College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[Knicksfan1992]

The last time we seen any of the top teams trade In the draft was The picks that became fultz and Tatum if I’m correct. And that was the difference of like a spot or two.

Knick are not going to intice a team from the back of the lottery to trade them a top 4. That’s a supreme pipe dream. In todays NBA no team is moving out those spots. Also Knicks aren’t aggressive, it’s not this front office style. They only try to make deals within the frame work of being frugal. Every time the demand was to rich for the Knicks they backed off and that was for proven players. They damn sure not doing for a draftee.

Minnesota traded up to 6 from 11 for Culver

Hawks traded up to 4 for Hunter with 2 1sts

Hawks traded from 5 to 3 for Luka

It hasn't happened the past couple of years, but there's definitely more precedent than you're letting on here.

[TerrenceClarke]

The last time we seen any of the top teams trade In the draft was The picks that became fultz and Tatum if I’m correct. And that was the difference of like a spot or two.

Knick are not going to intice a team from the back of the lottery to trade them a top 4. That’s a supreme pipe dream. In todays NBA no team is moving out those spots. Also Knicks aren’t aggressive, it’s not this front office style. They only try to make deals within the frame work of being frugal. Every time the demand was to rich for the Knicks they backed off and that was for proven players. They damn sure not doing for a draftee.

Minnesota traded up to 6 from 11 for Culver

Hawks traded up to 4 for Hunter with 2 1sts

Hawks traded from 5 to 3 for Luka

It hasn't happened the past couple of years, but there's definitely more precedent than you're letting on here.

wow smh. I really forgot about those . But the reality is you proving my point... the difference in picks is MINIMA in most cases. a spot or two. Hawks went from 8 to 4 in a rare scenerio. Your talking about 6 spots currently and if the knicks do what they do best it could be a 8 spot jump. We all know anyone who would trade with the knicks in the draft that high up, would try to fleece us cause we NY, and we look desperate.

Me personally No team is trading a top 4 pick to the back of the lotto where we currently stand, that has those spots. They all thirsty for top talent.

to Me Its simply a waste in mental energy to even think about from our perspective. Every single year we dream of the dream scenario that is nothing based in realty. We do it with NBA stars and we do it with draft picks.

Add to the fact the Knicks have not shown they care about the draft that much... You have a better chance of wining the lottery then to think the knicks will trade the farm to move from the back of the draft into the top 4. When they wouldn't even do it for an established player.

[moocow007]

I don’t think the Spurs do this and why wouldn’t they ask for RJ back? The only reason they do this is if the Knicks pull a 1-4 pick.

Yeah don't disagree. I don't see the Spurs taking this but hey if they were crazy to do it, bring it on.

We could add in the Dallas FRP. That would be 2 FRPs, Quickely, Duece. I say trade the pick if outside the top 5. This is a weaker draft and if we aren't getting Jabari, Chet, Panchero, Ivey or Sharpe then no one else is enticing enough to pick up.

I'd still go for that if Dallas was willing.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

[TerrenceClarke]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Really?

I feel like thats many NBA teams kind of pick in many ways.

I dont think for one min the Knicks would be the only team to do that.

Me personally I would rather have Jabari as well.


I dont trust Chet Long Term like I never trusted Zion Long term.

There is not much evidence on Lanky mobile white big men lasting with out mad aliments constantly happening that takes them off the court. Gallo and KP were both pretty healthy dudes until they came to the NBA.

Gallo, KP etc fall apart pretty fast when then have to bang in the NBA.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Nah, we'd take Chet without thinking about what position he's going to play in the NBA. He's not going to be able to play C anytime soon, and he's not going to be able to guard a lot of the 4s who play from the perimeter. His frame doesn't look like he can add a lot of weight either.

Jabari looks like the modern 4, the guy who can check interior and perimeter players.

[TerrenceClarke]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Nah, we'd take Chet without thinking about what position he's going to play in the NBA. He's not going to be able to play C anytime soon, and he's not going to be able to guard a lot of the 4s who play from the perimeter. His frame doesn't look like he can add a lot of weight either.

Jabari looks like the modern 4, the guy who can check interior and perimeter players.

dude is lke a baby Dirk.His Fade Away game for a Big is crazy. Dude be looking like Kobe and Dirk alot on his bread and butter move.

[Richard4444]

Honestly if the Knicks really want Jabari or Ivey, then they could probably go get them but we've never seen a Knicks FO be extra aggressive about getting someone they really like in the draft. Even if the trade may be an overpay, sometimes you have to do it to set a precedent. This may be the last chance the Knicks have to get a cost controlled possible star in the building.. If that's the route they choose they need to be aggressive about it IMO. Sacrifice making a pick next year if that's what it takes..

Let's say you end up in the top 10 and one of those guys drops to 4. Past precedence shows that if you include a future 1st and maybe one more asset you can move up into the top 5...Knicks could do something like

pick 9,
IQ/Obi/Cam (whomever they prefer),
their first next year w/ loose protections something like top 2 or 3 protected

for

4th pick

Would it be an overpay on the surface? Sure... but at some point you have to pick a lane. This would be a nice way to say we believe in RJ + our young core and we are going to add another high potential piece to it.

I'd have no qualms if the Knicks did this for Ivey because it would show some sort of conviction at the very least.

How many times did you see a team trade down from #pick 9 to #pick4 in the past 10 years?

Lottery teams only trade players in the same tier: Fultz/Tatum, Doncic/Trae, or for stars Wiggins/Love.

