Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0

B-easy · Post #856 » by **B-easy** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:49 pm

Ever since the game against the GSW wall has been getting to the line 11.6 times a game, thats is very impressive.

I'm waiting for wall to cool down but keeps just hasn't slowed down, it's getting to the point where this is a legitimate breakthrough. He is shooting 49% with TS 58% in the last 17, the improvement is remarkable.

I sometimes feel long breaks can disrupt the flow that player is in, but if he comes out next season playing like the end of this season then we should be excited.

GhostsOfGil · Post #857 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:15 pm

Post #858 » by **Zonkerbl** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:07 pm

Thanks! Couldn't see the game!

hands11 · Post #859 » by **hands11** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:49 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Wall's pouting when things arn't going well is known to wiz fans who follow him. Good to see Mek stepping up.

"Veteran leadership" is one of those vague intangibles that everyone uses, but few know how to apply. This anecdote relayed by Michael Lee would be a good application of "veteran leadership."

Lee reports that Emeka Okafor was fed up with John Wall's attitude following a one-point loss to the Detroit Pistons at home on February 27. That led to a shouting match that ultimately turned Wall's season around.

When Okafor attempted to explain afterward why Coach Randy Wittman had to make the decision to give A.J. Price more playing time, Wall snapped back, leading to a heated argument that was audible from the walls on the other side of the training room.

"It was just me being young and very frustrated. I wasn't making anything, turning the ball over, and we lost a lot of games that we should've won and I put the toll on me," Wall explained, as he recalled his emotions before the encounter. "A lot of frustration was coming out. As a veteran and being a leader on the team, [Okafor] stepped up and said something. At the time, it was in the heat of moment. I was upset."

Wall and Okafor talked the next day to clear the air, but clearly the exchange had an effect on Wall. Since that moment, Wall is averaging 22.7 points and 7.9 assists per game with a true shooting percentage of 56.4 percent and an assist rate of 40.4 percent.

It's just a small reminder that pros with credibility can have a lot of value to teams with young stars. Okafor may be overpaid for his production, but given his consistency and experience, he holds a lot of weight when he speaks up. It'd be easy for Wall to downplay similar comments by a fellow youngster like, say, JaVale McGee. It's much harder for him to do so when it's Okafor.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/4/9/ ... on-wizards

Sounds like whatever few extra million Meka is getting paid, he just made up the difference. If what he said had that kind of affect on Wall so that he took the next step, then he more then earned his keep.

Mad props to Mekatron

hands11 · Post #860 » by **hands11** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:59 pm

dlts20 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Here is the thing. Do the Wizards tank or go for the Win next season with their current squad?

go all out for the win. They are too talented to tank if they are healthy. There is no doubt in my mind that neither Wall or Beal will go backwards so those 2 guys wll carry us to enough wins that tanking is out. If Nene comes along for the ride then they can be very good

Tanks are designed.

If they want to tank and get one more solid pick in a solid draft, one way to do it is go for someone like CJM with the first pick.

That would leave the post kind of thin. If Nene can get in shape and step it up, they go for it. If he get injured or just can't jump anymore, then they will score more but they will lose their fair share.

Then you go SF or PF next draft and use the cap space to add whatever else you need.

They can go CJM and something like Muscala and Pierre Jackson

Oooww, first time I have seen us mock draft with Pierre going to us. Nice

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

This one have us with Shabazz Muhammad, Wolters and Pierre

Unlikely we go Wolters and Pierre. One or the other. Both are high energy players. I would have to watch more Wolters for him to top Pierre in my book. I liked Pierre's game from the first time I saw him. He has great leadership, energy and awesome handles.

Upper Decker · Post #861 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Any chance Wall get's consideration for MIP? I know the award has been given to players who make a leap from good to exceptional. I think Wall fits that category. He'll end the season with a PER around 21, which top 20 for players who actually matter this season. I suppose there are better candidates; Harden, Asik, Sanders.

Higga · Post #862 » by **Higga** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:40 pm

Upper Decker wrote:Any chance Wall get's consideration for MIP? I know the award has been given to players who make a leap from good to exceptional. I think Wall fits that category. He'll end the season with a PER around 21, which top 20 for players who actually matter this season. I suppose there are better candidates; Harden, Asik, Sanders.

His injury early in the year probably means he won't win it.

GhostsOfGil · Post #863 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:18 pm

No way Harden doesn't win it.

