Where is Bob Covington?

[gdog2004]

Agree with most you said.

Offensively, his upside there has a lot of luck involved. But defensively, he can work to reach that upside.

My point is there are a lot of things for him to improve on D. Than having the mindset that he can just focus on his offense for he’s already great on D.

I'm not sure I see much more upside on the defensive end beyond what he's already giving us (I mean... We are talking about a guy that just made first team all defense). He's got good length and great hands on D, but I'm not sure if he has the foot speed or mentality to be an elite man to man defender.

The offensive end, there's a ton of things for him to work on. I assume you are referring to the variability that comes along with relying on 3 pointers when you say his offensive improvement is luck based, but clearly he could stand to get better off the bounce.

I agree, Roco is going to be 28 years old. I think he is near his peak defensively, which given his lack of elite athleticism he has achieved a lot. What is funny about this "all team first defense" is that its voted on by national broadcasters and national writers. The same guys that local fans(like us) make fun of when they try to offer opinions on the local teams who they don't watch on a daily basis. The same guys who made fun of the process. THOSE guys are the ones whose votes all of the Covington supporters are putting so much value on.
I don't put any value into it. I see a guy who Brett Brown COULDN'T KEEP ON THE FLOOR because he could not guard ANYONE on the Celtics. Add to that his extremely shaky offense and you basically have a guy who is unplayable against the Celtics.
And you cannot compare Simmons because he played bad as well. The Celtics GAME PLANNED to specifically stop Simmons and he is a rookie. NO ONE game planned to stop 27 year old Covington, he made dumb play after dumb play, missed wide open shots and consistently got owned by whoever he guarded.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah clearly Robert Covington coasted to his first team all defensive based on his superstar reputation.

You were hating on him all year as he was an elite defender and now you're pounding on him after having a few rough defensive games against Boston. Not as bad as you seem to want to make it sound but certainly bad. He was hardly the only guy that didn't play to his capabilities, it happens, I don't think it reflects some sort of core issue, outside of maybe that we need to bring in someone that can cover point guards, which we knew was an issue going into the playoffs. I've seen him defend wings well before and I'm confident that he will figure it out in a playoff setting. Iguodala went through similar issues.

[gdog2004]

Yeah clearly Robert Covington coasted to his first team all defensive based on his superstar reputation.

You were hating on him all year as he was an elite defender and now you're pounding on him after having a few rough defensive games against Boston. Not as bad as you seem to want to make it sound but certainly bad. He was hardly the only guy that didn't play to his capabilities, it happens, I don't think it reflects some sort of core issue, outside of maybe that we need to bring in someone that can cover point guards, which we knew was an issue going into the playoffs. I've seen him defend wings well before and I'm confident that he will figure it out in a playoff setting. Iguodala went through similar issues.

which wing on Boston did he successfully cover ? Tatum ? Brown ? Morris ? Anyone ?
Sorry. Playoff games matter and first team all-defense doesn't mean a lot when u can't defend anyone on the team you are trying to beat in the playoffs. And for the record he didn't do anything against Boston in the regular season either.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah clearly Robert Covington coasted to his first team all defensive based on his superstar reputation.

You were hating on him all year as he was an elite defender and now you're pounding on him after having a few rough defensive games against Boston. Not as bad as you seem to want to make it sound but certainly bad. He was hardly the only guy that didn't play to his capabilities, it happens, I don't think it reflects some sort of core issue, outside of maybe that we need to bring in someone that can cover point guards, which we knew was an issue going into the playoffs. I've seen him defend wings well before and I'm confident that he will figure it out in a playoff setting. Iguodala went through similar issues.

which wing on Boston did he successfully cover ? Tatum ? Brown ? Morris ? Anyone ?
Sorry. Playoff games matter and first team all-defense doesn't mean a lot when u can't defend anyone on the team you are trying to beat in the playoffs. And for the record he didn't do anything against Boston in the regular season either.

I think you know that a 5 game sample size isn't all that matters and if you didn't dislike the guy already heading into the series you would be more amenable to that. Otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

[sixers hoops]

Yeah clearly Robert Covington coasted to his first team all defensive based on his superstar reputation.

You were hating on him all year as he was an elite defender and now you're pounding on him after having a few rough defensive games against Boston. Not as bad as you seem to want to make it sound but certainly bad. He was hardly the only guy that didn't play to his capabilities, it happens, I don't think it reflects some sort of core issue, outside of maybe that we need to bring in someone that can cover point guards, which we knew was an issue going into the playoffs. I've seen him defend wings well before and I'm confident that he will figure it out in a playoff setting. Iguodala went through similar issues.

which wing on Boston did he successfully cover ? Tatum ? Brown ? Morris ? Anyone ?
Sorry. Playoff games matter and first team all-defense doesn't mean a lot when u can't defend anyone on the team you are trying to beat in the playoffs. And for the record he didn't do anything against Boston in the regular season either.

