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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#941 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:15 pm

tontoz wrote:How is calling someone a twit responding to a question? It is ok for you to make personal insults (which you started in this case) but when someone responds back its....waaahhhhh.

Responding to your question yes i think Seraphin > Hawes. Hawes is in his 5th season and never had a PER over 14 until this year. He has never had a TS% as high as Seraphin's current number. Until this year his TS% has consistently been piss poor. He isn't noted for his defense either.

yet this is the guy you think is worth a big contract while Seraphin is just an "adequate backup". OK

Actually an insignificant annoying little twit who likes to waste people's time by engaging in meaningless confrontations.

And you continue to prove it.

Hawes... wait for it... improved! The light went on for him. The skills and size were always there - he just never put them together in Philly before this season. Unfortunately, he's still got to prove he can stay healthy.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#942 » by tontoz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:18 pm

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tontoz wrote:How is calling someone a twit responding to a question? It is ok for you to make personal insults (which you started in this case) but when someone responds back its....waaahhhhh.

Responding to your question yes i think Seraphin > Hawes. Hawes is in his 5th season and never had a PER over 14 until this year. He has never had a TS% as high as Seraphin's current number. Until this year his TS% has consistently been piss poor. He isn't noted for his defense either.

yet this is the guy you think is worth a big contract while Seraphin is just an "adequate backup". OK

Actually an insignificant annoying little twit who likes to waste people's time by engaging in meaningless confrontations.

And you continue to prove it.

Hawes... wait for it... improved! The light went on for him. The skills and size were always there - he just never put them together in Philly before this season. Unfortunately, he's still got to prove he can stay healthy.



But what about his "body of work"?

Double standard much?
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#943 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:25 pm

nate33 wrote:Ruzious and tontoz, why don't you both take a voluntary 2-hour sabbatical from talking with each other. You guys are like oil and water.

That's a sacrifice I am willing to make. :lol:
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#944 » by tontoz » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:28 pm

Hawes has played 19 games this season. I guess that is more important than the 300 games he played previous to this season. Certainly they are more important than the 37 games Seraphin played this season.

I'll go out on a limb and guess Hawes won't continue to shoot 57% from 16-23 feet.
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Post#945 » by jivelikenice » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:56 pm

Seraphin is becomming a fascinating player to watch develop. What really stood out to me yesterday was his ability to catch the ball on the break off the bounce and finish. That makes me wonder if he can develop into a fulltime 4? If he can run the floor like that and continue to work on a 15 foot pick & pop game, why not?
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Post#946 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:11 pm

jivelikenice wrote:Seraphin is becomming a fascinating player to watch develop. What really stood out to me yesterday was his ability to catch the ball on the break off the bounce and finish. That makes me wonder if he can develop into a fulltime 4? If he can run the floor like that and continue to work on a 15 foot pick & pop game, why not?



A lot of 4s are perimeter oriented players and i don't want Seraphin having to chase them around. I want him in the middle anchoring the D. I think that is his biggest strength as a player.
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Post#947 » by Severn Hoos » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:27 pm

tontoz wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Seraphin is becomming a fascinating player to watch develop. What really stood out to me yesterday was his ability to catch the ball on the break off the bounce and finish. That makes me wonder if he can develop into a fulltime 4? If he can run the floor like that and continue to work on a 15 foot pick & pop game, why not?



A lot of 4s are perimeter oriented players and i don't want Seraphin having to chase them around. I want him in the middle anchoring the D. I think that is his biggest strength as a player.


Well, he could be interesting with another big like Ilyasova (my fave). More opportunity to mix 'n match based on matchups than next to a more traditional C. Not that it'll happen, with nene in the fold, but I'd love to see if we could find the next Ilyasova/Anderson the draft.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#948 » by jivelikenice » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:32 pm

tontoz wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Seraphin is becomming a fascinating player to watch develop. What really stood out to me yesterday was his ability to catch the ball on the break off the bounce and finish. That makes me wonder if he can develop into a fulltime 4? If he can run the floor like that and continue to work on a 15 foot pick & pop game, why not?



