2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[ash_k]

I think Gobert would be a mistake with his age and huge contract. Mitchell I would be ok with if the asking price is right. 25yrs old, still fits in with the long bois with his +9" wingspan differential, and he's a dynamic backcourt scorer, which we've lacked up until Pascal started to show that later this year. Contract similar to Pascal's and runs through '24-'25.

Rudy has never had any significant injury. He does NOT rely on athleticism. He just relies on his height, Wingspan and great mobility at that size. As long as he does not add any weight: The Rudy you see now will be the same in 5 years. Always in top-shape!

The stuff highlighted in this video is why I think trading for a 29-year old Gobert and paying him 40M+ per season through '25-'26 is an absolute non-starter for me.

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A 3xDPOY before hitting 30 will always get the MAX.
That Utah Jazz breakdown tape is unimportant: That's Utah, not us. The point would be fitting a 3xDPOY with our top perimeter defenders/2-way players. FVV+GTJ+OG+Pascal+Gobert beat that Mavericks team in the first round easily.
But we know getting Gobert would mean having to include one of FVV&Pascal and It is not an option. Our center needs to be able to shoot like Myles Turner

[S ID]

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[ash_k]

Luke Kennard would be a fantastic 6th man.

I don’t think they give him up.

Y'all have now followed the team long enough to know if you can't defend at a high-level, under Nurse ,then you can't play for us(rightfully so!)..more so without any rim&paint protection outside of 215lbs CB25 barely playing 20mins

[agkagk]

More and more I'm thinking that it's unrealistic for us to do a big time trade this offseason and mostly rely on internal growth and re-signings, our pick, and our MLE to add onto what we have.

If there's one trade I'm really buying into, it's one where we try and get RJ Barrett. If Mitchell is getting traded, rather than gunning for him, I would be interested in getting involved in a 3-way trade with the Jazz and Knicks. Somehow if we could swap Trent for Barett, that would be fantastic.

Outgoing are the #32 pick from Toronto and #11 pick from NY to the Jazz.

Makes no sense for the Jazz. They would simply cut Toronto out and take Barrett for themselves.

Just for thinking about this proposals makes me want to apologize to jazz fans.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Rudy has never had any significant injury. He does NOT rely on athleticism. He just relies on his height, Wingspan and great mobility at that size. As long as he does not add any weight: The Rudy you see now will be the same in 5 years. Always in top-shape!

The stuff highlighted in this video is why I think trading for a 29-year old Gobert and paying him 40M+ per season through '25-'26 is an absolute non-starter for me.

Watch on YouTube

A 3xDPOY before hitting 30 will always get the MAX.
That Utah Jazz breakdown tape is unimportant: That's Utah, not us. The point would be fitting a 3xDPOY with our top perimeter defenders/2-way players. FVV+GTJ+OG+Pascal+Gobert beat that Mavericks team in the first round easily.
But we know getting Gobert would mean having to include one of FVV&Pascal and It is not an option. Our center needs to be able to shoot like Myles Turner

when you thnk our perimeter sscoring coudn't get any worse. lol ya we need another trade if this one were to go through. we need a scoring big man next to Gobert.

[sidsid]

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This has been my read on it too. Gobert being seen as a patch for lottery defenses and turning them into a floor of a second round playoff team has its uses, but it's only going to get you so far. The better idea is how he'd look on a team with competent defenders, and seeing how high it raises your ceiling.

I think he's potentially too old, and he wouldn't retain his trade value if we did ship out Fred and Gary for him... But I would like to see a team like that.

Gobert
Precious
Barnes
OG
Siakam

Just curious to see it on the floor.

[First Step]

I know fans aren’t necessarily going to like it but I think if Gobert is available Masai is all over it.
I genuinely don’t believe our starting lineup is working and I think somebody has to be traded from it. There’s no point in discussing Fred or Gary coming off the bench. Even if it makes the most sense, it’s just never going to happen with Nick as head coach. I like Nick but accountability of his top players isn’t something he does. I really do think Fred probably has to be traded. Maybe Gary as well. Pascal and Scottie have developed beautiful chemistry together. I would keep them together.

Fred’s not a dumb guy. I think he sees the writing on the wall and may welcome a bench role. He could thrive in that position.

[Kordic27]

If the suns don’t want to max Ayton, is there a S&T option there?

[Spida888]

If the suns don’t want to max Ayton, is there a S&T option there?

If the mavs beat the suns then I can see some moves but not sure we have anything that interests them.

Also, I don’t want to give Ayton the max. Not sure he’s worth it.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Raptors defiantly interested in Gobert but how do you get a deal done without giving up way too many shooters(2 when we only have 3 total lol) or Siakam.

[agkagk]

I know fans aren’t necessarily going to like it but I think if Gobert is available Masai is all over it.
I genuinely don’t believe our starting lineup is working and I think somebody has to be traded from it. There’s no point in discussing Fred or Gary coming off the bench. Even if it makes the most sense, it’s just never going to happen with Nick as head coach. I like Nick but accountability of his top players isn’t something he does. I really do think Fred probably has to be traded. Maybe Gary as well. Pascal and Scottie have developed beautiful chemistry together. I would keep them together.

Fred’s not a dumb guy. I think he sees the writing on the wall and may welcome a bench role. He could thrive in that position.

