LeBron James better than Michael Jordan?

pr0wler · Post #1 » by **pr0wler** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:09 pm

Averaging 30/8/7 this season, and single handedly led his team to the NBA finals last season. How exactly is Jordan a better/more valuable player?

James is taller, faster, and stronger than Michael. He's also a better rebounder. He's a great passer too and could very well be better than MJ in that department also. Scoring wise, I'd give Michael the edge but it is still very close as LeBron can still take over cames and carry a team on his back. MJ is better on defense as well, but James is no slouch and is very tough defensively also. Both are have great leadership ability and can run a team if needed.

If LeBron had a HoF counter-part like Scottie Pippen and great role players like Dennis Rodman and Steve Kerr...he could very well have the same success. Then everyone would be here talking about how LeBron is the greatest invention since sliced bread. But since his front office has put out a poor excuse of a supporting cast, he seems to be stuck in the mud so to speak.

High 5 · Post #2 » by **High 5** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:11 pm

You're forgetting half of the game.

Milan24 · Post #3 » by **Milan24** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:22 pm

Chris435 · Post #4 » by **Chris435** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:25 pm

it's tough being on top. everyone wants to kick mj off the throne. poor mj.

Idunkon1stdates · Post #5 » by **Idunkon1stdates** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:41 pm

Jordan had a much better mid-range game than Lebron and could do the things Lebron does when he was a younger man. Jordan got more steals, more blocks, and was a way better free throw shooter than Lebron. and so on, and so on, and so on.

giordunk · Post #6 » by **giordunk** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:41 pm

I think LeBron definitely has a chance to be better than Jordan.

a-rod · Post #7 » by **a-rod** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:43 pm

High 5 wrote:You're forgetting half of the game.

Post #8 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:43 pm

Scoring isn't as close as you make it....

And neither is defense........

Edit: Michael has topped this season by LeBron easily, he did :

32.5/8.1/8 with 2.9 steals, DPOY defense, and percentages of

53.8%, 85% from the line, 27.6% from three.

LeBron isn't beating any of those lines, and his defense isn't close.

LeBron is getting their man, lets not crown his ass just yet.

carlos1223 · Post #9 » by **carlos1223** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm

Hey Sonic fan...Allen Iverson single handedly led the Sixers to the finals in 2001. Does that make him better than Jordan?

Manocad · Post #10 » by **Manocad** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:47 pm

pr0wler wrote:Averaging 30/8/7 this season, and single handedly led his team to the NBA finals last season. How exactly is Jordan a better/more valuable player?

He has rings on six fingers. Take Jordan away from all of those Bulls teams and they wouldn't have one championship. Now in my mind, if having a player means you win championships and not having that player means you don't, that player is pretty damn valuable. So if the Cavs don't win championships without LeBron and they don't win championships with LeBron--which they haven't done yet--it becomes pretty clear which player is more valuable.

Unless you think stats=value and championships don't. I'm gonna take a wild guess at which one of the two 99.999% of this forum would call more valuable.

iamworthy · Post #11 » by **iamworthy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:48 pm

We need to make a rule. No comparing people to MJ unless they have at least 10yrs experience.

J-Mezzy · Post #12 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:50 pm

Nope. Not yet.

MJ better scorer, much better.
Better defender, by far.
Better leader
better FT shooter
better 3 PT shooter
More competitive

Lebron does have a chance to overtake him though, but for the moment, not much of a debate

lukeridenour · Post #13 » by **lukeridenour** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:57 pm

if lebron had a HoF counter part and a dennis rodman like rebounder his stats wouldnt 30 8 7. this thread is convincing no one.

J-Mezzy · Post #14 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:06 pm

lukeridenour wrote:if lebron had a HoF counter part and a dennis rodman like rebounder his stats wouldnt 30 8 7. this thread is convincing no one.

Very through, he wouldn't handle the ball 90% of the time like he does now in Cleveland.

ice9 · Post #15 » by **ice9** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:17 pm

Jordan's playoff average through 111 games (his first retirement)
34.7/6.7/6.6/2.3/1 on 50%

Now that's just nasty. Even as a single game. MJ averaged it in the playoffs over 9 seasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvxijHNWB4

kooldude · Post #16 » by **kooldude** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:19 pm

I wonder how long it'll take for the Jordan fans start hating on Lebron after Kobe is past his prime.

JordansBulls · Post #17 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:36 pm

lukeridenour wrote:if lebron had a HoF counter part and a dennis rodman like rebounder his stats wouldnt 30 8 7. this thread is convincing no one.

Dude you stole my avatar?

:nonono:

As far as the comparison not even close. Lebron got to the finals you are right, but shooting 36% and averaging 22 ppg? It's not like he is old or anything.

Also he shot 42% in the playoffs all last year. He shot 42% in Round 1 against the Wizards who were missing both Arenas and Butler and 42% in Round 2 against the Nets. Neither of those teams were good on defense.

JordansBulls · Post #18 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:43 pm

pr0wler wrote:Averaging 30/8/7 this season, and single handedly led his team to the NBA finals last season. How exactly is Jordan a better/more valuable player?

James is taller, faster, and stronger than Michael. He's also a better rebounder. He's a great passer too and could very well be better than MJ in that department also. Scoring wise, I'd give Michael the edge but it is still very close as LeBron can still take over cames and carry a team on his back. MJ is better on defense as well, but James is no slouch and is very tough defensively also. Both are have great leadership ability and can run a team if needed.

If LeBron had a HoF counter-part like Scottie Pippen and great role players like Dennis Rodman and Steve Kerr...he could very well have the same success. Then everyone would be here talking about how LeBron is the greatest invention since sliced bread. But since his front office has put out a poor excuse of a supporting cast, he seems to be stuck in the mud so to speak.

He had a supporting cast that was far superior than the World and ended up with two bronze medals as well. So how do you figure he would dominate in the NBA if he couldn't in the olympics and world championships?

Jemini80 · Post #19 » by **Jemini80** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:50 pm

anyone who is saying Lebron is better than MJ is under the age of 17 since they were never able to see the real MJ and remember it. And values flashy dunks with 5 step walks, over defense and team play. The only time i was picking Lebron over prime MJ, was if I was playing at Rucker Park where Lebron can utilize the 7step drive instead of his usual 4-5 step drive.

kooldude · Post #20 » by **kooldude** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:08 am

Jemini80 wrote:anyone who is saying Lebron is better than MJ is under the age of 17 since they were never able to see the real MJ and remember it. And values flashy dunks with 5 step walks, over defense and team play. The only time i was picking Lebron over prime MJ, was if I was playing at Rucker Park where Lebron can utilize the 7step drive instead of his usual 4-5 step drive.

yea, because Lebron sucks without his extra step. :roll: