DOMINGUEZ HS (CALIF.)
SCHOOL
Junior
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7-1
HEIGHT
225 lbs

Thats ''a lot bigger'' 10 lbs? If that.

yeah i dunno- he looks bigger than that to me. Look at every other great big man in the league- they've all bulked up. Hell even most of the guards have bulked up.

Even Bosh could have bulked up if he could play at that weight without his knees giving way.

[So Clutch]

Chandler has gotten a lot bigger. Maybe those guys haven't bulked up but pretty much every other successful big man has put on weight- i mean NORMALLY men put weight into frames in their early twenties. I mean if you don't believe guys will bulk up then Ed Davis is pretty much a lost cause as well.

Even if Chandler did bulk up, it hasn't enabled him to do anything more than what he has been doing since his rookie year, like being a viable post scorer. He's just better at what he has always been doing, but I attribute that more to experience than bulking up.

If you are talking about offensive contributions, Jonas shoots 80-90 from the line, which is much better skillwise that Chandler at the same age - rather better than Chandler at his current state after all of his development.

[Kabookalu]

If you are talking about offensive contributions, Jonas shoots 80-90 from the line, which is much better skillwise that Chandler at the same age - rather better than Chandler at his current state after all of his development.

My point was that people are assuming that Val will start gaining skills and moves he's never had just by bulking up but I can't recall a time where a tall skinny center like Val who never really had a post game, go on to develop one.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

Chandler has gotten a lot bigger. Maybe those guys haven't bulked up but pretty much every other successful big man has put on weight- i mean NORMALLY men put weight into frames in their early twenties. I mean if you don't believe guys will bulk up then Ed Davis is pretty much a lost cause as well.

Even if Chandler did bulk up, it hasn't enabled him to do anything more than what he has been doing since his rookie year, like being a viable post scorer. He's just better at what he has always been doing, but I attribute that more to experience than bulking up.

If you are talking about offensive contributions, Jonas shoots 80-90 from the line, which is much better skillwise that Chandler at the same age - rather better than Chandler at his current state after all of his development.

Chandler couldn't hit the side of the barn from the line when he first came into the league.

The fact that Jonas shoots a good percentage from the line tells me that he should be able to develop a decent baseline jumper.

[Volcano]

One thing that troubles me is that the last 2 years, B.C picked Derozan and Ed Davis and the overwhelming majority of fans supported the deal.

The type of negative discourse that Val has generated is equal to the Bargnani and CV selection from what I recall. I wanted Gay and Granger (as well as the majority of the board) in those drafts, respectfully (which would have been great picks).

I remember most people wanting Aldridge (who looks like he might be the best player from that draft now). The CV/Joey draft didn't get as much of a negative reaction. Some people even wanted Joey where CV got drafted..so they were happy when we got him later. I'm not so sure Bargs even generated that much negativity (no one wanted BC fired or was threatening anything against him). That was BC's first year and most fans trusted in him. We weren't really aware of the Euro movement yet and there weren't blind Euro haters at the time.

[MikeM]

If you are talking about offensive contributions, Jonas shoots 80-90 from the line, which is much better skillwise that Chandler at the same age - rather better than Chandler at his current state after all of his development.

My point was that people are assuming that Val will start gaining skills and moves he's never had just by bulking up but I can't recall a time where a tall skinny center like Val who never really had a post game, go on to develop one.

You think Pau had all those moves when he was 19?

Did Aldridge even enter the paint when he was 19?

[Reg00]

I rarely post here anymore, and the uneducated misled fans that base their opinions on stereotypes and assumptions is 100% why.

Jonas V should have gone to Cleveland at 4 - he was projected to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft. Considering we pick 5th, you'd expect fans to be excited to grab the 4th best player in the draft, right?

Of course not. Boo hoo, I want hype, I want hype draft Kemba draft Knight that's all I know who else is in this draft?

Bismack had too many question marks. NO OFFENSE whatsoever. We're talking Ben Wallace minus 2 points. Sure he'd be good on defense, if not great down the road, but why not leave that spot open for a Center who can fill it up on both ends of the floor?

Jonas has incredibly quick feet which he uses to his advantage on both ends - offense and defense. He's an excellent help defender that knows how to switch (hmm, opposite of who?) and pick up the driving opponent. He's got a nice wingspan and blocks shots (even jumpshots) with the best. He's 19, and yes, he's 240 pounds, but he's BIG. BIG.

You'll all be so sorry when you turn your back on the Raptors and come to see that we drafted possibly the best Center in this draft. A 19 year old who was compared to Arvydas by none other than ARVYDAS HIMSELF??

