Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game

[mademan]

People don't realize just how much power players gave up in this current CBA. In exchange for a small bump in salary/revenue sharing, the teams have received broad powers, including enhanced drug testing, and the ability to penalize players severely for what they wear and how they act on (and sometimes off) the court...and even in practice.



That's a pretty darn broad mandate.



So, basically, the NBA appears to be saying that the new CBA gives them greater authority over players...and even if it seems at first reading that their authority has been reduced, that this interpretation is wrong.

Regarding practice and Ben, a sampling:



I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a prohibition on carrying a cell phone while practicing to be reasonable.



I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a cell phone is not included in uniform...or sneakers.

Etc., etc. The two documents are well over 500 pages total. Feel free to read them yourselves.

I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.

The bold is exactly what I'm thinking. The players wanted the salary bump, and thought (rightfully) that it would take a perfect storm of events before any team would dare risk the public shame--and backlash--probable for being the first to attempt enforcing these new provisions.

And then one day, along came Ben Simmons....

Player association realized that you basically have to be an idiot to get hit with these fines. Simmons cant even do the bare minimum of show up and walk through practice without outright refusing to participate.

It's not on the NBAPA; this is all on Simmons.

[madmaxmedia]

Pfffft they locked my post about sending Ben Simmons to the G-League. Can’t even discuss hypotheticals, as outlandish as it is makes this forum SOFT!

Maybe it's better if you just go home.

[K3nny Pow3rs]

Teams have no money left to sign him. He’s not gonna to risk losing all that guarantee money.

At the end of the day. Simmons and klutch cannot risk losing 140 million. They will never recoup the money if contract is terminated. He would need to sign for vet min and since season already started. He can’t even play for a year and get super max money again with the same team. He gonna to cost himself at least 40-50 million guaranteed if contract get voided. That is the last thing the nba players association wants to see happen

All the years they spent getting players guarantee contracts.

I doubt Simmons cares about money, he's proving it now.
He'll sacrifice all the money in the world, if he can play in California.

If he didn't care about money then he wouldn't have crawled back to the team after finding out he can't get that $8 million payment by sitting out.

But Simmons only returned so he could be a distraction. You can see that by his conduct since returning. He didn't return for money, he returned to either get traded or get Morey fired.....because Philly can't handle this distraction.

Morey must trade Simmons very soon or Morey's replacement will. And returning was also a masterstroke because the misconduct will lower his trade value, thereby giving more teams the chance to trade for him. Morey can no longer ask for major assets.

[DavidSterned]

You're implying that the "detrimental conduct" is some eternal gray area that isn't in fact clearly defined in the language of his contract. The fact is that in any NBA contract the conditions and terms for services rendered are clearly outlined and not really open to interpretation. Compliance with receiving coaching would be a pretty boilerplate, open/shut issue within the structure of his contract.

That's absurd, you really think there are specific clauses in player contracts with respect to conduct during a training/practice/drills?

Language that covers things like "looked disinterested", "unengaged", "did not give full effort", "did not receive coaching"?

It's actually absurd that you think that contract language wouldn't cover that region. Insubordination is a pretty standard aspect of every employment contract that I've ever read.

[FrodoFraggins]

I doubt Simmons cares about money, he's proving it now.
He'll sacrifice all the money in the world, if he can play in California.

If he didn't care about money then he wouldn't have crawled back to the team after finding out he can't get that $8 million payment by sitting out.

But Simmons only returned so he could be a distraction. You can see that by his conduct since returning. He didn't return for money, he returned to either get traded or get Morey fired.....because Philly can't handle this distraction.

Morey must trade Simmons very soon or Morey's replacement will. And returning was also a masterstroke because the misconduct will lower his trade value, thereby giving more teams the chance to trade for him. Morey can no longer ask for major assets.

