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Post#1 » by Baller 24 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:25 pm

http://clutchfans.com/news/1514/sources ... ade_talks/

A source close to the team tells ClutchFans that Houston has been heavily involved in several trade discussions, most recently with New Jersey involving guard Vince Carter and Minnesota for guard Mike Miller.


Sources have been telling us consistently for nearly a month that the Rockets have been shopping Ron Artest and nothing has changed that direction. In fact, we've heard it so often that we'd be stunned if he is here past the 19th.

In fact, this past Tuesday, a source close to the Suns forward told us that Amaré believed "if he doesn't stay in Phoenix that he's going to end up in Miami or Houston." It is believed a Houston offer would be based on Artest and Luther Head (also expiring) as well as promising second-year players Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks.
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Post#2 » by YaoZaii » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:30 pm

why can't we shop a for a better pg?
I don't see another "Von Wafer" shocker if we get a pg from the free agency.

I hope we get rid of Alston.
He talks too much garbage and plays like a really pass first PG - Pass the ball to someone and wait for something to happen or shoot a brick. Seldom an assist.
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Post#3 » by dunleavyjr » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:33 pm

so, you want a pg? fine!
skip for nash.
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Post#4 » by YaoZaii » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:47 pm

dunleavyjr wrote:so, you want a pg? fine!
skip for nash.


$ does not match.


A package of Artest and Alston for a pg maybe?
The question is; who is the pg we really should be pursuing realistically?
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Post#5 » by Eralp » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:53 pm

rafer is inconsistent guy but he is getting hot when the mid-season came out. last year, we really needed him on court against jazz. right now, it is not time to talk about rafer coz we need some other things and we all know there is not many playmaker out there. meaning that we haven't got a chance to bring paul, d-will or nash, lol.

we need a back-up center who should be tall and a good defensive player. we can't rely on yao for 40 plus minutes. although we got deke, we need a back-up center, man.

maybe we should have a guy like miller, who is a good defensive guy and an effective scorer. his game as mature as for a play-off team. also carter would be a good addition, with his consistent scoring abilities and with a big experience. i'm sure that he can be effective for us better than ron or tracy.
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Post#6 » by dunleavyjr » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:57 pm

remember wang zhi zhi?
guy is like 7 feet, can knock down 3 pointers.

ok, his 'd' sucks. but his 'o' can make things up.
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Post#7 » by Baller 24 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:00 pm

Well Amare might be in Houston, I wouldn't be surprised, but if he comes, that means McGrady is going to play out the season. Alston/Tmac/Battier/Amar'e/Yao
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Post#8 » by MaxRider » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:02 pm

Alston is inconsistent because you guys expected him to be Steve Nash. T-Mac and Artest are more inconsistent. They can scored 30 pts on one game and the next they can go 1-11.
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Post#9 » by dunleavyjr » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:13 pm

you think the suns are stupid enough to trade amare to a potential rivalry team in the west?
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Post#10 » by HTown_TMac » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:28 pm

dunleavyjr wrote:you think the suns are stupid enough to trade amare to a potential rivalry team in the west?

1. Doesnt look like the suns care about the playoffs at the moment.
2. They think/know he is a hot head who will cause problems
3. They just want to get rid of him.
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Post#11 » by abcdef » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:24 pm

Amare will fail no matter where he is traded. If he is traded to a winning team, his defense which is the worst in the league at his position and his selfishness, bad attitude, and commitment to his own numbers over the team's welfare will prove to be his and his new team's undoing. If he is traded to a bad team, the fact that most of his offense is created by Steve Nash will be brutally exposed as he becomes the focus of opposing defenses and he becomes a 47% chucker like Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Juwan Howard used to be.

The Rockets better not be the ones to take on this fool's gold. I would rather stay with Artest.
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Post#12 » by TMU » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:34 pm

abcdef wrote:Amare will fail no matter where he is traded. If he is traded to a winning team, his defense which is the worst in the league at his position and his selfishness, bad attitude, and commitment to his own numbers over the team's welfare will prove to be his and his new team's undoing. If he is traded to a bad team, the fact that most of his offense is created by Steve Nash will be brutally exposed as he becomes the focus of opposing defenses and he becomes a 47% chucker like Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Juwan Howard used to be.