I'll go back into hiding now, because I really don't want to see what you idiots will have to say in return. In fact, I already know what you'll say.

ARVYDAS WAS SOFT TOO!!!

You bunch of blowjobs.

Yes yes, everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion are blowjobs and idiots. Sounds like a Realgm'er to me.

If he can play defense and rebound, fine. Great. But our main defensive issues were perimeter based as much as big man based.

I will hold off because I just don't know enough about JV right now. I'd say it will take me a month into the season to get a feel at how far/how close he is to being a NBA player.

[bargs4mvp]

If you are talking about offensive contributions, Jonas shoots 80-90 from the line, which is much better skillwise that Chandler at the same age - rather better than Chandler at his current state after all of his development.

My point was that people are assuming that Val will start gaining skills and moves he's never had just by bulking up but I can't recall a time where a tall skinny center like Val who never really had a post game, go on to develop one.

You think Pau had all those moves when he was 19?

Did Aldridge even enter the paint when he was 19?

this x 100

[Kabookalu]

You think Pau had all those moves when he was 19?

I dunno, did he? I know that in his first year in the league he was a 18/8 player right from the get go, doubt Val will come even close to that mark.

[ty123]

He better be a borderline all star.

[kmatrixg]

Hahahaahahaha, Arvydas Sabonis?!?!? No, JV can't even wipe Sabonis' ass. Arvydas was already dominating when he was 19 - probably the best C in the world at the time. Even BC said he sees JV as a young Ilgauskas at best.

I rarely post here anymore, and the uneducated misled fans that base their opinions on stereotypes and assumptions is 100% why.

Jonas V should have gone to Cleveland at 4 - he was projected to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft. Considering we pick 5th, you'd expect fans to be excited to grab the 4th best player in the draft, right?

Of course not. Boo hoo, I want hype, I want hype draft Kemba draft Knight that's all I know who else is in this draft?

Bismack had too many question marks. NO OFFENSE whatsoever. We're talking Ben Wallace minus 2 points. Sure he'd be good on defense, if not great down the road, but why not leave that spot open for a Center who can fill it up on both ends of the floor?

Jonas has incredibly quick feet which he uses to his advantage on both ends - offense and defense. He's an excellent help defender that knows how to switch (hmm, opposite of who?) and pick up the driving opponent. He's got a nice wingspan and blocks shots (even jumpshots) with the best. He's 19, and yes, he's 240 pounds, but he's BIG. BIG.

You'll all be so sorry when you turn your back on the Raptors and come to see that we drafted possibly the best Center in this draft. A 19 year old who was compared to Arvydas by none other than ARVYDAS HIMSELF??

I'll go back into hiding now, because I really don't want to see what you idiots will have to say in return. In fact, I already know what you'll say.

ARVYDAS WAS SOFT TOO!!!

You bunch of blowjobs.

http://www.valanciunas.com/2010/08/youn ... is-secret/

Want some hotsauce with your words you friggin jagoff?

[Walid]

I rarely post here anymore, and the uneducated misled fans that base their opinions on stereotypes and assumptions is 100% why.

Jonas V should have gone to Cleveland at 4 - he was projected to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft. Considering we pick 5th, you'd expect fans to be excited to grab the 4th best player in the draft, right?

Of course not. Boo hoo, I want hype, I want hype draft Kemba draft Knight that's all I know who else is in this draft?

Bismack had too many question marks. NO OFFENSE whatsoever. We're talking Ben Wallace minus 2 points. Sure he'd be good on defense, if not great down the road, but why not leave that spot open for a Center who can fill it up on both ends of the floor?

Jonas has incredibly quick feet which he uses to his advantage on both ends - offense and defense. He's an excellent help defender that knows how to switch (hmm, opposite of who?) and pick up the driving opponent. He's got a nice wingspan and blocks shots (even jumpshots) with the best. He's 19, and yes, he's 240 pounds, but he's BIG. BIG.

You'll all be so sorry when you turn your back on the Raptors and come to see that we drafted possibly the best Center in this draft. A 19 year old who was compared to Arvydas by none other than ARVYDAS HIMSELF??

I'll go back into hiding now, because I really don't want to see what you idiots will have to say in return. In fact, I already know what you'll say.

ARVYDAS WAS SOFT TOO!!!

You bunch of blowjobs.

[MikeM]

You think Pau had all those moves when he was 19?

I dunno, did he? I know that in his first year in the league he was a 18/8 player right from the get go, doubt Val will come even close to that mark.

He won't, because he's not a real #5 pick, he's a #10. But he was the BPA in this draft. Again, you guys are all clamoring for an alternative that does not exist.