Nobody trades a Top5 pick (great potential for a future star) for a bunch of nice players and a not sure future high pick.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Really?

I feel like thats many NBA teams kind of pick in many ways.

I dont think for one min the Knicks would be the only team to do that.

Me personally I would rather have Jabari as well.


I dont trust Chet Long Term like I never trusted Zion Long term.

There is not much evidence on Lanky mobile white big men lasting with out mad aliments constantly happening that takes them off the court. Gallo and KP were both pretty healthy dudes until they came to the NBA.

Gallo, KP etc fall apart pretty fast when then have to bang in the NBA.

There aren't many comps like Chet, but I don't see that as a bad thing....There werent many comparisons for Giannis or KD either. Dirk was pretty tall and lanky

Jabari can shoot and has skill for sure. Looks really good. Would still be thrilled if the Knicks get him.

Rolling with Chet #1 though

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Nah, we'd take Chet without thinking about what position he's going to play in the NBA. He's not going to be able to play C anytime soon, and he's not going to be able to guard a lot of the 4s who play from the perimeter. His frame doesn't look like he can add a lot of weight either.

Jabari looks like the modern 4, the guy who can check interior and perimeter players.

Both would probably only play 12mpg behind Randle anyway

[moocow007]

On Holmgren...

Maybe you play him at SF or depending on who else you got on the floor at SG.

On the defensive end...he blocks shots (obviously) and had quick reflexes but he doesn't have the strength to hold ground against NBA bigs. He doesn't have the greatest lateral quickness if you play him at the wing position but he reads the floor real well so he should be able to compensate for the lack of wing quickness with anticipation and timing.

On the offensive end...I'm not sure he'll be able to put the ball on the floor as much as he does right now once he goes up against NBA defenders and NBA defenses so have to mitigate the expectations of how much of his "Unicorn" game will translate. He should still be an excellent offensive player due to his very versatile game as well as his great read/react ability, but I'm not seeing an no.1 option type.

Overall...a lot is going to depend on how strong he can get. His frame has some limitations when it comes to being able to add bulk and muscle. That leads to potential concerns about injury, especially given how he plays.

If he can add some strength, he could be like an Andrei Kirilenko like player but one that can shoot. And a AK-47 type player that can actually shoot, that's a serious weapon.

If I had the 1st pick in this draft it'll be a tough choice.

[El Poochio]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

Really?

I feel like thats many NBA teams kind of pick in many ways.

I dont think for one min the Knicks would be the only team to do that.

Me personally I would rather have Jabari as well.


I dont trust Chet Long Term like I never trusted Zion Long term.

There is not much evidence on Lanky mobile white big men lasting with out mad aliments constantly happening that takes them off the court. Gallo and KP were both pretty healthy dudes until they came to the NBA.

Gallo, KP etc fall apart pretty fast when then have to bang in the NBA.

There aren't many comps like Chet, but I don't see that as a bad thing....There werent many comparisons for Giannis or KD either. Dirk was pretty tall and lanky

Jabari can shoot and has skill for sure. Looks really good. Would still be thrilled if the Knicks get him.

Rolling with Chet #1 though

Chet has an easy comp though

Spoiler:

[3toheadmelo]

Jabari is my #1. his scoring ability is crazy at 6’11

[EMG518]

I think Chet may be the best defensive prospect I have seen since I started following the draft in 2012.

His instincts and timing are second to none. He changes shots without actually being directly in the play, when he is tested he can cover both sides of the basket with his length and he not only keeps the ball in play he blocks it to himself or a teammate. It's unreal.

Has a ton of skill on the offensive side as well. He is someone you can use in pretty much any way you want in an offense.

He is a 4 in my eyes and can play small ball 5.

What 4s is he going to have problems with? He is going to give them fits on both sides of the ball.


P.S.
I want Bryce Mcgowens and Gabriele Procida with later picks. We need them.

[HEZI]

Really?

I feel like thats many NBA teams kind of pick in many ways.

I dont think for one min the Knicks would be the only team to do that.

Me personally I would rather have Jabari as well.


I dont trust Chet Long Term like I never trusted Zion Long term.

There is not much evidence on Lanky mobile white big men lasting with out mad aliments constantly happening that takes them off the court. Gallo and KP were both pretty healthy dudes until they came to the NBA.

Gallo, KP etc fall apart pretty fast when then have to bang in the NBA.

There aren't many comps like Chet, but I don't see that as a bad thing....There werent many comparisons for Giannis or KD either. Dirk was pretty tall and lanky

Jabari can shoot and has skill for sure. Looks really good. Would still be thrilled if the Knicks get him.

Rolling with Chet #1 though

Chet has an easy comp though

Spoiler:

Nah. He’s closer in comp to Porzingis than KD. KD in college didn’t play like a versatile big he played like a really tall guard with elite ball handling and footwork to create space and get around defenders. Chet is a versatile big and that’s where there is a big difference.

[HEZI]

1st overall pick Im taking Jabari Smith

[WargamesX]

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[WargamesX]

I really think the Knicks need to use that Mavs pick in a trade sooner than later. Dimwiddie and Luka might be nasty next year and they will be getting Timmy back.

[RHODEY]

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He's scares me ...om both sides..frame is concerning...but on the other side damn he could be a great..

[Marty McFly]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

I didn't want to say it.

I heard someone call Smith KD. where? don't get me wrong, I like the kid but passing on a guy who looks legit generational, regardless of his frame is nuts.