TheGreenArrow wrote:
dude is bringing the ball up from his knees. Wtf. I don't get the hype with this dude. I get he's crazy athletic. But all of his offense was posting up dudes and dunking. He hasn't actually showed any sort of guard skills.
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TheGreenArrow wrote:
HEZI wrote:N Y K wrote:HEZI wrote:
Nah, he's shown he can play really good defense if he locks in. His strategy has been to stay out of foul trouble so many times you will see him avoid picking up any fouls in the first half and then play more aggressive in the 2nd half. Basically trying to make sure he's always on the floor knowing his team desperately needing him out there. With him still only being 19 years old, if he lands in the right situation where a coach is willing to work with him and hold him accountable and demand more out of him then I have no doubt he can turn into a solid defender. It would also help if he plays on a team that actually has a rim protector unlike that Oklahoma team which basically had no bigman whatsoever.
i simply did not see that last season. to me, defensively he is lazy, has poor instincts, and would be absolutely terrible to KP if he were on this team. god help that rim protector he plays with, because he couldn't keep anyone in front of him last year.
Nah, none of this is true. I just recently came across some of his quotes about his strategy and it confirmed everything I was seeing from him back when he was still playing.
levendis wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:
dude is bringing the ball up from his knees. Wtf. I don't get the hype with this dude. I get he's crazy athletic. But all of his offense was posting up dudes and dunking. He hasn't actually showed any sort of guard skills.
TheGreenArrow wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:spree8 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I like bamba but he does have some flaws that make me hesitant to pick him over the three guys I listed. he does have an inconsistent motor, he easily gets pushed around, not consistent on making reads out of the post.. etc
i can see why you’re very high on him due to his potential though. but I feel like ayton can be the best center in the league if he fixes his motor, bagley can be a very unique player if he gets a consistent jumper, doncic can be a multiple all star if he fixes his defense and puts his athleticism doubts to rest.
i feel like those 3 guys have higher floors than bamba and would most likely reach their ceiling than him imo
Thing I always hated about Ayton is his heart (dunno if that’s really fixable)... he’s got a lot of talent but I wouldn’t want someone who would leave my team hanging in the playoffs. I don’t think Bamba has a motor issue tho... he’s not Bagley, but he puts in work and enjoys playing defense.
Mo is a smart dude who seems to really wanna expand his offensive game even further. I think he could be a KG/Gobert hybrid when it’s all said n done... that’s scary. I dunno if Ayton will ever even be as good as Embiid is right now tho.
Doncic and Bagley have some concerns...not many, but I really don’t have any about Bamba.
i mean i don't think ayton is a lost cause. remember he led arizona to the pac 12 championship. he played like a mad man in that tournament. so it's not like he was a no show all year long, he showed up for a lot of big games too. i was sold on ayton from that tournament tbh. he looked like the #1 pick by far. so if you can get ayton to play with that same mentality in the NBA, that's a really special player we're talking about.
bamba does have an inconsistent motor (not as bad as ayton though). it's one of the main reasons why he's not viewed as a top 3 pick, along with his skinny frame. i personally have bamba #4 on my board, so i still think he's a great player. i just don't think he is a good enough prospect to take him over ayton. but i totally understand why you have him ahead of ayton. i guess it comes down to whether you think ayton's motor is fixable or not.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
spree8 wrote:
I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.
Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.
As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.
I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.
Dude is like a young Bledsoe with Westbrook’s mentality/aggression... def star potential.
newyorker4ever wrote:vallen wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:oh lord
I really don't want him here
man if he falls to #9 idk how you pass. i think hes going to become a great pro. I think hes built for this city. he wants to come here and he wont be afraid. lets do this!
I think people are worried about how much of the offense he was at Okl and all the shots he took and everything else but he's not gonna be that guy in the NBA when he's playing with other good/great players and veterans around him. He's not gonna be the player he was in college cause other players and the NBA coaches won't let him do everything he did at Okl.
Clyde_Style wrote:spree8 wrote:
I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.
Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.
As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.
I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.
Dude is like a young Bledsoe with Westbrook’s mentality/aggression... def star potential.
That's pretty much why I was asking earlier. I had a first impression that Sexton might be a guard in the draft still available at # 9 with legit star potential whose game would translate to the NBA.
Avery was very aggressive about promoting Sexton's intensity, saying it was like something you'd see in players like the original Isiah Thomas. Zeke was a nasty HOF guard with the Pistons regardless of his weirdness as a Knick exec. He was one of the bad boys.