A lot of 4s are perimeter oriented players and i don't want Seraphin having to chase them around. I want him in the middle anchoring the D. I think that is his biggest strength as a player.


We could play more zone with that lineup in. Also I don't think we should dictate our lineup based on what some other teams might do. We should put pur best lineup out there and have them gameplan for us. If we are facing a finesse 4 we should pound the ball inside to start a game. No need to let other teams dictate what we do.
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Post#949 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:37 pm

It isn't a question of letting other teams dictate, it is a question of the best defensive team we could put on the floor. Seraphin can defend the C spot better than anyone on the team. Did you see what happened when Nene tried to guard Hibbert?

We can't tell the other team to put their pf on Seraphin. They will put whoever they want on him.

Seraphin can do his thing on offense regardless of where he plays.
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Post#950 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:04 pm

One thing that has been bugging me about Seraphin lately is that he doesn't attack the rim. He is generally looking for the first available shot instead of forcing the defender to stop him from getting to the rim and dunking.

With his strength and mobility he could take advatage of a lot of centers off the dribble.
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Post#951 » by dobrojim » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:10 pm

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tontoz wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Seraphin is becomming a fascinating player to watch develop. What really stood out to me yesterday was his ability to catch the ball on the break off the bounce and finish. That makes me wonder if he can develop into a fulltime 4? If he can run the floor like that and continue to work on a 15 foot pick & pop game, why not?



A lot of 4s are perimeter oriented players and i don't want Seraphin having to chase them around. I want him in the middle anchoring the D. I think that is his biggest strength as a player.


We could play more zone with that lineup in. Also I don't think we should dictate our lineup based on what some other teams might do. We should put put best lineup out there and have them gameplan for us. If we are facing a finesse 4 we should pound the ball inside to start a game. No need to let other teams dictate what we do.


agree. That said, it's notable that a whole lot of NBA coaches DON"T
think this way. I see it as a game of chicken. Which team can more
fully exploit their respective strengths and do it before their own
weakness are used against them? It seems to me that a lot of
coaches prefer to play it safe.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#952 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:10 pm

tontoz wrote:One thing that has been bugging me about Seraphin lately is that he doesn't attack the rim. He is generally looking for the first available shot instead of forcing the defender to stop him from getting to the rim and dunking.

With his strength and mobility he could take advatage of a lot of centers off the dribble.

I think he's afraid to dribble in traffic. He's not sure enough about his ball handling. It's something he'll probably work on over time.
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Post#953 » by dobrojim » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:13 pm

plus as long as he can do the simple thing, a 2-3 dribble back down
(once the space is clear from a double team), he's pretty good with
that jump hook and as wide as he is, it's a tough shot to defend.
If you have something simple that works, don't worry about making
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Post#954 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:26 pm

Maybe it is just a confidence issue. But if he can learn to shoot an effective jump hook with both hands he should be able to learn a 1/2 dribble drive. He could really cause a lot of problems for the other team if he ever starts to attack, not just with scoring but also drawing fouls on the opposing bigs. If the defense cuts him off then he can fall back on his hook.
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Post#955 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:09 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:One thing that has been bugging me about Seraphin lately is that he doesn't attack the rim. He is generally looking for the first available shot instead of forcing the defender to stop him from getting to the rim and dunking.

With his strength and mobility he could take advatage of a lot of centers off the dribble.

I think he's afraid to dribble in traffic. He's not sure enough about his ball handling. It's something he'll probably work on over time.


If tossed the ball in the post, Kevin will post-up though.
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Post#956 » by azer95 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:30 pm

You'll find below the last post from Kevin Seraphin in a french sport website! Sorry if there are some English mistakes.

"I feel better and better for three weeks. After a first half of the season where my minutes played was irregular, I spend more time now on the ground and I produce good performance, which allows me to progress and develop my confidence. It is really fun! I know I still have to work my game, but I feel I'm progressing every day. Training is fine, but the most important thing is to play games. When you play against players like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Tyson Chandler, you learn a lot. I can say that I am currently living my best time since my beginning in the league.