Yes Fred sees the writing the wall.

He was an all star pg this season. By definition that means he was top 4 or 5 at his position going into the all star break.

Fred is also aware that pg is the most important position in the game.

Fred sees all.

If only our fan base could.

[Psubs]

So Oladipo is playing for the vet min of $2.4 million this season.

Is there any chance he'll sign for the MLE for 4 years with max raises as he's turning 30 in 3 days? Maybe give him a 3rd year player option if he does a 4th year team option?

[Ell Curry]

I know fans aren’t necessarily going to like it but I think if Gobert is available Masai is all over it.
I genuinely don’t believe our starting lineup is working and I think somebody has to be traded from it. There’s no point in discussing Fred or Gary coming off the bench. Even if it makes the most sense, it’s just never going to happen with Nick as head coach. I like Nick but accountability of his top players isn’t something he does. I really do think Fred probably has to be traded. Maybe Gary as well. Pascal and Scottie have developed beautiful chemistry together. I would keep them together.

Fred’s not a dumb guy. I think he sees the writing on the wall and may welcome a bench role. He could thrive in that position.

Yes Fred sees the writing the wall.

He was an all star pg this season. By definition that means he was top 4 or 5 at his position going into the all star break.

Fred is also aware that pg is the most important position in the game.

Fred sees all.

If only our fan base could.

I think we'd trade Trent before Fred.

Weird to say Nurse doesn't keep his top players accountable when he apparently was damn near at war with Siakam and now Pascal is an all-NBA 3rd team type again.

[Ell Curry]

If the suns don’t want to max Ayton, is there a S&T option there?

OG and Birch works kinda perfectly for Phoenix I think because it saves Sarver money, gives them a Paul-Booker-Bridges-OG 1-4 and they can get a meh center with the Saric/Shamet/Payne/Crowder contracts to start with Birch and McGee as backups.

I'd have to think a long time about it. They'd probably want Precious too.

[Psubs]

If the suns don’t want to max Ayton, is there a S&T option there?

OG and Birch works kinda perfectly for Phoenix I think because it saves Sarver money, gives them a Paul-Booker-Bridges-OG 1-4 and they can get a meh center with the Saric/Shamet/Payne/Crowder contracts to start with Birch and McGee as backups.

I'd have to think a long time about it. They'd probably want Precious too.

Instead, give them Siakam and take Ayton and how ever many 1st picks Masai can negotiate to even things out. I'd send them 2nd picks in those year so make it look like a swap but the Raptors don't care because they are good at undrafted's.

Once again, flip the 1st picks from Phoenix with FVV plus filler and as many 1st picks as it takes to get Beal.

[Ell Curry]

If the suns don’t want to max Ayton, is there a S&T option there?

OG and Birch works kinda perfectly for Phoenix I think because it saves Sarver money, gives them a Paul-Booker-Bridges-OG 1-4 and they can get a meh center with the Saric/Shamet/Payne/Crowder contracts to start with Birch and McGee as backups.

I'd have to think a long time about it. They'd probably want Precious too.

Instead, give them Siakam and take Ayton and how ever many 1st picks Masai can negotiate to even things out. I'd send them 2nd picks in those year so make it look like a swap but the Raptors don't care because they are good at undrafted's.

Once again, flip the 1st picks from Phoenix with FVV plus filler and as many 1st picks as it takes to get Beal.

Siakam saves Sarver no money, might as well just keep Ayton if you're them. I guess we could take back some bad money in the form of Shamet and Saric.

[OAKLEY_2]

OG and Birch works kinda perfectly for Phoenix I think because it saves Sarver money, gives them a Paul-Booker-Bridges-OG 1-4 and they can get a meh center with the Saric/Shamet/Payne/Crowder contracts to start with Birch and McGee as backups.

I'd have to think a long time about it. They'd probably want Precious too.

Instead, give them Siakam and take Ayton and how ever many 1st picks Masai can negotiate to even things out. I'd send them 2nd picks in those year so make it look like a swap but the Raptors don't care because they are good at undrafted's.

Once again, flip the 1st picks from Phoenix with FVV plus filler and as many 1st picks as it takes to get Beal.

Siakam saves Sarver no money, might as well just keep Ayton if you're them. I guess we could take back some bad money in the form of Shamet and Saric.

I predict we sign both Boucher and Thad as the defacto offseason and that Malachi gets dealt. Armoni is likely Fred's back-up. I would like to see them backfill three positions with the 33rd pick and maybe sign some undrafted players like big Drew Timme. Not sure if Yuta will still have a home.

[HumbleRen]

how do we steal brandon clarke

[Dr Positivity]

Raptors trade Anunoby, Trent, Birch
Jazz trade Gobert, O'Neale

A lot to give up but FVV/O'Neale/Barnes/Siakam/Gobert would be really good and championship level supporting cast if Barnes became an MVP candidate in a few years.

The Jazz trade Conley for a big. Then play Mitchell at PG with Trent at SG and Anunoby at PF. Creates the type of wing 3/D they need.

[Holla]

FVV + flynn + Boucher future first for Beal and gafford
Sign javale
Give scottie full time PG duties

Scottie/Banton
Beal/Trent Jr
OG/Yuta
Pascal/precious
Gafford/javale

Can we make that happen?