Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[darealjuice]

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Seems like way too much for a back up center. Guess they had to keep him though, otherwise they would have gave up Nurkic and Memphis' 2018 1st rounder for basically nothing.

[SideSwipe]

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Seems like way too much for a back up center. Guess they had to keep him though, otherwise they would have gave up Nurkic and Memphis' 2018 1st rounder for basically nothing.

This late in the FA season it seems like a very advantageous contract for Plumlee. Makes me wonder if they feel that Jokic can play the 4 next to him given how well he plays out of the high post.

[Kerrsed]

And some on this board thought Archie Goodwin was the next big thing. Speaking of, what happened to Marswag Brooks?!?!

Archie kicked ass in summer league his rookie year and he can and still can get to the rim and explode.

But he still can't shoot and obviously he has some other issues (attitude) as the Pelicans, Hornets, and Nets have both given up on him. Hell, the Nets even gave him a multiyear contract and then waived him.

Exactly, Archie was good in those leagues playing against smaller/inferior players because he would drive to the hoop with his head down and plow into people drawing contact. Once he started playing in the league and he tried doing the same thing, it didnt work, as he was dealing with real players, who are built like tanks and could actually defend, so it was like him running into a brick wall or having the ball stripped. Thats when he got frustrated. You have some players that when they get frustrated they try to learn and adapt and make themselves better......then you have Archie, who would pout and keep trying the same **** over and over and over again, getting more and more frustrated with every fail.

[darealjuice]

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Seems like way too much for a back up center. Guess they had to keep him though, otherwise they would have gave up Nurkic and Memphis' 2018 1st rounder for basically nothing.

This late in the FA season it seems like a very advantageous contract for Plumlee. Makes me wonder if they feel that Jokic can play the 4 next to him given how well he plays out of the high post.

Could be, although it didn't work out well last year when they tried it with Jokic and Nurkic

[Bogyo]

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Seems like way too much for a back up center. Guess they had to keep him though, otherwise they would have gave up Nurkic and Memphis' 2018 1st rounder for basically nothing.

This late in the FA season it seems like a very advantageous contract for Plumlee. Makes me wonder if they feel that Jokic can play the 4 next to him given how well he plays out of the high post.

Or they are planning to move Manimal, and need a backup 4/5 locked up.

[bwgood77]

Seems like way too much for a back up center. Guess they had to keep him though, otherwise they would have gave up Nurkic and Memphis' 2018 1st rounder for basically nothing.

This late in the FA season it seems like a very advantageous contract for Plumlee. Makes me wonder if they feel that Jokic can play the 4 next to him given how well he plays out of the high post.

Could be, although it didn't work out well last year when they tried it with Jokic and Nurkic

Well, and they have Paul Millsap. I think there was some talk of them playing some minutes together at one point, though it may have been Zach Lowe talking about them potentially doing it or something.

That is a very good deal for Plumlee in this market for a backup C. They really had to pay him whatever it took to keep them or trading away a pick AND Nurkic for him would have even looked dumber than it already did.

I think Len and JaMychal Green might be the only two RFA's left.

Edit: I see I just stated the same thing you did above in my second paragraph.

[Qwigglez]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

[Mulhollanddrive]

You can get Len's production for $3m in any off-season, anything more is a potential premium.

[carey]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

I'm sure you can sign Len today if you want to give him $13M a year.

[batsmasher]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

I'm sure you can sign Len today if you want to give him $13M a year.

Right now you'd have to say he's more likely to take the QO than get anything over $10M.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

I'm sure you can sign Len today if you want to give him $13M a year.

Right now you'd have to say he's more likely to take the QO than get anything over $10M.

I wouldn't be surprised if Plumlee and Bogut were dominoes that needed to fall before something happened with Alex. There's still lots of potential there. I just don't think his future's in Phoenix. And I certainly don't think anyone's backing up the brinks truck for him.

[Saberestar]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

That would be an overpay IMO.

Mason Plumlee is a solid player, you know what you get from him on the court day in, day out...but Len is not consistent at all.

And Plumlee is a very good passer and that is a big plus for a C.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

That would be an overpay IMO.

Mason Plumlee is a solid player, you know what you get from him on the court day in, day out...but Len is not consistent at all.

And Plumlee is a very good passer and that is a big plus for a C.

