Nikola Mirotic Thread

molepharmer · Post #766 » by **molepharmer** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:53 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Who cares whether or not Mirotic can jump out of the gym? The fact is that Mirotic knows basketball, understands positioning and leverage,.....

To me this really is the most important. I've watch some of his play and find it unimpressive, kind of like two time All-Star Luol Deng. All he does is know where to be on the court and how to help the team win. He blends in seamlessly and does whats needed. At the end of the game somehow he ends up 14-20 pts and 4-6 rbds.

AAU Teammate · Post #767 » by **AAU Teammate** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:59 pm

In some people's minds (and it annoys me) everyone in the NBA should be able to jump out of the gym. There's no changing them on this. They're back on the planet of yesteryear where the three point shot was a novelty.

It now defines offense. Getting it into the paint convincingly serves in importance for the very ability to kick it back out to get the highest reward shot from the guys who make it the most often.

I feel like these same people watch NFL and dream and hope that a running back means what he used to (as opposed to what he means now)

kuly1990 · Post #768 » by **kuly1990** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:21 pm

molepharmer wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Who cares whether or not Mirotic can jump out of the gym? The fact is that Mirotic knows basketball, understands positioning and leverage,.....

To me this really is the most important. I've watch some of his play and find it unimpressive, kind of like two time All-Star Luol Deng. All he does is know where to be on the court and how to help the team win. He blends in seamlessly and does whats needed. At the end of the game somehow he ends up 14-20 pts and 4-6 rbds.

so you wouldnt like allstar pf for 5 mil per year?

veji1 · Post #769 » by **veji1** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:08 pm

molepharmer wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Who cares whether or not Mirotic can jump out of the gym? The fact is that Mirotic knows basketball, understands positioning and leverage,.....

To me this really is the most important. I've watch some of his play and find it unimpressive, kind of like two time All-Star Luol Deng. All he does is know where to be on the court and how to help the team win. He blends in seamlessly and does whats needed. At the end of the game somehow he ends up 14-20 pts and 4-6 rbds.

Well done sir :wink:

Indeed some people here's obsession with physical tools leads them to overlooking of fundamental bball qualities.. Sure you can't teach size, but you can't teach a dimwit velociraptor (sorry Tyrus T...) to become a basketball player, whereas a greatly talented basketball player will maximise his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, in the physical department for example.

Some guys here are hilarious. The Bulls have the rights to the most talented and one of the 2/3 best players actually in Europe, still very young, and who can be a fantastic addition at a time when the team has low hopes of getting good players at reasonable cost... What gives ?!

AAU Teammate · Post #770 » by **AAU Teammate** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:52 pm

http://elmundomadridista.com/index.php/ ... del-madrid

Real Madrid wants Vesely b/c they expect to lose Mirotic?

For those using Google Translator.... "más que hipotética" is being incorrectly translated as "highly hypothetical." You'll be glad to hear that should actually read "more than hypothetical"

Kelly Scaletta ‏@KellyScaletta 9m
Spanish writer wants Vesely on Real Madrid. Why should you care? Because they expect to lose Mirotic to the NBA! http://wapo.st/HMPJCi

Saphir · Post #771 » by **Saphir** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:02 pm

I guess it's time we start inundating Chad Ford's chats with "Where would Mirotic be drafted in the 2014 draft" questions, right?

Bomba Navarro · Post #772 » by **Bomba Navarro** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:26 pm

I don't know what some of you guys are talking about. I didn't see anybody overlooking Mirotic's skillset in this thread. Not in the last pages at least. Some of us say that he lacks elite athleticism, which may keep him from becoming a star. What's wrong with that? It's actually a compliment. It's probably the only negative thing you could say about him as a prospect.

AAU Teammate · Post #773 » by **AAU Teammate** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:51 pm

What will basically happen to Mirotic is he'll be saddled with the senseless Dirk Nowitzki thing because of what the hype machine is and because of the build up and time spent as a stash pick.

Face it, if he was Dirk he'd have gone higher. Dirk is an all-time great, probably the most unique 7 footer in NBA superstar history.

