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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#941 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:05 pm

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Sure. Go do the math.

Kinda what I thought.


That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.


At this point, BBallFreak made a good point that even common sense for most would suffice. I, for one, do not need hard evidence to see the sense in his point. Ignoring the data during Spo’s best players era and not ignoring the other coaches best player eras is what is called bias.

HeatFanLifer, remove the bias, or compare all coaches using the same bias. You can’t compare biased data with unbiased data. That should have been your job to do when bringing your data, otherwise your data was incomplete and inconclusive. BBallFreak merely pointed this deficiency out.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#942 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:06 pm

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I'm sorry bro but having Bam and Embiid together is not a good fit. Also, Bam is gone if Miami ever wants Embiid. You are smoking some good stuff if you think Herro, Jovic and FRPs gets you a top 3 player that's 28 years old


Would be a horrible move, if that Philly team with Jimmy and Embiid couldn’t win it all this Heat supporting cast with them for damn sure can’t lol. They’d better have a deal for Dame lined up and Micky better get the checkbook out


Geez how many missed games with that trio? ( Butler/Dame/Embiid )

Gotta give it up to Bam, he's been durable.


Dame is pretty durable over the years, Embiid and Jimmy not so much. They’ll need a 3rd star.

Simmons
Redick
Jimmy
Tobias
Embiid

That team couldn’t get it done with a younger Jimmy and that’s when Simmons was a legit all star and all nba defender while putting up 17-9-8 a night. Many follow up moves will be needed to compete with that teams talent
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#943 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:09 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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Would be a horrible move, if that Philly team with Jimmy and Embiid couldn’t win it all this Heat supporting cast with them for damn sure can’t lol. They’d better have a deal for Dame lined up and Micky better get the checkbook out


Geez how many missed games with that trio? ( Butler/Dame/Embiid )

Gotta give it up to Bam, he's been durable.


Dame is pretty durable over the years, Embiid and Jimmy not so much. They’ll need a 3rd star.

Simmons
Redick
Jimmy
Tobias
Embiid

That team couldn’t get it done with a younger Jimmy and that’s when Simmons was a legit all star and all nba defender while putting up 17-9-8 a night. Many follow up moves will be needed to compete with that teams talent


A good team but they didn't win ****. Bad GM moves.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#944 » by Kobewade11 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:11 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Yeah…I’m getting kind of tired of ppl putting Bam and Jimmy in the same sentence. I know Jimmy has started to check out in some games this year (ppl need to stop acting like it’s been an every year thing with him :roll: ). And I know Bam’s paid street team is on here and Twitter night and day gassing him up, but let’s stop kidding ourselves. If Bam gets there (hopefully we don’t have to give him another six years to show improvement) GREAT. But it’s getting disrespectful in the here and now. Because if you Give us two Jimmy types we cruise to 50 win status. We would be right there with Boston’s Tatum and Brown tandem. There is a reason we aren’t.

I mean are any of you really lying to yourselves to say Jimmy + Bam is equal to them? Stop it.

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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#945 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:18 pm

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Post#946 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:31 pm

Trae young game winner at the buzzer, bulls about to win. Both the Hawks and Bulls gaining on us fast, that’s the embarrassing harsh reality of this abysmal roster
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#947 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:32 pm

Screw it, im excited to see if Lowry can contribute and if he was truly hurt over that last stretch we saw from him. He had some really solid games early in the year
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#948 » by HeatFanLifer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:45 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:No, that you have an agenda.


I mean I am not hiding my stance. I just backed it up with facts. You are empty handed with no info. I have an agenda and you have nothing.

Cute.

We've seen a lot of coaches flounder without talent. Gregg Popovich is a fantastic example. Did he suddenly lose touch and get senile overnight, or did the talent retire? The fact that Spo has been that kind of good after LBJ left and Bosh went down with blood clots is pretty much amazing, but people like you want to ignore what he's actually done in this league because, for whatever reason, you don't like a coach who's considered the best in the business by NBA GM's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10051197-erik-spoelstra-voted-best-hc-over-steve-kerr-gregg-popovich-in-nba-app-gm-survey

That's your privilege but you're not winning any arguments when you're up against NBA GMs who flat out think you're wrong. I really can't give credence to your opinion when so many better qualified (hell, qualified at all) believe the complete opposite of you.

