2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jordan Clarkson is the 1st player who comes to mind who would be available, not need to start, be on an extremely friendly deal (1-year, $14M), and not require much from the Heat to acquire.

Duncan for Clarkson? Both teams split the savings on the Duncan contract.

Or use K Anderson. Maybe you need a 3rd team for that.

I'd rather use Robinson to acquire Sexton or J Collins. Since it's Ainge, I'm sure he'd hold Riley's feet to the fire for draft compensation and I'm not sure Miami would give up any picks for those guys.

Somewhere in there i can see a Sexton and Clarkson deal. Anderson and HH equal Clarkson. Rozier equals Collins but Ainge will be asking for picks without a doubt. I see Sexton ending up in Sacramento. Could be a 3 teamer.

[SA37]

Don't see the point in Kuminga, are we trying to have the most pfs in the league?

He would be a combo SF/PF with us.

Test question: How tall are power forwards.

Miami Heat organization: 6-4 barefoot, 6-6 in shoes. Always.


Miami essentially has high school varsity team heights for their desired players :

PG: 6'
SG 6'2
SF 6'5
PF 6'6
C 6'8

[Kobewade11]

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Not buying the Kuminga interest. If they really wanted him that seems like a move that could have been made at the deadline.

[vagelis]

Andrew Wiggins to the Sacramento could really be a thing. Wiggins and LaVine have a relationship dating back to the Timberwolves and apparently still good friends. Would also get Wiggins back close to the bay. Not saying Wiggins for DeRozan is going to be the deal but it does make sense for him as a trade match. Need to expand this deal to include Monk, Carter, or picks

I would like to see Wiggins to Sacramento together with Lavine or Bucks together with Giannis or to stay with Miami.

Pesonally I liked Miami for Wiggins but you seem to not like him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Not buying the Kuminga interest. If they really wanted him that seems like a move that could have been made at the deadline.

Could be his agent trying to drum up interest for his RFA client in a highly depressed free agent spending market.

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Not buying the Kuminga interest. If they really wanted him that seems like a move that could have been made at the deadline.

Couldn't do it at the deadline because it's trickier based on his rookie deal. Sign and trade now makes it simpler to match money.

[Hoops3355]

Like Pat could have had either KD or Kuminga last summer for Jimmy. I'm legit annoyed at these clowns. Terrible asset management and failure to adjust. I think we're about to blow it up.

[oreon]

Don't see the point in Kuminga, are we trying to have the most pfs in the league?

There's no point to add long-term money for anyone not a star if you're best players are Bam and Herro.
None of these Kuminga's, Monk, DeroZan's rumors make any sense to me. I hope they are just rumours and not a desperate FO trying to stay relevant. I'm shocked fans here are crying out for these deals. Those the type of deals that keep you in purgatory forever

They need to figure out a path to get a real All NBA guy as a no 1 option, who is still in his prime. Till then keep the cap flexible

[Kobewade11]

Don't see the point in Kuminga, are we trying to have the most pfs in the league?

There's no point to add long-term money for anyone not a star if you're best players are Bam and Herro.
None of these Kuminga's, Monk, DeroZan's rumors make any sense to me. I hope they are just rumours and not a desperate FO trying to stay relevant. I'm shocked fans here are crying out for these deals. Those the type of deals that keep you in purgatory forever

They need to figure out a path to get a real All NBA guy as a no 1 option, who is still in his prime. Till then keep the cap flexible

you got any realistic suggestions?

[SA37]

No issue taking a flyer on Kuminga if it is a a contract that either declines over the years or remains steady and can increase with performance-based bonuses.

Just for reference, Jalen Johnson has a flat-rate $30M/season contract. So either Miami pays Kuming a top rate in the $25M range that then decreases or it's a flat rate around $20M with incentives/bonuses built in.

So either he takes ~4-years, $90M guaranteed or he takes $80M that can be, say $110M if he makes his incentives. (I am pretty sure there are rules that limit bonuses, but I don't know what they are.)

[Vertical Limit]

No issue taking a flyer on Kuminga if it is a a contract that either declines over the years or remains steady and can increase with performance-based bonuses.

Just for reference, Jalen Johnson has a flat-rate $30M/season contract. So either Miami pays Kuming a top rate in the $25M range or it's a flat rate around $20M with incentives/bonuses built in.

I have his contract looking like Malik Monk’s contract at the moment which he signed with sacramento at 4 years 77 million..

Maliks numbers at the moment are 17.4 last season, 18.8 in 25/26, 20.1 the following and then a 21.5 player option in 27/28

We have been paying Duncan Robinson those kind of numbers and he is not as good as Malik.. but anyways


I think those numbers is a good guide of what Kuminga may land..


But ……… don’t be shocked if some small market team desperate to add talent offers him 4 years 100.. or higher..

[Rapaz]

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[Lennyzinho]

Andrew Wiggins to the Sacramento could really be a thing. Wiggins and LaVine have a relationship dating back to the Timberwolves and apparently still good friends. Would also get Wiggins back close to the bay. Not saying Wiggins for DeRozan is going to be the deal but it does make sense for him as a trade match. Need to expand this deal to include Monk, Carter, or picks

I would like to see Wiggins to Sacramento together with Lavine or Bucks together with Giannis or to stay with Miami.

Pesonally I liked Miami for Wiggins but you seem to not like him.

I think people soured on Wiggins due to his potential and promise as a player of his caliber. Also he got hurt as he usually does which didnt help.

I think Rozier and Duncan making 40M+ are a bigger problem to this roster construction. Teams might actually want Wiggins, so hes the name that most here throw around. Because duncan and rozier other than expirings and taking someone else's headache or attaching a pick, aren't getting moved.