You might want to cut back on that Ivermectin

[Statlanta]

Ben Simmons to Orlando in exchange for Markelle Fultz and other assets??? Hahahaha at least Markelle can shoot a 3 once in a while

Lol that would be the 3rd #1 draft pick dumped onto Orlando

[Time for Change]

You're implying that the "detrimental conduct" is some eternal gray area that isn't in fact clearly defined in the language of his contract. The fact is that in any NBA contract the conditions and terms for services rendered are clearly outlined and not really open to interpretation. Compliance with receiving coaching would be a pretty boilerplate, open/shut issue within the structure of his contract.

That's absurd, you really think there are specific clauses in player contracts with respect to conduct during a training/practice/drills?

Language that covers things like "looked disinterested", "unengaged", "did not give full effort", "did not receive coaching"?

It's actually absurd that you think that contract language wouldn't cover that region. Insubordination is a pretty standard aspect of every employment contract that I've ever read.

Here is the relevant section of the uniform player contract that all players sign:

The Player agrees: (i) to give his best services, as well as his loyalty, to the Team, and to play basketball only for the Team and its assignees; (ii) to be neatly and fully attired in public; (iii) to conduct himself on and off the court according to the highest standards of honesty, citizenship, and sportsmanship; and (iv) not to do anything that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of the Team or the League.

He’s pretty clearly in violation of those terms. There’s also a clause about following all team rules.

[RalphWiggum]

76ers are in the wrong here.

Imagine handing out guaranteed contracts, and then just suspending the player for things like "looks unengaged"

Those terms are completely subjective and cannot be used against a player.


Imagine the havoc it would cause, when teams just start regretting contracts and start taking the money back by saying things like "we're not happy with his engagement levels". That would never fly.


76ers will lose this in court, Simmons will get his money back, and they will need to trade him or this will go on

Sixers won’t lose in court. There is objective video evidence already of him not engaged.

Cell phone in pocket.
Walking away from team gatherings.

Pretty definitive evidence not engaged.

Why are people defending Simmons behavior? It’s just not Simmons. It’s AD. It’s jimmy butler.

This type of behavior has got to stop.

Best way for Simmons to end this is shut up and play hard. He will get traded. But he’s not gonna to get paid acting like this.

This is unprecedented 4 max year left in a guarantee contract. Butler had 1 year. Harden 2 years. AD 1.5 years left. Vince had 2.5 years.

Never in history of nba has a player acted like this with 4 max years.

He could be on a 10 day contract and this would be unacceptable behavior.

[Jabroni Lames]

76ers are in the wrong here.

Imagine handing out guaranteed contracts, and then just suspending the player for things like "looks unengaged"

Those terms are completely subjective and cannot be used against a player.


Imagine the havoc it would cause, when teams just start regretting contracts and start taking the money back by saying things like "we're not happy with his engagement levels". That would never fly.


76ers will lose this in court, Simmons will get his money back, and they will need to trade him or this will go on

Sixers won’t lose in court. There is objective video evidence already of him not engaged.

Cell phone in pocket.
Walking away from team gatherings.

Pretty definitive evidence not engaged.

Why are people defending Simmons behavior? It’s just not Simmons. It’s AD. It’s jimmy butler.

This type of behavior has got to stop.

Best way for Simmons to end this is shut up and play hard. He will get traded. But he’s not gonna to get paid acting like this.

This is unprecedented 4 max year left in a guarantee contract. Butler had 1 year. Harden 2 years. AD 1.5 years left. Vince had 2.5 years.

Never in history of nba has a player acted like this with 4 max years.

That wasn't a cellphone in his pocket, Ben was just happy to see Doc & Joel. No, but seriously, Mark Stein confirmed that it was folded up jersey in his pocket and retracted... NOT a cellphone.

Read on Twitter

[RRyder823]

76ers are in the wrong here.

Imagine handing out guaranteed contracts, and then just suspending the player for things like "looks unengaged"

Those terms are completely subjective and cannot be used against a player.


Imagine the havoc it would cause, when teams just start regretting contracts and start taking the money back by saying things like "we're not happy with his engagement levels". That would never fly.