The Rockets better not be the ones to take on this fool's gold. I would rather stay with Artest.


In '03 - '04 Amare averaged 20 points and 9 boards without Steve Nash. You're definitely taking this too an extreme. He's not as terrible as you've described.
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Post#13 » by YaoZaii » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:39 pm

what's the use of all these players when there is none to create for them?
Like abcdef said, Amare needs Nash.
We need a pg that can assist.
I remembered there was a game this season when Brooks and Alston combined for 1 assist in the whole game.
Nobody is expecting Alston to put up huge numbers but at least don't let your man flash past u and put some assists on the table.
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Post#14 » by abcdef » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:43 pm

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abcdef wrote:Amare will fail no matter where he is traded. If he is traded to a winning team, his defense which is the worst in the league at his position and his selfishness, bad attitude, and commitment to his own numbers over the team's welfare will prove to be his and his new team's undoing. If he is traded to a bad team, the fact that most of his offense is created by Steve Nash will be brutally exposed as he becomes the focus of opposing defenses and he becomes a 47% chucker like Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Juwan Howard used to be.

The Rockets better not be the ones to take on this fool's gold. I would rather stay with Artest.


In '03 - '04 Amare averaged 20 points and 9 boards without Steve Nash. You're definitely taking this too an extreme. He's not as terrible as you've described.


Shareef and Juwan can do that too, inefficiently, and because they were the #1 options on bad teams and someone had to take those shots. If Amare is traded to a bad team everyone will see that it is the same way with him. No one ever thought SAR or Juwan were elite players, and Amare will be revealed to be the same if he's traded to a bad team. If he's traded to a good team, his lack of defense and utterly selfish attitude will bring down the team he's traded to. The guy has basically said that he cares about his own numbers more than anything else. He drove out D'Antoni because he didn't like him, only to realize that his numbers were the best under D'Antoni and now wants him back.

The team that will be ruined by Stoudemire had better not be the Rockets.
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Post#15 » by A.J. » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:53 pm

dunleavyjr wrote:you think the suns are stupid enough to trade amare to a potential rivalry team in the west?


1. I don't think the Suns will go to the playoffs if they keep playing like they do.
2. They know they will not resign him in 2010 and they want to move him.
3. The move won't be stupid if they find the right trade.
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Post#16 » by Amel » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:00 pm

just make the damn trade
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Post#17 » by Mike12345 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:18 pm

YaoZaii wrote:what's the use of all these players when there is none to create for them?
Like abcdef said, Amare needs Nash.
We need a pg that can assist.
I remembered there was a game this season when Brooks and Alston combined for 1 assist in the whole game.
Nobody is expecting Alston to put up huge numbers but at least don't let your man flash past u and put some assists on the table.


Couldnt agree more. Although I do think amare would be somewhat effective without a point guard, but our main concern should be a point guard in my opinion
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Post#18 » by tisbee » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:39 pm

YaoZaii and Mike12345,
I certainly agree w/you,but if Morey is truly willing to trade Brooks,he has a replacement in mind-and a fairly inexpensive one at that.(One name to keep in consideration-Sergio Rodriguez in Portland. Pure passing PG w/almost no jump shot at all,but excellent turnover-to-assist ratio. Cheap contract fits into smaller TE Rockets have.)

5 things about Amare.
1) When he scores he rebounds.
2)His bread and butter play is the pick-n-roll which the Suns have stopped running. T-Mac is great at running the pick-n-roll w/a big man.
3)Neither Landry nor Scola have been esp great defenders this yr.,so why worry about Amare's D.
4)Interesting article by a Suns blogger who focused on Amare's D for the last few games. He said Amare's problem was he wasn't leaving his man at all,that he was so worried about getting yelled at for leaving his man he was making no attempt at all to offer Defensive help.
5)He's a big who shoots from outside,runs the floor,gets to the FT line,finishes inside and occassionaly blocks some shots.