You are so desperate to try to prove that he is not a very good defender, that you are left grasping at his performance in one playoff series and discrediting his all-defense credentials. It is clear that you no matter what he does, you will find something to try to discredit his value as a player.

[gdog2004]

Yeah clearly Robert Covington coasted to his first team all defensive based on his superstar reputation.

You were hating on him all year as he was an elite defender and now you're pounding on him after having a few rough defensive games against Boston. Not as bad as you seem to want to make it sound but certainly bad. He was hardly the only guy that didn't play to his capabilities, it happens, I don't think it reflects some sort of core issue, outside of maybe that we need to bring in someone that can cover point guards, which we knew was an issue going into the playoffs. I've seen him defend wings well before and I'm confident that he will figure it out in a playoff setting. Iguodala went through similar issues.

which wing on Boston did he successfully cover ? Tatum ? Brown ? Morris ? Anyone ?
Sorry. Playoff games matter and first team all-defense doesn't mean a lot when u can't defend anyone on the team you are trying to beat in the playoffs. And for the record he didn't do anything against Boston in the regular season either.

I think you know that a 5 game sample size isn't all that matters and if you didn't dislike the guy already heading into the series you would be more amenable to that. Otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

I like the guys who I think can help bring this team a championship. Almost every game Covington has played against the Celtics he has been a non factor/unplayable. Boston is our main competition. Its really that simple. Prior to the Boston games my only beef with Covington was his shot selection when he was bricking everything for week after week. But he really got exposed in the Boston series, and that is troubling.

[TTP]

which wing on Boston did he successfully cover ? Tatum ? Brown ? Morris ? Anyone ?
Sorry. Playoff games matter and first team all-defense doesn't mean a lot when u can't defend anyone on the team you are trying to beat in the playoffs. And for the record he didn't do anything against Boston in the regular season either.

I think you know that a 5 game sample size isn't all that matters and if you didn't dislike the guy already heading into the series you would be more amenable to that. Otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

Prior to the Boston games my only beef with Covington was his shot selection

Wait you've actually convinced yourself this? You realize we can just go back in the thread and pull quotes right?

[Mik317]

we had Cov on Rozier for most of the series. Tatum also cooked the Cavs too...i guess that LeBron guy is a pretty **** defender too eh?
Cov had a rough series, no doubt about it. But you have had it out for him all year. I think the fanbase overrates Cov quite a bit in many regards but still your agenda is clear as day. My guess it stems from the whole Okafor saga in which many against Jah were also Covs biggest fans.

[gdog2004]

I think you know that a 5 game sample size isn't all that matters and if you didn't dislike the guy already heading into the series you would be more amenable to that. Otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

Prior to the Boston games my only beef with Covington was his shot selection

Wait you've actually convinced yourself this? You realize we can just go back in the thread and pull quotes right?

Have at it. I maintain what I have said, hes streaky for longgg periods of time and makes brain dead plays in crunch time. I also said on a great team hes like the 7th or 8th guy off the bench. Add to this he was exposed defensively in the Boston series.
On the plus side, sometimes those streaks are positive. And he can defend some players and is a very good team defender.
I maintain they should upgrade the position if possible.

[gdog2004]

we had Cov on Rozier for most of the series. Tatum also cooked the Cavs too...i guess that LeBron guy is a pretty **** defender too eh?
Cov had a rough series, no doubt about it. But you have had it out for him all year. I think the fanbase overrates Cov quite a bit in many regards but still your agenda is clear as day. My guess it stems from the whole Okafor saga in which many against Jah were also Covs biggest fans.

Nah. Okafor unfortunately turned out to be a dog. A talented dog, but still a dog.
I'm a fan of the team and who can best help the team win. I'm always puzzled by guys who "love" a player and defend him like he's a relative when he does things that are bad for the team. These guys are all strangers to you.

[sixerswillrule]

The 8th men on the 3 teams left in the playoffs right now are Quinn Cook, Luc Mbah a Mouse, and Jordan Clarkson. They're what, 30th best at their respective positions? 35th best? But the 15th best SF in the league needs to be the 8th man for this team to contend

[gdog2004]

The 8th men on the 3 teams left in the playoffs right now are Quinn Cook, Luc Mbah a Mouse, and Jordan Clarkson. They're what, 30th best at their respective positions? 35th best? But the 15th best SF in the league needs to be the 8th man for this team to contend

We can all have our own opinions of players. Would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything . I'm certainly not basing my opinion on Covington on what a bunch of national sportswriters/broadcasters who watch 10 games a year think. I watch most if not all of the Sixers games and IMO he's a very frustrating player with limited upside who really struggles defending better players.
No writers award changes that he was unplayable in the Celtics series.