Anyway, what you're saying is more or less what I was wondering about him, i.e. is he coachable? and could he be a team player who becomes a legit defender under Fiz? Does he have enough natural IQ to mold for cohesive team ball?
from the sounds of some of the feedback here, maybe, maybe not. Seems some think he's mediocre on D and may never be a good defender, but
if he is coachable and is a Mitchell type pick, I was wondering about a Sexton-Frank backcourt with Trey being our 2nd unit PG.
Sure, that would probably consign Mudiay to the trash heap as he'd get no time then, but outside of that the real issue is actually Timmy and Lee.
After reading comments here and considering the backcourt situation, it just seems unlikely they'd pick Sexton unless they can line up trades for BOTH Tim and Lee.
They could theoretically sit Lee, but Tim? I don't see it.
So somebody would have to be moved to even consider Sexton IMO.
TheGreenArrow wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:spree8 wrote:
I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.
Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.
As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.
I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.
Dude is like a young Bledsoe with Westbrook’s mentality/aggression... def star potential.
That's pretty much why I was asking earlier. I had a first impression that Sexton might be a guard in the draft still available at # 9 with legit star potential whose game would translate to the NBA.
Avery was very aggressive about promoting Sexton's intensity, saying it was like something you'd see in players like the original Isiah Thomas. Zeke was a nasty HOF guard with the Pistons regardless of his weirdness as a Knick exec. He was one of the bad boys.
Anyway, what you're saying is more or less what I was wondering about him, i.e. is he coachable? and could he be a team player who becomes a legit defender under Fiz? Does he have enough natural IQ to mold for cohesive team ball?
from the sounds of some of the feedback here, maybe, maybe not. Seems some think he's mediocre on D and may never be a good defender, but
if he is coachable and is a Mitchell type pick, I was wondering about a Sexton-Frank backcourt with Trey being our 2nd unit PG.
Sure, that would probably consign Mudiay to the trash heap as he'd get no time then, but outside of that the real issue is actually Timmy and Lee.
After reading comments here and considering the backcourt situation, it just seems unlikely they'd pick Sexton unless they can line up trades for BOTH Tim and Lee.
They could theoretically sit Lee, but Tim? I don't see it.
So somebody would have to be moved to even consider Sexton IMO.
Sexton-burke
Frank-mudiay
Timmy
Thomas
Kanter
Run timmy at the 3 until you find a sutiable deal for him. Whether its at the trade deadline or next summer.
Clyde_Style wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
That's pretty much why I was asking earlier. I had a first impression that Sexton might be a guard in the draft still available at # 9 with legit star potential whose game would translate to the NBA.
Avery was very aggressive about promoting Sexton's intensity, saying it was like something you'd see in players like the original Isiah Thomas. Zeke was a nasty HOF guard with the Pistons regardless of his weirdness as a Knick exec. He was one of the bad boys.
Anyway, what you're saying is more or less what I was wondering about him, i.e. is he coachable? and could he be a team player who becomes a legit defender under Fiz? Does he have enough natural IQ to mold for cohesive team ball?
from the sounds of some of the feedback here, maybe, maybe not. Seems some think he's mediocre on D and may never be a good defender, but
if he is coachable and is a Mitchell type pick, I was wondering about a Sexton-Frank backcourt with Trey being our 2nd unit PG.
Sure, that would probably consign Mudiay to the trash heap as he'd get no time then, but outside of that the real issue is actually Timmy and Lee.
After reading comments here and considering the backcourt situation, it just seems unlikely they'd pick Sexton unless they can line up trades for BOTH Tim and Lee.
They could theoretically sit Lee, but Tim? I don't see it.
So somebody would have to be moved to even consider Sexton IMO.
Sexton-burke
Frank-mudiay
Timmy
Thomas
Kanter
Run timmy at the 3 until you find a sutiable deal for him. Whether its at the trade deadline or next summer.
What? Start Sexton and Burke and bring Frank-Mudiay off the bench?
Waiter! I'll have whatever Green Arrow is smoking
spree8 wrote:
I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.
Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.
As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.
I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.
Dude is like a young Bledsoe with Westbrook’s mentality/aggression... def star potential.
spree8 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:spree8 wrote:
Thing I always hated about Ayton is his heart (dunno if that’s really fixable)... he’s got a lot of talent but I wouldn’t want someone who would leave my team hanging in the playoffs. I don’t think Bamba has a motor issue tho... he’s not Bagley, but he puts in work and enjoys playing defense.
Mo is a smart dude who seems to really wanna expand his offensive game even further. I think he could be a KG/Gobert hybrid when it’s all said n done... that’s scary. I dunno if Ayton will ever even be as good as Embiid is right now tho.