76ers will lose this in court, Simmons will get his money back, and they will need to trade him or this will go on

Sixers won’t lose in court. There is objective video evidence already of him not engaged.

Cell phone in pocket.
Walking away from team gatherings.

Pretty definitive evidence not engaged.

Why are people defending Simmons behavior? It’s just not Simmons. It’s AD. It’s jimmy butler.

This type of behavior has got to stop.

Best way for Simmons to end this is shut up and play hard. He will get traded. But he’s not gonna to get paid acting like this.

This is unprecedented 4 max year left in a guarantee contract. Butler had 1 year. Harden 2 years. AD 1.5 years left. Vince had 2.5 years.

Never in history of nba has a player acted like this with 4 max years.

That wasn't a cellphone in his pocket, Ben was just happy to see Doc & Joel. No, but seriously, Mark Stein confirmed that it was folded up jersey in his pocket and retracted... NOT a cellphone.

Read on Twitter

Yeah uhmmm..... Nothing in there "confirms" anything



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[AI_Efficiency]

I doubt Simmons cares about money, he's proving it now.
He'll sacrifice all the money in the world, if he can play in California.

If he didn't care about money then he wouldn't have crawled back to the team after finding out he can't get that $8 million payment by sitting out.

But Simmons only returned so he could be a distraction. You can see that by his conduct since returning. He didn't return for money, he returned to either get traded or get Morey fired.....because Philly can't handle this distraction.

Morey must trade Simmons very soon or Morey's replacement will. And returning was also a masterstroke because the misconduct will lower his trade value, thereby giving more teams the chance to trade for him. Morey can no longer ask for major assets.

If the Sixers trade him tomorrow for pennies on the dollar you'll be right. For what it's worth though, WOJ reported that sixers aren't going to cater to this and are just going to wait. They could even just sit Ben until they get an offer they want. With 4 years on his deal, why would they be in a rush? Sitting Ben is not that big a distraction and playing a traditional point guard like Maxey won't be much of a drop off. I think Simmons best bet to get dealt fast would have been to play and improve his value so Sixers could feel good about a trade. Now, Morey isn't going to want to let Ben bully the team so I think this could take even longer for a deal to happen.

Edit: This reminds me of Simmons announcing he wouldn't attend camp. People thought that it would speed up the trade process because it would be a distraction for the team. Sixers said they didn't care and aren't any closer to dealing him. I don't think having him sit down in a corner by himself will be that different. Presumably, the Sixers organization knew that Simmons acting like this would be an option when he came back and are prepared to deal with it.

[DelAbbot]

This guy is just a trash human being. There should be provision that such conduct can lead to his contract being torn up and for however many years of his contract or 4 years, whatever is longer, players are kryptonited from joining any other NBA team. Let him play for the Shanghai Tigers.

calling him trash is fine but funny part is doc actually kicked him out of practice after begging him with mgt players to show up just once.
embiid too is a diva being way too passive aggressive. one day begs on his knees hes best friends then today claims he doesnt want to babysit he doesnt care simmons now that he showed up. which one is it? some of these guys in philly including morey have bipolar disease they need to go see a doctor as much as simmons has to be blamed. not trying to side with klutch but sixers will be a fa wasteland for decades.

That is kinda true, as a 76er fan, I am extremely down on Morey, like I have said multiple times.
He won’t trade Simmons for anything less than his ridiculous asking price, he is not doing anything since the off season to help the team, he is doing it out of his huge ego, not wanting to lose face, so he puts the team’s future in jeopardy. He could have worked out so many deals that could benefit the team more than having Simmons in the team.
No one else seem to notice that Morey is the main problem, not Simmons ( as much as he is acting out), not Embiid, **** Morey is the Sixer’s biggest problem.