[sixerswillrule]

The 8th men on the 3 teams left in the playoffs right now are Quinn Cook, Luc Mbah a Mouse, and Jordan Clarkson. They're what, 30th best at their respective positions? 35th best? But the 15th best SF in the league needs to be the 8th man for this team to contend

We can all have our own opinions of players. Would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything . I'm certainly not basing my opinion on Covington on what a bunch of national sportswriters/broadcasters who watch 10 games a year think. I watch most if not all of the Sixers games and IMO he's a very frustrating player with limited upside who really struggles defending better players.
No writers award changes that he was unplayable in the Celtics series.

I'm basing my opinion of Covington on his past 300 games. How Covington played in the Celtics series doesn't change the fact that the 7th-8th men on the best teams in the NBA are clearly worse basketball players than Covington.

[Mik317]

Its not an opinion when you are factually wrong tho.

[gdog2004]

The 8th men on the 3 teams left in the playoffs right now are Quinn Cook, Luc Mbah a Mouse, and Jordan Clarkson. They're what, 30th best at their respective positions? 35th best? But the 15th best SF in the league needs to be the 8th man for this team to contend

We can all have our own opinions of players. Would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything . I'm certainly not basing my opinion on Covington on what a bunch of national sportswriters/broadcasters who watch 10 games a year think. I watch most if not all of the Sixers games and IMO he's a very frustrating player with limited upside who really struggles defending better players.
No writers award changes that he was unplayable in the Celtics series.

I'm basing my opinion of Covington on his past 300 games. How Covington played in the Celtics series doesn't change the fact that the 7th-8th men on the best teams in the NBA are clearly worse basketball players than Covington.

As am I. In those 300 games I see a very streaky shooter, an inconsistent one on one defender, and a low IQ player in general.
In your opinion hes perhaps a 3rd best player on a championship team ? Many on this board, and in general people who follow the team closely, strongly disagree with your OPINION.

[sixerswillrule]

We can all have our own opinions of players. Would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything . I'm certainly not basing my opinion on Covington on what a bunch of national sportswriters/broadcasters who watch 10 games a year think. I watch most if not all of the Sixers games and IMO he's a very frustrating player with limited upside who really struggles defending better players.
No writers award changes that he was unplayable in the Celtics series.

I'm basing my opinion of Covington on his past 300 games. How Covington played in the Celtics series doesn't change the fact that the 7th-8th men on the best teams in the NBA are clearly worse basketball players than Covington.

As am I. In those 300 games I see a very streaky shooter, an inconsistent one on one defender, and a low IQ player in general.
In your opinion hes perhaps a 3rd best player on a championship team ? Many on this board, and in general people who follow the team closely, strongly disagree with your OPINION.

Many people strongly disagree with an opinion I never claimed to have or even suggested to have? Cool story.

I do think Covington is far better than Luc Mbah a Moute, Jordan Clarkson, and Nick Young/Quinn Cook, the 8th men on today's contenders. By saying Covington can only be the 8th man on a contender, you are in effect saying he is on a similar level as those players. In other words, you are saying "I have awful opinions".

[gdog2004]

I'm basing my opinion of Covington on his past 300 games. How Covington played in the Celtics series doesn't change the fact that the 7th-8th men on the best teams in the NBA are clearly worse basketball players than Covington.

As am I. In those 300 games I see a very streaky shooter, an inconsistent one on one defender, and a low IQ player in general.
In your opinion hes perhaps a 3rd best player on a championship team ? Many on this board, and in general people who follow the team closely, strongly disagree with your OPINION.

Many people strongly disagree with an opinion I never claimed to have or even suggested to have? Cool story.

I do think Covington is far better than Luc Mbah a Moute, Jordan Clarkson, and Nick Young/Quinn Cook, the 8th men on today's contenders. By saying Covington can only be the 8th man on a contender, you are in effect saying he is on a similar level as those players. In other words, you are saying "I have awful opinions".

Stop being so obtuse.

If the Sixers sign Lebron or PG3, resign Reddick and Fultz becomes the player we think he can be.
Starters:
Simmons, Embiid, Lebron or PG3, Reddick, Dario

Bench:
Fultz, TJ or COVINGTON---etc.