It's pretty clear that Alex isn't worth what Mason is, at this point. Alex has yet to have a positive impact on the court, and it's unclear if he ever will. Plumlee may be limited, but he's clearly at least marginally useful.

I fully expect Alex at the QO.

... If Andrew Wiggins is worth $30M per and Gary Harris is worth $20M per, what's TJ worth, ya think?

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[bwgood77]

I'm hoping we can lock up Alex Len to a deal similar to what Plumlee got. My best guess is, as soon as we sign Len we will be actively looking to trade Chandler to maybe Cleveland for Channing Frye or Iman Shumpert.

That would be an overpay IMO.

Mason Plumlee is a solid player, you know what you get from him on the court day in, day out...but Len is not consistent at all.

And Plumlee is a very good passer and that is a big plus for a C.

It's pretty clear that Alex isn't worth what Mason is, at this point. Alex has yet to have a positive impact on the court, and it's unclear if he ever will. Plumlee may be limited, but he's clearly at least marginally useful.

I fully expect Alex at the QO.

... If Andrew Wiggins is worth $30M per and Gary Harris is worth $20M per, what's TJ worth, ya think?

Wiggins isn't worth $30M. But the problem is he will become disgruntled if he doesn't get it. The could always let him go into RFA though and just play hard ball. Perhaps they should since everyone else seems to be doing that now.

Harris is VERY good. It's hard for me to really value what he is worth. I was thinking TJ would probably get somewhere between $12 and $15, but if you are comparing him, relatively speaking, to Harris, he should probably get about $14-16 million. Harris is more effective overall, particularly on offense, and hitting the 3 at the rate he does, 42%, is big....and Harris is a year younger.

TJ is better overall now than Wiggins, but he is a couple years older so Wiggins value is mostly upside.

Here are their comparisons... http://bkref.com/tiny/K0e5B

[bwgood77]

I'm sure you can sign Len today if you want to give him $13M a year.

Right now you'd have to say he's more likely to take the QO than get anything over $10M.

I wouldn't be surprised if Plumlee and Bogut were dominoes that needed to fall before something happened with Alex. There's still lots of potential there. I just don't think his future's in Phoenix. And I certainly don't think anyone's backing up the brinks truck for him.

There is almost no chance he gets near what Plumlee got. I don't think Bogut matters. A team that might want a guy like Bogut is going to be a contender or "contender to be good enough to be the 2nd team in the league", whereas Len would be likely going to a younger team. I haven't thought of what teams might want him or even have cap space left, but it's not many, if any, so I doubt he gets a deal. I'd still probably try to at least get him with a team option for a 2nd year, even if it cost more this year, so if he plays well we have that option, or even 3 years, but I can understand if they want to retain next year's cap space too and don't see him in our long term future under any scenario.

[Kerrsed]

If only Warren could hit the 3 ball.

Thats his MAJOR downside and its a huge one for a SF. Its what hurts his value the most. If he could get it up to around 35%, he would be golden, but shooting just above 25% from 3 is pretty horrible.

[bwgood77]

If only Warren could hit the 3 ball.

Thats his MAJOR downside and its a huge one for a SF. Its what hurts his value the most. If he could get it up to around 35%, he would be golden, but shooting just above 25% from 3 is pretty horrible.

He's shot over 31% for his career, which is still bad, but obviously not as bad as overall last year. Hopefully the low % last year had to do somewhat with the injury. He started off ok, throughout his first 7 games shooting 40%, after shooting 40% the prior year but being on low volume he needs to be a more consistent threat from out there.

To make things worse, we don't know if JJ will fare any better. Our team desperately needs shooting, since Dudley is our only real good 3 pt shooter. Next best is Booker at just over 36%, then Bledsoe at 33.5%. Only other person over 30% is Chriss, at 32.1%.

Not good, particularly since we don't have a backup SG now. We could really use another shooter.

We could have really used Bogdan this year. He shot 43% from 3 in Euroleague this year. And 57% from 2.

[Kerrsed]

What was Warrens mystery injury again?

Still find it very very strange how that whole thing happened and no one knows anything.

[Djedefre]

Jok HAS to get a chance. He’s exactly what we need - a natural, pure shooter, equally capable as a catch&shoot and pull-up option. With Reed and Knight out, Jackson is going to get a fair amount of playing time at SG, but there would still be 10+ minutes left to spare.