EDIT: And I've got the opinion of a consensus of NBA GMs in my hand. Facts...


When you tell me what I said in my post about Spo’s record without the big 3, we’ll have a debate. You asked for the record of coaches without their star player, I said go find out. You still haven’t. Until you pull that info, I’m happy for you that you have a poll from the start of the season before this disaster of a year. For the record, GMs voted the Heat for having the best offseason in 2021 (Drob & Lowry signed).

It's clear that NBA GMs are high on Miami's signing of Kyle Lowry, given that they didn't make many other major moves this offseason and still took home the title for best offseason with ease.

The Heat received 47% of votes for best offseason with the Lakers trailing at 17%. Ensuingly, the addition of Lowry earned 77% of votes for which player acquisition would make the biggest impact


https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/nba-gm-survey-mvp-title-favorite/u83952figuhk1dyae2dr2q5a9

Not sure how much credence I would give to those polls. I look at wins.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#949 » by BBallFreak » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:55 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
I mean I am not hiding my stance. I just backed it up with facts. You are empty handed with no info. I have an agenda and you have nothing.

Cute.

We've seen a lot of coaches flounder without talent. Gregg Popovich is a fantastic example. Did he suddenly lose touch and get senile overnight, or did the talent retire? The fact that Spo has been that kind of good after LBJ left and Bosh went down with blood clots is pretty much amazing, but people like you want to ignore what he's actually done in this league because, for whatever reason, you don't like a coach who's considered the best in the business by NBA GM's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10051197-erik-spoelstra-voted-best-hc-over-steve-kerr-gregg-popovich-in-nba-app-gm-survey

That's your privilege but you're not winning any arguments when you're up against NBA GMs who flat out think you're wrong. I really can't give credence to your opinion when so many better qualified (hell, qualified at all) believe the complete opposite of you.

EDIT: And I've got the opinion of a consensus of NBA GMs in my hand. Facts...


When you tell me what I said in my post about Spo’s record without the big 3, we’ll have a debate. You asked for the record of coaches without their star player, I said go find out. You still haven’t. Until you pull that info, I’m happy for you that you have a poll from the start of the season before this disaster of a year. For the record, GMs voted the Heat for having the best offseason in 2021 (Drob & Lowry signed).


Not my job. You tell me that Spo is average without talent compared to other great coaches. It's your job to prove that, not mine. As MiamiLoyal926 pointed out, the burden of proof is on you. You made half an argument and used it as a way to knock our coach down a peg. That doesn't fly. Make the entire argument or make no argument.

It's clear that NBA GMs are high on Miami's signing of Kyle Lowry, given that they didn't make many other major moves this offseason and still took home the title for best offseason with ease.

The Heat received 47% of votes for best offseason with the Lakers trailing at 17%. Ensuingly, the addition of Lowry earned 77% of votes for which player acquisition would make the biggest impact


https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/nba-gm-survey-mvp-title-favorite/u83952figuhk1dyae2dr2q5a9

Not sure how much credence I would give to those polls. I look at wins.


Yes. you can totally base an offseason on what happens a year later. Never mind the fact that Lowry was instrumental in getting us the top seed in the East last year, this year completely negates that. Yada yada yada, wah, wah, wah.

But you go on believing that you'd make a better coach than Erik Spoelstra and a better GM than Pat Riley. I'm done with the negativity on this board. Fair criticisms? Sure, that's fine, but half-assed agenda filled nonsense that isn't even a complete argument? No thanks...
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#950 » by Timantha » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:56 pm

Damn our next 5 games is Philly (2x), Knicks and then Hawks (2x). We could really end up as 9th or 10th seed if we keep playing like poo :lol:
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Post#951 » by HeatFanLifer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:58 pm

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:Kinda what I thought.


That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.


At this point, BBallFreak made a good point that even common sense for most would suffice. I, for one, do not need hard evidence to see the sense in his point. Ignoring the data during Spo’s best players era and not ignoring the other coaches best player eras is what is called bias.

HeatFanLifer, remove the bias, or compare all coaches using the same bias. You can’t compare biased data with unbiased data. That should have been your job to do when bringing your data, otherwise your data was incomplete and inconclusive. BBallFreak merely pointed this deficiency out.