On the flip side he's insecure,immature and not a professional in the way of Yao,Battier,etc.
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Post#19 » by TMU » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:49 pm

tisbee wrote:5 things about Amare.
1) When he scores he rebounds.
2)His bread and butter play is the pick-n-roll which the Suns have stopped running. T-Mac is great at running the pick-n-roll w/a big man.
3)Neither Landry nor Scola have been esp great defenders this yr.,so why worry about Amare's D.
4)Interesting article by a Suns blogger who focused on Amare's D for the last few games. He said Amare's problem was he wasn't leaving his man at all,that he was so worried about getting yelled at for leaving his man he was making no attempt at all to offer Defensive help.
5)He's a big who shoots from outside,runs the floor,gets to the FT line,finishes inside and occassionaly blocks some shots.

On the flip side he's insecure,immature and not a professional in the way of Yao,Battier,etc.


Good post. I don't see what all this hate is about. I don't think he'll be a bad fit in Houston, however I do acknowledge that he isn't a significant upgrade either. I'm pretty content with what Scola is doing on the court.

Yao fans, you seem to dislike Amare with a passion. I know they came out in the same draft and a rivalry was created by their fans, but you're foolish if you're worried about Amare trying to steal Yao's spotlight in Houston. Everyone knows that Amare isn't better than Yao.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I hope this isn't your reason why Amare shouldn't be in Houston.
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Post#20 » by abcdef » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:12 pm

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tisbee wrote:5 things about Amare.
1) When he scores he rebounds.
2)His bread and butter play is the pick-n-roll which the Suns have stopped running. T-Mac is great at running the pick-n-roll w/a big man.
3)Neither Landry nor Scola have been esp great defenders this yr.,so why worry about Amare's D.
4)Interesting article by a Suns blogger who focused on Amare's D for the last few games. He said Amare's problem was he wasn't leaving his man at all,that he was so worried about getting yelled at for leaving his man he was making no attempt at all to offer Defensive help.
5)He's a big who shoots from outside,runs the floor,gets to the FT line,finishes inside and occassionaly blocks some shots.

On the flip side he's insecure,immature and not a professional in the way of Yao,Battier,etc.


Good post. I don't see what all this hate is about. I don't think he'll be a bad fit in Houston, however I do acknowledge that he isn't a significant upgrade either. I'm pretty content with what Scola is doing on the court.

Yao fans, you seem to dislike Amare with a passion. I know they came out in the same draft and a rivalry was created by their fans, but you're foolish if you're worried about Amare trying to steal Yao's spotlight in Houston. Everyone knows that Amare isn't better than Yao.


Amare's D is not just bad, it is horrible of all-time proportions. This guy simply does not try on defense. He doesn't block shots (1.1 a game, when he can jump out of the gym), doesn't really rebound (8.2 a game), is bad on perimeter defense, and about his post defense, KWAME BROWN effortlessly scored on him in the post and left him in the dust on spin moves. KWAME BROWN. It was so bad that at one point that STEVE NASH (who is awful at defense himself) called him out for not playing D. STEVE NASH. Landry and Scola might be mediocre defenders, but Amare is simply awful. He could be one of the worst big men defenders of all time, up there with guys like Eddy Curry. I don't understand why fans can't recognize the difference when something is merely mediocre and when something is totally awful. Does it make no difference to you if you get 75/100 on a test versus when you get a 50/100?

If his offense has stagnated when playing with Shaquille O'Neal, then simply put it will not get better playing with Yao, especially with no Steve Nash to feed him the ball. He is also very selfish and has a bad attitude; he has dropped statements that indicate that he cares about his own stats first and the reports out of Phoenix are that he had a hand in kicking D'Antoni but now wants him back because he realizes that D'Antoni was best for his numbers. I'd rather have Ron bashing his teammates than this selfish garbage from Stoudemire, at least Ron is trying to help the team by calling out McGrady for defense.

If Amare is traded to a good team, his lack of defense and selfishness will cause him and his new team to fail. If he is traded to a bad team, he will be revealed to be another Shareef or Juwan, guys who can put up 20/9 numbers but inefficiently and have no real impact on the game. Simply put he is totally fool's gold. I pity the team that takes him on and it had better not be the Rockets.

Edit: Now Porter is about to be fired as an appeasement gesture to Stoudemire. I can add coach-killer to Amare's rap sheet.

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