Post #864 » by **montestewart** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:07 pm

Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Post #865 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:19 pm

montestewart wrote:Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Much better defensively.

verbal8 · Post #866 » by **verbal8** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:51 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
montestewart wrote:Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Much better defensively.

Gary Payton at that point isn't that far off from Marbury. Not to say that Wall is or will ever be the defender that Payton was, but I think his path to being a franchise player depends on living up to his potential as an elite defender.

Post #867 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:12 am

I was imagining what might happen to Wall in the future if he largely plays with poor shooters and/or injured lineups, and his shot continues to improve just enough that he keeps trying to take over games and will the team to victory, and ends up . . . like Starbury.

Sure, they aren't the same player, but they both played 49 games in their third year, both had a PER of 20.8, a WS/48 of .134, Marbury had .521 TS%, 44.0 AST%, .799 FT%, while Wall had .519 TS%, 43.9 AST%, .804 FT%. Yikes! That is too close. That's X-Files.

Illuminaire · Post #868 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:43 am

Sure. If you ignore the team's needs, their play styles, and the entire half of the game called defense.

hands11 · Post #869 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:49 am

Wall 3 year stats. Nice year over year progress.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html

Comparison to other PGs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws

First off, Kobe is sick. He ends up showing up on the PG list with all his assists this year.

Wall really improved his TOV a lot this year. For a PG that has such a high AST% 44.3 PG, TOV% 15.6 isn't bad at all. Specially considering how he started the year. He ended the year leap frogging
Jose Calderon 15.8%.

From 2013-03-22 to 2013-04-17
15 game from the time he stopped turning it over so much.

MP 36.5
AST% 40.6
TOV% 8.5

USG% 32.3

ORtg 113
DRtg 107

I see no reason he shouldn't be able to get that down into the 13 range next year. That would put him in the elite efficiency PG class. If he keeps his AST% up that high. He would be there with the best of the best.

hands11 · Post #870 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:52 am

For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Post #871 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:13 pm

hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Good catch on his low turnover rate down the stretch. 8.6% is ridiculous.

I'm not too worried about his assists. His assists will come as his jumper continues to improve and teams decide to go over the screen to take away his midrange shot. His assists will also improve with Webster and Beal taking the corner 3 instead of Martin and Garrett. And if we ever acquire a stretch-four with a quick release, Wall will probably lead the league in assists.

Post #872 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:14 pm

hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

OMG! Wall and Marbury have THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS!

GhostsOfGil · Post #873 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:23 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbnYFBK5pM[/youtube]

hands11 · Post #874 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:53 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

OMG! Wall and Marbury have THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS!

And Isiah is there also.

What shocked me was how low Magics AST% was in his 3rd year. I kept wonder why he wasn't in my list. I had to drop the % down to 30% before he showed up. Also had to check the G/F button.

Also surprising was A Miller and how his number tailed off the following years. He had a great year 3.

Nice to see Kevin Johnson name again. I hadn't thought about him in a while.

Lastly, Jose Calderon is a pretty decent player who had he ever played for a good team, would have gotten more attention.

hands11 · Post #875 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:01 pm

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Good catch on his low turnover rate down the stretch. 8.6% is ridiculous.

I'm not too worried about his assists. His assists will come as his jumper continues to improve and teams decide to go over the screen to take away his midrange shot. His assists will also improve with Webster and Beal taking the corner 3 instead of Martin and Garrett. And if we ever acquire a stretch-four with a quick release, Wall will probably lead the league in assists.

NP.

Hey. Remember us talking about that 14 to 14.5 range I had as a target. Pretty impressive that he got as close as he did. If they played another 4-5 games, he would have likely gotten there since he was trimming .01 to .03 per game.

Last year he was 19.2 TOV %. 15.3 this year is impressive improvement. Specially since most of him cleaning that up came over a smaller window later in the year. Wasn't that long ago he was up at 17 plus.

There were a few things Wall needed to do to give us more faith he would get there.

Stop turning it over so much - check
Stop picking up his dribble - check
Find a jumper - check
Get to the line more - check.

Pretty amazing turnaround he did there. 25 games ago, I don't think we would be checking off those boxes.

Whats really nice is that I didn't even list him learning to change pace. He got that down earlier in the year. But compared to last year, that was another new trick for him as well.

He is now progressing very rapidly. Next year should be a lot of fun watching him. I think we may even see a

3 Ball - added to his tricks.