Doncic and Bagley have some concerns...not many, but I really don’t have any about Bamba.
i mean i don't think ayton is a lost cause. remember he led arizona to the pac 12 championship. he played like a mad man in that tournament. so it's not like he was a no show all year long, he showed up for a lot of big games too. i was sold on ayton from that tournament tbh. he looked like the #1 pick by far. so if you can get ayton to play with that same mentality in the NBA, that's a really special player we're talking about.
bamba does have an inconsistent motor (not as bad as ayton though). it's one of the main reasons why he's not viewed as a top 3 pick, along with his skinny frame. i personally have bamba #4 on my board, so i still think he's a great player. i just don't think he is a good enough prospect to take him over ayton. but i totally understand why you have him ahead of ayton. i guess it comes down to whether you think ayton's motor is fixable or not.
I don’t agree with the inconsistent motor label... can he improve his conditioning? Sure. And like he said himself, without having to keep up with classes and maintaining good grades, he can focus 100% on being the best athlete he can be. It’s not as much mental as it is physical with him... the opposite can be said about Ayton.
But you don’t average 4 blocks per game and 1 steal with an 89 defensive rating and 9.0 defensive box plus/minus with a bad motor. That dude puts in work. As far as his frame, people said the same about KG, AD, and KP... he will grow.
Ayton was impressive in the pac 12 tourney (despite no real competition), but what happened that last game/elimination? I just think the guy needs a heart transplant. Maybe a certain coach can challenge him/light a fire under him enough to bring it out, but I just don’t see it. Going against these centers in the NBA, he’s gotta step up big time.
Clyde_Style wrote:spree8 wrote:
I don’t understand the concern about playing Sexton with Frankie provided they both improve their shooting.
Teams have multiple facilitators nowadays and Frank can still do his thing in the p&r often enough. They also don’t have to play every single minute together... throughout the course of the game, Fiz can structure their minutes to where one or the other is almost always in the game...have Frank with Trey a good amount too.
As far as the defensive end, we can still have Frank take on the opposing teams pg, and Sexton can guard sg’s no problem with his wingspan and strength.
I don’t see a reason why Sexton wouldn’t buy in and play within a system on this level... he won’t have to carry this team the way he did Alabama.
Dude is like a young Bledsoe with Westbrook’s mentality/aggression... def star potential.
That's pretty much why I was asking earlier. I had a first impression that Sexton might be a guard in the draft still available at # 9 with legit star potential whose game would translate to the NBA.
Avery was very aggressive about promoting Sexton's intensity, saying it was like something you'd see in players like the original Isiah Thomas. Zeke was a nasty HOF guard with the Pistons regardless of his weirdness as a Knick exec. He was one of the bad boys.
Anyway, what you're saying is more or less what I was wondering about him, i.e. is he coachable? and could he be a team player who becomes a legit defender under Fiz? Does he have enough natural IQ to mold for cohesive team ball?
from the sounds of some of the feedback here, maybe, maybe not. Seems some think he's mediocre on D and may never be a good defender, but
if he is coachable and is a Mitchell type pick, I was wondering about a Sexton-Frank backcourt with Trey being our 2nd unit PG.
Sure, that would probably consign Mudiay to the trash heap as he'd get no time then, but outside of that the real issue is actually Timmy and Lee.
After reading comments here and considering the backcourt situation, it just seems unlikely they'd pick Sexton unless they can line up trades for BOTH Tim and Lee.
They could theoretically sit Lee, but Tim? I don't see it.
So somebody would have to be moved to even consider Sexton IMO.
N Y K wrote:HEZI wrote:N Y K wrote:i simply did not see that last season. to me, defensively he is lazy, has poor instincts, and would be absolutely terrible to KP if he were on this team. god help that rim protector he plays with, because he couldn't keep anyone in front of him last year.
Nah, none of this is true. I just recently came across some of his quotes about his strategy and it confirmed everything I was seeing from him back when he was still playing.
lol come on, hezi... that's wild convenient for him to say... "i only suck defensively, because i HAVE to"
he's a nice enough kid, so i hope he gets it together. but like you said, he probably won't be available anyway. but if it were me, I'm absolutely passing on that excuse and going with someone that actually has two-way potential.
levendis wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:
dude is bringing the ball up from his knees. Wtf. I don't get the hype with this dude. I get he's crazy athletic. But all of his offense was posting up dudes and dunking. He hasn't actually showed any sort of guard skills.