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Glad some PHI fans see the real problem

[kuclas]

calling him trash is fine but funny part is doc actually kicked him out of practice after begging him with mgt players to show up just once.
embiid too is a diva being way too passive aggressive. one day begs on his knees hes best friends then today claims he doesnt want to babysit he doesnt care simmons now that he showed up. which one is it? some of these guys in philly including morey have bipolar disease they need to go see a doctor as much as simmons has to be blamed. not trying to side with klutch but sixers will be a fa wasteland for decades.

That is kinda true, as a 76er fan, I am extremely down on Morey, like I have said multiple times.
He won’t trade Simmons for anything less than his ridiculous asking price, he is not doing anything since the off season to help the team, he is doing it out of his huge ego, not wanting to lose face, so he puts the team’s future in jeopardy. He could have worked out so many deals that could benefit the team more than having Simmons in the team.
No one else seem to notice that Morey is the main problem, not Simmons ( as much as he is acting out), not Embiid, **** Morey is the Sixer’s biggest problem.


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Glad some PHI fans see the real problem

I don't see what Morey is doing anything wrong. The offers aren't there. Future picks really mean nothing unless you can some type of value on them (aka right after draft lottery). Like Pelican's didn't to trade with Lakers during the middle of the season for AD. All of the sudden the lakers 10-12 overall 1st round project picked jumped up to overall number 4 pick. Plus Pelicans got overall 1 pick. That changed the dynamics how they were able to trade AD. Just simply facts.

People can't reward bad behavior from players under contracts. It may work when a player has 1 year left like AD/Leonard. It may even work with 2 years left (harden/Kyrie). Maybe 2.5 years (Vince Carter). But this is a whole new level with 4 max years left.

If the offers aren't good enough to improve the team or even keep the team sideways. Why do the trade? Cause Simmons is a distraction and a cry baby who wants out? You don't reward that by selling Simmons for 20 cents on the dollar.

I'd rather them clear his entire salary, waive him and he can try to find if he can make up that guarantee 4/140 million.

[AI_Efficiency]

That is kinda true, as a 76er fan, I am extremely down on Morey, like I have said multiple times.
He won’t trade Simmons for anything less than his ridiculous asking price, he is not doing anything since the off season to help the team, he is doing it out of his huge ego, not wanting to lose face, so he puts the team’s future in jeopardy. He could have worked out so many deals that could benefit the team more than having Simmons in the team.
No one else seem to notice that Morey is the main problem, not Simmons ( as much as he is acting out), not Embiid, **** Morey is the Sixer’s biggest problem.


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I don't see what Morey is doing anything wrong. The offers aren't there. Future picks really mean nothing unless you can some type of value on them (aka right after draft lottery). Like Pelican's didn't to trade with Lakers during the middle of the season for AD. All of the sudden the lakers 10-12 overall 1st round project picked jumped up to overall number 4 pick. Plus Pelicans got overall 1 pick. That changed the dynamics how they were able to trade AD. Just simply facts.

People can't reward bad behavior from players under contracts. It may work when a player has 1 year left like AD/Leonard. It may even work with 2 years left (harden/Kyrie). Maybe 2.5 years (Vince Carter). But this is a whole new level with 4 max years left.

If the offers aren't good enough to improve the team or even keep the team sideways. Why do the trade? Cause Simmons is a distraction and a cry baby who wants out? You don't reward that by selling Simmons for 20 cents on the dollar.

I'd rather them clear his entire salary, waive him and he can try to find if he can make up that guarantee 4/140 million.

Along a similar line of thinking, if your goal is championship or bust, which is essentially the Hinkie/Morey attitude, you're not going to take some of the trades floated over the summer for mediocre role players / picks that aren't going to get you a ring anyway. Better to keep Ben on ice and hope that some other team's star asks out or some other team gets desperate and give you more.

[LakerLegend]

[loserX]

Is this legit? The spelling mistake doesn't help. What's the source?

[LakerLegend]

Is this legit? The spelling mistake doesn't help. What's the source?

Your guess is as good as mine.