[Kabookalu]

You'll all be so sorry when you turn your back on the Raptors and come to see that we drafted possibly the best Center in this draft. A 19 year old who was compared to Arvydas by none other than ARVYDAS HIMSELF??

Dirk compared Bargnani to DIRK HIMSELF??

[kmatrixg]

I rarely post here anymore, and the uneducated misled fans that base their opinions on stereotypes and assumptions is 100% why.

Jonas V should have gone to Cleveland at 4 - he was projected to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft. Considering we pick 5th, you'd expect fans to be excited to grab the 4th best player in the draft, right?

Of course not. Boo hoo, I want hype, I want hype draft Kemba draft Knight that's all I know who else is in this draft?

Bismack had too many question marks. NO OFFENSE whatsoever. We're talking Ben Wallace minus 2 points. Sure he'd be good on defense, if not great down the road, but why not leave that spot open for a Center who can fill it up on both ends of the floor?

Jonas has incredibly quick feet which he uses to his advantage on both ends - offense and defense. He's an excellent help defender that knows how to switch (hmm, opposite of who?) and pick up the driving opponent. He's got a nice wingspan and blocks shots (even jumpshots) with the best. He's 19, and yes, he's 240 pounds, but he's BIG. BIG.

You'll all be so sorry when you turn your back on the Raptors and come to see that we drafted possibly the best Center in this draft. A 19 year old who was compared to Arvydas by none other than ARVYDAS HIMSELF??

I'll go back into hiding now, because I really don't want to see what you idiots will have to say in return. In fact, I already know what you'll say.

ARVYDAS WAS SOFT TOO!!!

You bunch of blowjobs.

Yes yes, everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion are blowjobs and idiots. Sounds like a Realgm'er to me.

If he can play defense and rebound, fine. Great. But our main defensive issues were perimeter based as much as big man based.

I will hold off because I just don't know enough about JV right now. I'd say it will take me a month into the season to get a feel at how far/how close he is to being a NBA player.

Slow down and comprehend what you read there, Barney. When did I give forth to myself being a self-center narcissistic jerkoff? I simply said those who base opinions off stereotypes are what I called "blowjobs and idiots".

[Kabookalu]

He won't, because he's not a real #5 pick, he's a #10. But he was the BPA in this draft. Again, you guys are all clamoring for an alternative that does not exist.

It does not exist because BC ****ed it up picking this skinny kid.

[RealSuperfan]

Love the pick. Love all the angst from everyone who hates the pick.

Chew on it, baby.

I spent a year following this kid while you were wasting your time on severely flawed NCAA trash (okay, and a few guys who thought better of entering this draft).

Mark my words. Valanciunas will be one of the two or three best players to emerge from this draft.

And I lvoe the fact that everyone was wrong on BC. He made the ballsy long-term pick, not the short-term move to ensure he wins more games next season.

He's rebuilding the proper way. BPA after BPA after BPA. It would have been easy to sell Walker or Knight, might have sold some tickets for the Teachers' pension plan. But no, he put the franchise first.

I salute you sir!

I like how the past 3 BPAs really do fit around each other and there's no mismatches or anything. It makes me hopeful that all these pieces can mesh together real well, especially since the top players in the next draft look like SFs and PGs.

That was a thing of beauty Dagger; exactly my feelings, well said.

This is why I wanted BC back. His ability to look at the big picture now and make the right decisions to follow through with his vision of rebuilding gives me a sense of comfort. I give him credit for drafting who he thought was right for this team, despite the reactionary backlash that would be associated with drafting Jonas. The casual fan won't like this pick simply because he's not a known commodity, but I've been pushing for this and I couldn't be happier. Job well done Mr. Colangelo. Dagger, you've done you're part to sell this board in the past months on why Val would be a good pick even with the buyout issues, kudos.

[MikeM]

He won't, because he's not a real #5 pick, he's a #10. But he was the BPA in this draft. Again, you guys are all clamoring for an alternative that does not exist.

It does not exist because BC ****ed it up picking this skinny kid.

As opposed to the dude straight from Africa who played 14 games in Spain?

Tristan Thompson!!!! Went #4 in this draft.

[Kabookalu]

As opposed to the dude straight from Africa who played 14 games in Spain?

Tristan Thompson!!!! Went #4 in this draft.

14 games is all I need to know that I would want Kyrie Irving first overall.

[5DOM]

You think Pau had all those moves when he was 19?

I dunno, did he? I know that in his first year in the league he was a 18/8 player right from the get go, doubt Val will come even close to that mark.

Pau was 21 when he came