WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

F N 11 · Post #941 » by **F N 11** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:43 pm

I agree with Hahn that as soon as you demand a trade at age 23 I’m done with you. The inmates don’t run the asylum.

Also said he refused to go to the G league and he was mumbling about his playing time off rip. This entitled MF.

Good riddance

FemaleDogPlease · Post #942 » by **FemaleDogPlease** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:43 pm

KnicksGod wrote:You know, it is a very reasonable thing now to worry that we're going to give Kanter a huge deal.

It's really not. No incentive to give him away. Knicks may be able to retain him on a reasonable deal. We don't know what the market is going to be like this summer.

Post #943 » by **Manhattan Project** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:43 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Manhattan Project wrote:Absolutely terrible trade. I hope we Kanter on a max deal...

Don’t you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

Bring back Layden
Bring back Zeke
Bring back Mo Taylor
Bring back Steve Francis
Bring back Charles Smith

We essentially just trade Willy for the price of Weis. This organization once again proved its clueless. KP goes down, Willy would’ve had a role. Instead we’re gonna bring back O’Quinn and Kaner probably.

reub · Post #944 » by **reub** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:43 pm

Checked out Herring’s tweets, and while he does generally think the Willy trade is okay, he did say this;

“The real problem wasn’t trading him — it was failing to play him in a rebuilding year.”

Post #945 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:45 pm

48 pages on trading a guy who barely played (and i loved

) for 2 second rounders vs. 52 pages on the KP injury... this is why i love this fanbase lol

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #946 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:45 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Manhattan Project wrote:Absolutely terrible trade. I hope we Kanter on a max deal...

Don’t you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

Bring back Layden
Bring back Zeke
Bring back Mo Taylor
Bring back Steve Francis
Bring back Charles Smith

We essentially just trade Willy for the price of Weis. This organization once again proved its clueless. KP goes down, Willy would’ve had a role. Instead we’re gonna bring back O’Quinn and Kaner probably.

Can we bring back Jeffries at least? Always did feel like he was unfairly shat on. Was he good? No, but I think that's because of his role. When we actually put good players around him, he looked better and the team played better. He did the little things.

Sark · Post #947 » by **Sark** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:45 pm

reub wrote:Checked out Herring’s tweets, and while he does generally think the Willy trade is okay, he did say this;

“The real problem wasn’t trading him — it was failing to play him in a rebuilding year.”

Chris Herring: water is wet, and the Knicks are dumb.

Synciere · Post #948 » by **Synciere** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:46 pm

reub wrote:I'm getting tired of saying this to you. Let's say that he was outplayed in practice. Still the most prudent course for the team would be to play him enough to increase his trade value. Not to let him rot on the bench and ruin his trade value.

First of all, who is you?! Imagine how much I don't care you're getting tired.

And I've addressed that point several times already. If he's not good enough to beat Kyle O'Quinn for minutes, there's absolutely no guarantee he's good enough to increase his trade value. Based on the reasons for his benching and his position, its more likely he would've DECREASED his trade value.

Post #949 » by **K_ick_God** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:46 pm

FemaleDogPlease wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:You know, it is a very reasonable thing now to worry that we're going to give Kanter a huge deal.

It's really not. No incentive to give him away. Knicks may be able to retain him on a reasonable deal. We don't know what the market is going to be like this summer.

We don't need Kanter on this team.

Sark · Post #950 » by **Sark** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:47 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:48 pages on trading a guy who barely played (and i loved ) for 2 second rounders vs. 52 pages on the KP injury... this is why i love this fanbase lol

What else should be said about KP's injury? It's probably about 45 pages more than it needs to be.

Post #951 » by **Manhattan Project** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:47 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Can we bring back Jeffries at least? Always did feel like he was unfairly shat on. Was he good? No, but I think that's because of his role. When we actually put good players around him, he looked better and the team played better. He did the little things.

Call me Sefi, I don’t give a damn anymore.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #952 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:49 pm

Synciere wrote:
reub wrote:I'm getting tired of saying this to you. Let's say that he was outplayed in practice. Still the most prudent course for the team would be to play him enough to increase his trade value. Not to let him rot on the bench and ruin his trade value.

First of all, who is you?! Imagine how much I don't care you're getting tired.