[TheProdigy]

Glad some PHI fans see the real problem

I don't see what Morey is doing anything wrong. The offers aren't there. Future picks really mean nothing unless you can some type of value on them (aka right after draft lottery). Like Pelican's didn't to trade with Lakers during the middle of the season for AD. All of the sudden the lakers 10-12 overall 1st round project picked jumped up to overall number 4 pick. Plus Pelicans got overall 1 pick. That changed the dynamics how they were able to trade AD. Just simply facts.

People can't reward bad behavior from players under contracts. It may work when a player has 1 year left like AD/Leonard. It may even work with 2 years left (harden/Kyrie). Maybe 2.5 years (Vince Carter). But this is a whole new level with 4 max years left.

If the offers aren't good enough to improve the team or even keep the team sideways. Why do the trade? Cause Simmons is a distraction and a cry baby who wants out? You don't reward that by selling Simmons for 20 cents on the dollar.

I'd rather them clear his entire salary, waive him and he can try to find if he can make up that guarantee 4/140 million.

Along a similar line of thinking, if your goal is championship or bust, which is essentially the Hinkie/Morey attitude, you're not going to take some of the trades floated over the summer for mediocre role players / picks that aren't going to get you a ring anyway. Better to keep Ben on ice and hope that some other team's star asks out or some other team gets desperate and give you more.

The problem is that Simmons is tanking his value so hard right now that you're going to have to attach significant depth and draft picks along with him for whichever star player becomes available.

Morey should have traded Simmons immediately before the draft and accumulated prospects and draft capital for when a star player does become available. That ship has sailed now. Teams that may have been interested in Simmons aren't going to pay top dollar for a locker room cancer.

[Pointgod]

He's not going to suit up and play. Something is better than nothing. So they'd rather play this game and not even get slightly better? That's dumb.

Yes. It amazes me that GMs always fail to understand that he minute a trade demand is made public they’ve lost a lot of leverage. You’d think Morey of all people would know that since he tried to trade for James Harden last year. I’m sure Morey wasn’t calling up offering Houston Ben Simmons, 3 first picks and 3 picks swaps for Harden which is the equivalent of what he’s asking for a much lesser player in Simmons.

If Harden had been 25 years old and under contract for the next 4 seasons his value would have been even higher. He is a better player than Ben Simmons, but age and control matters when you are talking about contracts. How each team prioritizes each is up to the GM of that individual team.

To a team with a reasonable expectation they can retain a star player a 99 Overall rated player who is 30+ with 1.5 years left on his contract is going to be more desirable to them than a 90 overall rated player who is 25 with 4 years left.

to a market where they believe they can't attract stars and had they gotten that 99 overall rated player would see him leave in 1.5 years, a 90 overall rated player who is under control for 4 more seasons may be more desirable.

Have to look at the players as they are not hypotheticals. Harden is a top 5 player, former MVP and can single handidly put your team into finals contention.

Ben Simmons if I’m being very generous is a defensive player of the year candidate that hasn’t demonstrated that he can lead a team to the playoffs much, much less the finals. It’s not even clear that he’s a true second option. And he’s a guy that hasn’t improved on his game since his rookie season and has severe offensive limitations in the playoffs. Nothing that can’t be mitigated with the right schemes and personnel but spare me this nonsense about him being 25 and having 4 years left on his contract. Players that ask for trades are like cars when you drive them off the lot, they lose a lot of their value.

Morey is asking more for Ben Simmons than the Rockets even got for Harden! He’s a guy on a sinking ship who’s still steering towards land.

[bisme37]

Pfffft they locked my post about sending Ben Simmons to the G-League. Can’t even discuss hypotheticals, as outlandish as it is makes this forum SOFT!

You're more than welcome to post your Ben Simmons hypotheticals here like the the rest of us are doing. The problem was making an entirely new thread and cluttering the board with your random thoughts that don't warrant any more attention than anyone else's random thoughts.

If you feel the need to complain about it further please PM me or another mod. Doing so again publicly will result in a strike. Thx.