That’s not how this works man. It’s literally a logical fallacy to appeal to a lack of evidence and use that to claim the opposite is true. He’s welcome to pull up the data he requested. This isn’t an academic project.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#952 » by HeatFanLifer » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:04 pm

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You tell me that Spo is average without talent compared to other great coaches.


Did I say Spo is average? I don’t see that in my post (below). Not gonna let the thread de-rail anymore. Stop lying bro. Smh

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Let’s discuss Spo’s record without the big 3:

468 wins 394 losses .54 win %.

5 playoff series wins.
1 finals appearance
1 ECF appearance

Definitely respectable, but not as impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/spoeler99c.html
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Post#953 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:17 pm

Spos an amazing coach, he’s having a bad season. The equal opportunity offense is obviously horrible. It is what it is, he’s going to be here for a long time and we’re lucky to have him.
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Post#954 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:20 pm

Man, the Lakers traded a large expiring, Pat Bev, 1 1sts and 3 2nds and went from the laughing stock of the league to a legit contender barring health. Completely changed the outlook of their season. They made the 05-06 Heat overhaul moves. Hopefully we do something big this summer.

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Post#955 » by BBallFreak » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:24 pm

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HeatFanLifer wrote:
That you’re too lazy to prove a point? Ok bro.


At this point, BBallFreak made a good point that even common sense for most would suffice. I, for one, do not need hard evidence to see the sense in his point. Ignoring the data during Spo’s best players era and not ignoring the other coaches best player eras is what is called bias.

HeatFanLifer, remove the bias, or compare all coaches using the same bias. You can’t compare biased data with unbiased data. That should have been your job to do when bringing your data, otherwise your data was incomplete and inconclusive. BBallFreak merely pointed this deficiency out.


That’s not how this works man. It’s literally a logical fallacy to appeal to a lack of evidence and use that to claim the opposite is true. He’s welcome to pull up the data he requested. This isn’t an academic project.

Actually, dude, you're 100% wrong. You can't hold him up to other great coaches and say he lags behind without the big 3 and not tell us how they did without their top end talent. No coach does well without talent. You're not saying anything revolutionary or even interesting. You're stating the obvious. How has Popp been without TD, Manu, and Parker? How did Kerr do without Curry and Durant? These things make a difference. You cannot hold Spo to a different standard than you hold the other coaches. As I said, it makes you look petty.

I'm not doing your work for you. You set out to prove a point that Spoelstra hasn't been a top tier coach without the big 3. Fine. Show us how the other coaches outdid him without their top end talent and maybe we can actually discuss your argument. Otherwise, you're making half an argument...
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#956 » by KingDavid » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:44 pm

What others teams have 7 g-leaguers on their roster? Spo does weird **** all the time and it annoys me, but we don't have the top end talent that's good enough to overcome the slack of the bottom end talent on the roster.

It's not prime KD & Curry, or LeBron & Wade, it's just Jimmy and Bam (& they're fantastic, but they need help). Riley should have put more of an effort into getting higher quality roleplayers vs getting bamboozled by big fish. But that's Monday morning quarterbacking.
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Post#957 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:46 pm

KingDavid wrote:What others teams have 7 g-leaguers on their roster? Spo does weird **** all the time and it annoys me, but we don't have the top end talent that's good enough to overcome the slack of the bottom end talent on the roster.


Yep, top end talent isn’t the problem. It’s the fact we have like 9 undrafted guys on the team.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#958 » by KingDavid » Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:51 pm

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Won't matter if we don't give Jimmy & embiid a good enough roster to compete with.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition 

Post#959 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:01 am

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Stoogey out there pipe dreamin’

Won't matter if we don't give Jimmy & embiid a good enough roster to compete with.

Barry Jackson already setting the ground work for the Heat mindset. Their hope is a star wishing to make their way here or were kind of screwed since we have little to no assets and not much left to grow internally.
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Post#960 » by HeatFanLifer » Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:09 am

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Stoogey out there pipe dreamin’

Won't matter if we don't give Jimmy & embiid a good enough roster to compete with.

Barry Jackson already setting the ground work for the Heat mindset. Their hope is a star wishing to make their way here or were kind of screwed since we have little to no assets and not much left to grow internally.


Yep. Same story, different season.
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