And I've addressed that point several times already. If he's not good enough to beat Kyle O'Quinn for minutes, there's absolutely no guarantee he's good enough to increase his trade value. Based on the reasons for his benching and his position, its more likely he would've DECREASED his trade value.

He was not competing with KOQ for time, it was Enes. KOQ is the only big we have who can play with any big we have on this team. Willy, as much as I like him, had no business whatsoever playing with Enes and because we were only running a 3 man rotation at the 4/5 (with true bigs), Willy got the short end of the stick. Willy and Enes had the same role on this team. IMO, the team made a mistake in giving the minutes to Enes, but it is what it is.

reub · Post #953 » by **reub** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:49 pm

Synciere wrote:
reub wrote:I'm getting tired of saying this to you. Let's say that he was outplayed in practice. Still the most prudent course for the team would be to play him enough to increase his trade value. Not to let him rot on the bench and ruin his trade value.

First of all, who is you?! Imagine how much I don't care you're getting tired.

And I've addressed that point several times already. If he's not good enough to beat Kyle O'Quinn for minutes, there's absolutely no guarantee he's good enough to increase his trade value. Based on the reasons for his benching and his position, its more likely he would've DECREASED his trade value.

“The real problem wasn’t trading him — it was failing to play him in a rebuilding year.”

Chris Herring

Post #954 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:49 pm

Sark wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:48 pages on trading a guy who barely played (and i loved ) for 2 second rounders vs. 52 pages on the KP injury... this is why i love this fanbase lol

What else should be said about KP's injury? It's probably about 45 pages more than it needs to be.

The point was how we break down the minutiae of just about anything knicks-related far more than the average fanbase. I love the loyalty and interest we have in our **** franchise.

DrCoach · Post #955 » by **DrCoach** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:49 pm

2020 and 2021 Knick’s draft Players better than Willie, Willie doesn’t last in NBA.

Knick Fans forget the uproar

DrCoach · Post #956 » by **DrCoach** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:50 pm

Willie Asked to be traded.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #957 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:50 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:Can we bring back Jeffries at least? Always did feel like he was unfairly shat on. Was he good? No, but I think that's because of his role. When we actually put good players around him, he looked better and the team played better. He did the little things.

Call me Sefi, I don’t give a damn anymore.

I'm almost done!

Post #958 » by **j4remi** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:51 pm

KnicksGod wrote:You know, it is a very reasonable thing now to worry that we're going to give Kanter a huge deal.

The idea of him opting out and us signing him long term just flashed across my mind and really put me in a mood.

Dr. Detfink · Post #959 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:51 pm

You can thank DJ Jazzy Jeff Hornacek who reduced Hernangomez to his lowest value possible. NOW, you can use the "Phil Jackson is trying to reduce the value of Melo!" clause. There was NO WAY the Knicks were getting anything better than an opportunity to draft the next Toney Douglas...

The other young player who is de-valued, Damyean Dotson. This kid can HELP the Knicks IF their damn coach has the sac to understand a short bench is the expressway to having multiple starters injured regularly.

Synciere · Post #960 » by **Synciere** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:52 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Synciere wrote:
reub wrote:I'm getting tired of saying this to you. Let's say that he was outplayed in practice. Still the most prudent course for the team would be to play him enough to increase his trade value. Not to let him rot on the bench and ruin his trade value.

First of all, who is you?! Imagine how much I don't care you're getting tired.

And I've addressed that point several times already. If he's not good enough to beat Kyle O'Quinn for minutes, there's absolutely no guarantee he's good enough to increase his trade value. Based on the reasons for his benching and his position, its more likely he would've DECREASED his trade value.

He was not competing with KOQ for time, it was Enes. KOQ is the only big we have who can play with any big we have on this team. Willy, as much as I like him, had no business whatsoever playing with Enes and because we were only running a 3 man rotation at the 4/5 (with true bigs), Willy got the short end of the stick. Willy and Enes had the same role on this team. IMO, the team made a mistake in giving the minutes to Enes, but it is what it is.

I used O'Quinn to be nice, but I do agree with your premise that Willy's main competition was probably Enes. Where I disagree with everyone is this notion that we shouldn't have been playing Enes, who quite frankly had been BALLING at times, for Willy, who...... hadn't. Where's the accountability?