Video: Bball Breakdown: Trading Smart for Porzingis was good move.

robbie84 · Post #1 » by **robbie84** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:27 pm

'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

lon3lytoaster · Post #2 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 4:05 pm

The clips of Marcus trying to hit pocket passes were painful.

Fencer reregistered · Post #3 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 5:01 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:The clips of Marcus trying to hit pocket passes were painful.

Brogdon had some painful TOs too.

hugepatsfan · Post #4 » by **hugepatsfan** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 5:43 pm

Smart definitely wasn't a perfect player. I do think when you run a compilation of all his turnovers he looks worse than he was lol

Hal14 · Post #5 » by **Hal14** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 5:45 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:The clips of Marcus trying to hit pocket passes were painful.

Brogdon had some painful TOs too.

Overall though, I'd say Brogdon had less painful TOs, and was a better/smarter decision maker with the ball. Plus was a much better shooter. All of which outweighs the advantage Smart had defensively - as evidenced by Brogdon being the better player last season by pretty much every advanced stat. Brogdon also played in 6 more games so it's not like you can say "oh but Brogdon is injury prone"

Larry_Russell · Post #6 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 5:55 pm

robbie84 wrote:'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Dont know who does those videos, but they touched on a point I do agree with.

Tatum is best served as a PF, imo.

And that, ideally, helps limit the dumbass crap that Brown does on the court with the ball.

Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton
White/...../Walsh
Brown/Hauser/Brisset
Tatum/Horford/Griffin
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

Pretty solid team althouugh I prefer Brogs leading the bench so that means we need a starting sg or pg.

Maybe Suggs would be great for that "'In Waiting role"
Terrence Davis?
Mann?

cloverleaf · Post #7 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:07 pm

robbie84 wrote:'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Post #8 » by **165bows** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:15 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Smart definitely wasn't a perfect player. I do think when you run a compilation of all his turnovers he looks worse than he was lol

Like I said in the other thread where this was posted, this was like the back end of an old DX or one of the box and one draft videos.

That said Smart did seem to have a lot of old Rondo style influence the past year or so. Ie, slow ball, run a lot of action and hit a pin point pass, left open too much since not a scoring threat.

We’ve talked a lot about shooting and spacing but I really do think just as impactful was the lack of dribble drive and ball movement. Always loved watching him as a player but very curious to see what this team looks like and how it changes (and not to pile on but the “dust up between players and upper management” was assuredly Smart and I’m also curious how much that played into it (but we’ll never know that one).

Larry_Russell · Post #9 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:16 pm

Brogdon and second(s) to Clippers for Batum, Mann and a little cash to make it work.

White/Pritchard/Banton
Mann/Batum/Walsh
Brown/Hauser/Brisset
Tatum/Horford/Griffin
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

I can get behind that.

hugepatsfan · Post #10 » by **hugepatsfan** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:17 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Brogdon and second(s) to Clippers for Batum, Mann and a little cash to make it work.

White/Pritchard/Banton
Mann/Batum/Walsh
Brown/Hauser/Brisset
Tatum/Horford/Griffin
Porzingas/Timelord/Kornet

I can get behind that.

Don't hate the trade, but listing Batum as a guard is wild lol

Fencer reregistered · Post #11 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:21 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:The clips of Marcus trying to hit pocket passes were painful.

Brogdon had some painful TOs too.

Overall though, I'd say Brogdon had less painful TOs, and was a better/smarter decision maker with the ball. Plus was a much better shooter. All of which outweighs the advantage Smart had defensively - as evidenced by Brogdon being the better player last season by pretty much every advanced stat. Brogdon also played in 6 more games..

To my eyes, Brogdon's decision-making seemed in most cases to boil down to keeping the ball himself and scoring at a decent clip. Stats are supportive of my eyes. His ratio of FGAs to assists wasn't quite double Smart's ratio, but it was somewhere in that range.

cloverleaf · Post #12 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:31 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Brogdon had some painful TOs too.

Overall though, I'd say Brogdon had less painful TOs, and was a better/smarter decision maker with the ball. Plus was a much better shooter. All of which outweighs the advantage Smart had defensively - as evidenced by Brogdon being the better player last season by pretty much every advanced stat. Brogdon also played in 6 more games..

To my eyes, Brogdon's decision-making seemed in most cases to boil down to keeping the ball himself and scoring at a decent clip. Stats are supportive of my eyes. His ratio of FGAs to assists wasn't quite double Smart's ratio, but it was somewhere in that range.

He did at least have a .615 TS% to Smart's .538.

sam_I_am · Post #13 » by **sam_I_am** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:32 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
robbie84 wrote:'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

cloverleaf · Post #14 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:05 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
robbie84 wrote:'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

And that has been characteristic of the bulk of the team for years now.

chrisab123 · Post #15 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:44 pm

Another under reported reason why its a good move is the league is now going to penalize flopping. I assume star players won't be hit with anything but a role player like Smart might end up being unplayable at times.

cloverleaf · Post #16 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 10:48 pm

chrisab123 wrote:Another under reported reason why its a good move is the league is now going to penalize flopping. I assume star players won't be hit with anything but a role player like Smart might end up being unplayable at times.

Are they gonna penalize whining too? If so, it's past time to get that Grant S&T done.

chrisab123 · Post #17 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:15 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Another under reported reason why its a good move is the league is now going to penalize flopping. I assume star players won't be hit with anything but a role player like Smart might end up being unplayable at times.

Are they gonna penalize whining too? If so, it's past time to get that Grant S&T done.

Wish granted

cloverleaf · Post #18 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jul 5, 2023 11:20 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Another under reported reason why its a good move is the league is now going to penalize flopping. I assume star players won't be hit with anything but a role player like Smart might end up being unplayable at times.

Are they gonna penalize whining too? If so, it's past time to get that Grant S&T done.

Wish granted

Rub Brad's belly three times and my wish is granted--no pun intended.

robbie84 · Post #19 » by **robbie84** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:30 am

I guess the biggest part of this for me was that Coach Nick pointed out that Derrick White replacing Smart's minutes improves efficiency in almost all categories. Derrick White makes Smart dispensable from a statistical POV.

Mr_Mojo_Risin · Post #20 » by **Mr_Mojo_Risin** » Thu Jul 6, 2023 4:51 am

sam_I_am wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
robbie84 wrote:'Celtics make the Smart choice and trade Smart'.

I don't agree with this completely but it's worth watching.

Watch on YouTube

Those Smart clips are absolutely brutal.

Hard to say who had more lowlights last year--Smart or Brown.

Based on this video you would think Smart had a horrible assist to turnover ratio but he didn’t. I think it shows how he could get lackadaisical and showy leading him to make some really bad decisions at times.

The thing about videos with small samples to support pre-determined conclusions is that they only work forfteen percent of the time, just like statistics that are made up eleventy three percent of the time to support an argument.

Marcus was a winning player for us 79.3% of the time on days that ended with a Y, but could do some stupid plays 12.11% / π of the time at the end of a lunar cycle. Everyone knows that.