The game against the Lakers was very important for me, I felt great that night. The win was nice and I made a very good performance against the twin towers, Bynum and Gasol. Both are strong and talented! Both are two formidable players who complement each other perfectly. Bynum is a center heavy and Gasol have a very good mobility for his size. Personally, I prefer to defend interiors like Bynum. I prefer the physical match-up because I still have a little trouble against players like Pau mobile for example.

I start to have a role in the team, but what is important for me is to have the confidence of my coach and my teammates. Randy Wittman talks to me and advises me, and I appreciate that. He wants that the team progresses and he’s very demanding with the players, and I think it's the person we need. I don’t know yet what will happen to him in the offseason, but I really want him to stay with us. I am sure it will help us to become a competitive team. Regarding my teammates, I feel that their confidence in me and in the players of the front line is increasing. During the first half of the season, the ball almost never happened to us, the "big". I'm not going to hide that it was quite frustrating. But today, Jan Vesely, Trevor Booker and I can give something to the team because we have more the ball during the game.

We lived some move with the end of the transfer period. This is something very special to live because we don’t know what happens behind the scenes. Players don’t control anything. But we must accept it; it is one part of the business in the NBA. The group knew that JaVale McGee would be exchanged but the departure of Ronny Turiaf and Nick Young has surprised many players. It was strange to see them go because they are two very good friends, but I'm still glad to see they’re in teams that will play the title. I wish them both a lot of successes. I still think that everybody wins in this trade.

Brian Cook and Nene have joined us a few days ago. These are two very good players who are adding their experience in the team. I was often compared to Nene since the beginning of my career, and I'm very happy to now be his teammate. It's a great player, one of the best centers in the NBA. When he arrived in the team, we immediately had a good feeling. He is a very nice and open minded guy who will help me to progress. After the first training session he told me: "Kevin, I'll take under my wing." I will not miss the opportunity to be helped by a player like him!

About the team, I think that even if we don’t win a lot of games, the roster is progressing. The playoffs are over for us this season, but we begin to work for the next season. The goal for the rest of the season is to work on systems and details in order to progress as a team. Even if our season is not good in term of win, I am convinced that the team has a future. From a personal point of view, my goal for the rest of the season is to be the number one on the bench behind Nene and Trevor Booker. The coach leaves me the opportunity to show what I can do in the game; it’s now up to me to prove what I can bring to the team.

Kevin Séraphin."

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Post#957 » by jivelikenice » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:38 pm

I love Booker, but want to get an extensive look at Seraphin at the 4. Booker is not going to be a starter in the future. I think he projects to being a high quality reserve. If that's his role then lets get him accustomed to it now and see how good Seraphin could actually be?
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Post#958 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:45 pm

jivelikenice wrote:I love Booker, but want to get an extensive look at Seraphin at the 4. Booker is not going to be a starter in the future. I think he projects to being a high quality reserve. If that's his role then lets get him accustomed to it now and see how good Seraphin could actually be?

"The game against the Lakers was very important for me, I felt great that night. The win was nice and I made a very good performance against the twin towers, Bynum and Gasol. Both are strong and talented! Both are two formidable players who complement each other perfectly. Bynum is a center heavy and Gasol have a very good mobility for his size. Personally, I prefer to defend interiors like Bynum. I prefer the physical match-up because I still have a little trouble against players like Pau mobile for example."
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Post#959 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:47 pm

azer95 wrote:You'll find below the last post from Kevin Seraphin in a french sport website! Sorry if there are some English mistakes.




Thanks for the info. Kevin has been very impressive this year. We are hoping he gets more time on the court.
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Post#960 » by jivelikenice » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:49 pm

Ruzious wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:I love Booker, but want to get an extensive look at Seraphin at the 4. Booker is not going to be a starter in the future. I think he projects to being a high quality reserve. If that's his role then lets get him accustomed to it now and see how good Seraphin could actually be?

"The game against the Lakers was very important for me, I felt great that night. The win was nice and I made a very good performance against the twin towers, Bynum and Gasol. Both are strong and talented! Both are two formidable players who complement each other perfectly. Bynum is a center heavy and Gasol have a very good mobility for his size. Personally, I prefer to defend interiors like Bynum. I prefer the physical match-up because I still have a little trouble against players like Pau mobile for example."


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