7th or 8th best man on THAT team(which is very possible).
If we sign any of those guys and re-sign Reddick, the "first team all defense" Covington becomes the 7th or 8th guy off the bench.

[sixerswillrule]

As am I. In those 300 games I see a very streaky shooter, an inconsistent one on one defender, and a low IQ player in general.
In your opinion hes perhaps a 3rd best player on a championship team ? Many on this board, and in general people who follow the team closely, strongly disagree with your OPINION.

Many people strongly disagree with an opinion I never claimed to have or even suggested to have? Cool story.

I do think Covington is far better than Luc Mbah a Moute, Jordan Clarkson, and Nick Young/Quinn Cook, the 8th men on today's contenders. By saying Covington can only be the 8th man on a contender, you are in effect saying he is on a similar level as those players. In other words, you are saying "I have awful opinions".

Stop being so obtuse.

If the Sixers sign Lebron or PG3, resign Reddick and Fultz becomes the player we think he can be.
Starters:
Simmons, Embiid, Lebron or PG3, Reddick, Dario

Bench:
Fultz, Reddick ...COVINGTON---etc.

7th or 8th best man on THAT team.
If we sign any of those guys, Covington becomes the 7th or 8th guy off the bench.

Covington would play close to 30 minutes per game on THAT team. There is no way in hell a 34 year old JJ Redick will play more minutes than Covington on THAT team. There is no logic in saying that for THIS team to be a contender, Covington NEEDS to be the the 7th or 8th man, which is what you said. All contenders over the years have 7th or 8th men who are much worse than Covington. All contenders over the years have their 5th best player at a similar level to Covington (if not worse). The only one here being obtuse is you.

[gdog2004]

Many people strongly disagree with an opinion I never claimed to have or even suggested to have? Cool story.

I do think Covington is far better than Luc Mbah a Moute, Jordan Clarkson, and Nick Young/Quinn Cook, the 8th men on today's contenders. By saying Covington can only be the 8th man on a contender, you are in effect saying he is on a similar level as those players. In other words, you are saying "I have awful opinions".

Stop being so obtuse.

If the Sixers sign Lebron or PG3, resign Reddick and Fultz becomes the player we think he can be.
Starters:
Simmons, Embiid, Lebron or PG3, Reddick, Dario

Bench:
Fultz, Reddick ...COVINGTON---etc.

7th or 8th best man on THAT team.
If we sign any of those guys, Covington becomes the 7th or 8th guy off the bench.

Covington would play close to 30 minutes per game on THAT team. There is no way in hell a 34 year old JJ Redick will play more minutes than Covington on THAT team. There is no logic in saying that for THIS team to be a contender, Covington NEEDS to be the the 7th or 8th man, which is what you said. All contenders over the years have 7th or 8th men who are much worse than Covington. All contenders over the years have their 5th best player at a similar level to Covington (if not worse). The only one here being obtuse is you.

Covington is just a role player. That's all he will ever be. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will get over it when he's traded for a REAL difference maker or moved to the bench to make place for a REAL difference maker on both ends of the floor.

[sixerswillrule]

Stop being so obtuse.

If the Sixers sign Lebron or PG3, resign Reddick and Fultz becomes the player we think he can be.
Starters:
Simmons, Embiid, Lebron or PG3, Reddick, Dario

Bench:
Fultz, Reddick ...COVINGTON---etc.

7th or 8th best man on THAT team.
If we sign any of those guys, Covington becomes the 7th or 8th guy off the bench.

Covington would play close to 30 minutes per game on THAT team. There is no way in hell a 34 year old JJ Redick will play more minutes than Covington on THAT team. There is no logic in saying that for THIS team to be a contender, Covington NEEDS to be the the 7th or 8th man, which is what you said. All contenders over the years have 7th or 8th men who are much worse than Covington. All contenders over the years have their 5th best player at a similar level to Covington (if not worse). The only one here being obtuse is you.

Covington is just a role player. That's all he will ever be. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will get over it when he's traded for a REAL difference maker or moved to the bench to make place for a REAL difference maker on both ends of the floor.

I agree that he is a role player. Like Danny Green, the role playing 4th or 5th best player on the 2014 champion Spurs, or Trevor Ariza, the role playing 4th or 5th best player on the 2009 champion Lakers or the 65 win 2018 Rockets, or JR Smith, the role playing 4th or 5th best player on the 2016 champion Cavs, or James Posey, the role playing 5th best player on the 2006 champion Heat. Covington can and will be a starter and 4th or 5th best player on this team when it's contending for a championship.