Knicks offseason in review on the trade board

[HartfordWhalers]

I just wanted to stop in and invite you all to check out the Knicks Offseason in Review on the trade board --
New York Knicks Grades ranged from a C+ to an F+, with 2 D's and one C in between. Expected wins were centered around two predictions of 26 with one prediction down to 23 and two up at 29 and 30.

It is part of a series of reviews we do https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1602893 with the Knicks being the 5th posted so far (Boston/Philly/Nets/Toronto/Knicks)


And for those interested in track record, the TnT board did this the past two years before this one (but with different posters in 2015 in particular):

2016-- https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1478126 In general the reviews ranged from expecting 33 to 40 wins, with letter grades in a tight range from D to C-.
And the corresponding thread here at the time which grew to a robust 18 pages: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1478128

[Greenie]

If Melo is gone I have us around 23 wins as well.

[3toheadmelo]

Almost all of them thinks we shoulda picked Smith lol....

[3toheadmelo]

If Melo is gone I have us around 23 wins as well.

[Greenie]

If Melo is gone I have us around 23 wins as well.

We are coming for that number 1 spot.

You see Donic in a Knick jersey?



Yasssssss

[Greenie]

Almost all of them thinks we shoulda picked Smith lol....

I'm praying Frank balls out.

[3toheadmelo]

If Melo is gone I have us around 23 wins as well.

We are coming for that number 1 spot.

You see Donic in a Knick jersey?



Yasssssss

Already got the jersey pre ordered fam

[3toheadmelo]

Almost all of them thinks we shoulda picked Smith lol....

I'm praying Frank balls out.

Would be nice having a Kawhi at point guard

Hope he's the one

[Jellybeans]

[Phish Tank]

yeesh.

I'd like 23 wins too, but get off DSJ's nutsacks please. The reviews were bleh.... and giving the Nets an A in the off season grade... GTFOH

[Capn'O]

My views most closely align somewhere between Bondom's and cl2117's. There weren't a lot of big moves to make but I think we should have gone with one of the middling PGs rather than Hardaway, who we should have better gauged the market for. I am glad they did not bring Rose back. The biggest key going forward is whether Mills was able to build a successful staff under him. The front office made some significant shifts and we just have to hope they were the right moves.

Almost all of them thinks we shoulda picked Smith lol....

I'm praying Frank balls out.

Totes.

He's all arms and legs at this point but I want to see a head for the game at both ends plus flashes that star ability could come. I liked both prospects. Smith is more ready to contribute now but Frank could end up being the better overall player.

Seeing as I'd rather the team be bad this year... I can wait.

[shtolky]

Man was Smith's summer league overrated. A pg who scores 17ppg on 45% with 4 assists...ok? But he can sure dunk so I guess that means we should have taken him. Who cares about him, he's not a Knick, when are we gonna stop talking about him. All these raves about how explosive he is yet nothing on his garbage defense. Didn't we just deal with a PG who plays the exact same way? Can't wait to see Frank play and grow.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Our offseason was a big cluster f…but guess that’s to be expected since we started with Phil in charge, then just Mills, then Mills/Perry.

In terms of expectations for next year, if this is the final team then I would expect similar results as last year. Not sure we are bad enough to tank in the east unless we trade Melo.

[Greenie]

Our offseason was a big cluster f…but guess that’s to be expected since we started with Phil in charge, then just Mills, then Mills/Perry.

In terms of expectations for next year, if this is the final team then I would expect similar results as last year. Not sure we are bad enough to tank in the east unless we trade Melo.

We need to hurry up with the trade for the tank.

[Capn'O]

Of the Hotlantic Division teams, I'd rate Philly's offseason as the best and knock Boston down a peg. Generally, it's a little easier for teams that are already good to get guys (Hayward) but I found Boston's approach a little too mixed between the win-now and save for later approach that they didn't really satisfy either. I thought they needed to move one of their better assets + some current youth for additional help now.