[oreon]

Don't see the point in Kuminga, are we trying to have the most pfs in the league?

There's no point to add long-term money for anyone not a star if you're best players are Bam and Herro.
None of these Kuminga's, Monk, DeroZan's rumors make any sense to me. I hope they are just rumours and not a desperate FO trying to stay relevant. I'm shocked fans here are crying out for these deals. Those the type of deals that keep you in purgatory forever

They need to figure out a path to get a real All NBA guy as a no 1 option, who is still in his prime. Till then keep the cap flexible

you got any realistic suggestions?

The best one is waiting a year and hoping Giannis asks for Miami only. Giannis for sure stays with Bucks this season but probably doesn't sign an extension. If Bucks sucks again, he will be available in the summer.

But this is a long shot. There will be other suitors with better offers and better supporting casts that Giannis will find attractive

Of you look to overpay for distressed assets like Morant, Zion and Embiid. But these are super high risk high reward and high chance of failure. Especially Zion and Embiid, the risk is a lot. But their teams would dump them for the right package

Aside from that, there isn't a realistic path that I see. And even the ones I outlined are probably outlandish. They should just rebuild

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Kumingas a black hole on offense, can’t shoot, and doesn’t play defense. Sign me up Patrick!

[wadenation305]

Not clamoring for Kuminga, but if we can get him without giving up picks. He is someone who could hold value around the league, especially if we can extend him at a good rate, and that's the only way I'd want him. I'm not counting on him being the thing that makes us contenders. I am gambling on him increasing his value, especially once the fear of his contract extension is over. On our team, he'd easily be top 3-4 in value when other teams look at us in a trade. If he flourishes here, even better. It's about having guys that have value on the team (assets). Right now, nobody on our team has value except Bam, Ware, and, to an extent, Herro.

A Kuminga looks a lot better in a trade than trying to peddle Duncan and Roizer onto someone. That's how I look at things.

[Shewasfly]

I don't understand the push to make supporting cast trades (Clarkson, Monk, etc.) now that we've missed out on KD. Those made sense with a #1 option on the team, but doing it now is just losing assets that could be used to compete for a trade for a star next summer.

I've been one of the biggest proponents of a Sexton/John Collins trade but strategically it doesn't make sense anymore. Only way you do it is if you think that's enough of a team to get us a top 5 seed next year. I think the FO has given continuous signals they don't believe in Herro and Bam like that.

[Shewasfly]

There's no point to add long-term money for anyone not a star if you're best players are Bam and Herro.
None of these Kuminga's, Monk, DeroZan's rumors make any sense to me. I hope they are just rumours and not a desperate FO trying to stay relevant. I'm shocked fans here are crying out for these deals. Those the type of deals that keep you in purgatory forever

They need to figure out a path to get a real All NBA guy as a no 1 option, who is still in his prime. Till then keep the cap flexible

you got any realistic suggestions?

The best one is waiting a year and hoping Giannis asks for Miami only. Giannis for sure stays with Bucks this season but probably doesn't sign an extension. If Bucks sucks again, he will be available in the summer.

But this is a long shot. There will be other suitors with better offers and better supporting casts that Giannis will find attractive

Of you look to overpay for distressed assets like Morant, Zion and Embiid. But these are super high risk high reward and high chance of failure. Especially Zion and Embiid, the risk is a lot. But their teams would dump them for the right package

Aside from that, there isn't a realistic path that I see. And even the ones I outlined are probably outlandish. They should just rebuild

Embiid seems done, as far as being a top tier player.
Zion is a headache I can't see the FO ever wanting to take a gamble on, especially with his recent foolishness.
Morant is not being traded after they just got rid of Bane. I think they will go with him next season and give it a year to see what happens.

I agree with your last sentence that we just need to rebuild. I've accepted it. Hopefully the resistance to blowing it up is waning in the FO. I don't see any way out of this that will actually give us a chance to be a competitive team in the now after missing out on KD.

[SA37]

No issue taking a flyer on Kuminga if it is a a contract that either declines over the years or remains steady and can increase with performance-based bonuses.

Just for reference, Jalen Johnson has a flat-rate $30M/season contract. So either Miami pays Kuming a top rate in the $25M range or it's a flat rate around $20M with incentives/bonuses built in.

I have his contract looking like Malik Monk’s contract at the moment which he signed with sacramento at 4 years 77 million..

Maliks numbers at the moment are 17.4 last season, 18.8 in 25/16, 20.1 the following and then a 21.5 player option in 27/28

We have been paying Duncan Robinson those kind of numbers and he is not as good as Malik.. but anyways


I think those numbers is a good guide of what Kuminga may land..


But ……… don’t be shocked if some small market team desperate to add talent offers him 4 years 100.. or higher..

Yeah, I think your valuation is spot-on given Kuminga has shown so little, but lots of factors -- some you mentioned -- will lead him to get higher offers. He originally wanted the max, I believe. He's not getting that, but I have a feeling his agent will tell him not to take anything under $100M over 4-years or $131M over 5 in guaranteed money, which is the rate Jaden McDaniels signed for last year (5-years, $131M).

Not sure who offers him that, but that's basically Miles Bridges (3-years, $75M)/Cam Johnson (4-years, $95M)/Mikal Bridges (4-years, $90M)/DeAndre Hunter (4-years, $90M) money with a bit of inflation built in.

I prefer he be on a declining contract because if he doesn't work out, he's easier to trade over time. If it works out, Miami gets some cap flexibility as the years pass.

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