Boston obviously has the best team in the division but with all the Cleveland drama they should have emerged as clear favorites to win the east given their resources.

[HartfordWhalers]

yeesh.

I'd like 23 wins too, but get off DSJ's nutsacks please. The reviews were bleh.... and giving the Nets an A in the off season grade... GTFOH

Nets picked up a future 1st, a high 2nd, and Russell with their cap space. (And Crabbe).
Knicks picked up Tim Hardaway Jr and Baker with their cap space.

The grades are about how the teams used the resources they started with and the Knicks started with a much higher pick, but I would be interested in seeing anyone argue that the Knicks used their existing resources better than the Nets.

[shtolky]

yeesh.

I'd like 23 wins too, but get off DSJ's nutsacks please. The reviews were bleh.... and giving the Nets an A in the off season grade... GTFOH

Nets picked up a future 1st, a high 2nd, and Russell with their cap space. (And Crabbe).
Knicks picked up Tim Hardaway Jr and Baker with their cap space.

The grades are about how the teams used the resources they started with and the Knicks started with a much higher pick, but I would be interested in seeing anyone argue that the Knicks used their existing resources better than the Nets.

If you're going to mention moves that seem good, mention that they also now have some of the worst contracts in the league. Crabbe's contract is garbage and he's not good. Carroll's contract is also trash, though "only" two years left. Still, 30m left for him when he barely produces anymore. They got a first from Toronto, but they also gave up a first to acquire Russell. So that's a wash. That Toronto first is likely to be in the mid 20's, nothing special. And they also have Mozgov's horrendous contract. If Russell is the best they did, that to me doesn't scream huge success. Russell may have the sexy 2nd overall pick pedigree and the flashy game, but he's really not that good. With all the excuses that he sucked in his rookie year because of Kobe, he actually shot the ball worse in his 2nd season. I don't think he's suddenly going to turn it up just because he's out of LA. Over the next three seasons they owe 135 million dollars to Carroll, Mozgov, and Crabbe. That's not good. Once they get their picks back after this season, they won't be bad enough for a top 3 pick and won't be good enough for the playoffs.

Am not arguing who used their resources better, but we took on one long term contract this summer, they took on three and acquired an overrated guard who isn't very good. At least THJ has shown improvement, not regression.

[Phish Tank]

yeesh.

I'd like 23 wins too, but get off DSJ's nutsacks please. The reviews were bleh.... and giving the Nets an A in the off season grade... GTFOH

Nets picked up a future 1st, a high 2nd, and Russell with their cap space. (And Crabbe).
Knicks picked up Tim Hardaway Jr and Baker with their cap space.

The grades are about how the teams used the resources they started with and the Knicks started with a much higher pick, but I would be interested in seeing anyone argue that the Knicks used their existing resources better than the Nets.

I never said the Knicks used better resources than the Nets.... I just think most of the reviews are based on the fact that y'all love DSJ so much after watching him in Summer League. Yes, you didn't see Frank, but Frank came off a season and playoffs that lasted from September through the draft and playing him in Summer League would have basically only given him a couple months off whereas all the kids coming out of college had at least 3 months off to workout and prepare. Had Frank even played, he'd have only increased risk of nagging injuries that could potentially have lasted through training camp and preseason.

Also, much of the discussion is about Phil, which is kinda a whole separate discussion from other transactions and shouldn't really be considered in the net offseason grade.

[K_ick_God]

Man was Smith's summer league overrated. A pg who scores 17ppg on 45% with 4 assists...ok? But he can sure dunk so I guess that means we should have taken him. Who cares about him, he's not a Knick, when are we gonna stop talking about him. All these raves about how explosive he is yet nothing on his garbage defense. Didn't we just deal with a PG who plays the exact same way? Can't wait to see Frank play and grow.

Yeah it's bound to turn into nothing much IMO. Dennis could have a good couple of years, I'm sure he will because he does have some definite NBA traits, but I don't see the long-term game changer. He'd just be another reason to be depressed most likely. Fake good.

[thebuzzardman]

This should go well