Mirotic is a late first round pick who has become lottery talent, even without the focus on weight training (look at what Taj at 28 has JUST done in the weight room...JUST now). NM has been improving while on someone else's dime. It's been an excellent situation for us. He's 22 and learning the game, facing talent (on average) better than nearly every men's US college level team. If he's between Kukoc and Schrempf then that is phenomenal for a #23 pick. At a time when everyone had been clamoring for MarShon Brooks.

hopp · Post #774 » by **hopp** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:00 pm

http://live.euroleague.net/gamesjs.aspx ... M54C37&z=0

Game live

real Madrid - Efes Istanbul

sisibilio · Post #775 » by **sisibilio** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:15 pm

Sergio Rodriguez >>>> God

BuffaloBull · Post #776 » by **BuffaloBull** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:17 pm

Looks like Mirotic is done for the day.

22 minutes, 14 points on 3-4 2pt 2-3 3pt 2-2 ft 6 boards (1 offensive) 2 steals 1 assist 2 blocks.

Ralphb07 · Post #777 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:24 pm

BuffaloBull wrote:Looks like Mirotic is done for the day.

22 minutes, 14 points on 3-4 2pt 2-3 3pt 2-2 ft 6 boards (1 offensive) 2 steals 1 assist 2 blocks.

I just can't wait to get him here.

BullsFTW · Post #778 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:58 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:What will basically happen to Mirotic is he'll be saddled with the senseless Dirk Nowitzki thing because of what the hype machine is and because of the build up and time spent as a stash pick.

Face it, if he was Dirk he'd have gone higher. Dirk is an all-time great, probably the most unique 7 footer in NBA superstar history.

Mirotic is a late first round pick who has become lottery talent, even without the focus on weight training (look at what Taj at 28 has JUST done in the weight room...JUST now). NM has been improving while on someone else's dime. It's been an excellent situation for us. He's 22 and learning the game, facing talent (on average) better than nearly every men's US college level team. If he's between Kukoc and Schrempf then that is phenomenal for a #23 pick. At a time when everyone had been clamoring for MarShon Brooks.

The big reason why Mirotic fell to #23 in the 2011 NBA Draft was because teams knew he was not coming to the NBA right away. When Dirk was drafted, he went straight to play in the NBA. I remember reading that Mirotic would have gone in the Top 5 of the 2011 Draft had he able to come to the US right away.

BullsFTW · Post #779 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:00 pm

BuffaloBull wrote:Looks like Mirotic is done for the day.

22 minutes, 14 points on 3-4 2pt 2-3 3pt 2-2 ft 6 boards (1 offensive) 2 steals 1 assist 2 blocks.

Another very efficient performance

BullsFTW · Post #780 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:02 pm

Looks like Real Madrid can beat multiple teams in the NBA

BullsFTW · Post #781 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:03 pm

transplant wrote:
VolumePoster wrote:But he can't jump. At all. He's even less impressive than Dirk, from a vertical point of view.

In general, the Nowitzki comparison is premature and unfair, but for pure leaping ability, I think it's fair game. And while watching highlight reels is no way to judge how good a player is, they can be instructive if you want to compare something like real, "functional athleticism" (athleticism displayed within the context of game action). So I just watched some highlight reels of Mirotic and a young Nowitzki. IMO, their functional athleticism is very damn similar.

I did the same before, and I agree with your assessment.

PMONSTER · Post #782 » by **PMONSTER** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:07 pm

I don't even know how excited I can get for someone we might trade to get an already established star.

VolumePoster · Post #783 » by **VolumePoster** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:13 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Who cares whether or not Mirotic can jump out of the gym? The fact is that Mirotic knows basketball, understands positioning and leverage, and is dominating the competition in the second highest level of basketball on earth.

And people are worried about his vertical?

Don't get me wrong, Magilla, I am very excited about Mirotic. I think he could be excellent for exactly the reasons you bring up. My concern is this: will he be able to finish in the paint? If he can, vertical be damned. Many - Kevin Love being the obvious example - have been able to compensate with craftiness and strength. But what I'm addressing is what may limit him. For me, the ability to get vertical is the question for Nikola.

The reason I worry about it is because it's the only question he hasn't answered.

BullsFTW · Post #784 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:14 pm

VolumePoster wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Who cares whether or not Mirotic can jump out of the gym? The fact is that Mirotic knows basketball, understands positioning and leverage, and is dominating the competition in the second highest level of basketball on earth.

And people are worried about his vertical?

Don't get me wrong, Magilla, I am very excited about Mirotic. I think he could be excellent for exactly the reasons you bring up. My concern is this: will he be able to finish in the paint? If he can, vertical be damned. Many - Kevin Love being the obvious example - have been able to compensate with craftiness and strength. But what I'm addressing is what may limit him. For me, the ability to get vertical is the question for Nikola.

The reason I worry about it is because it's the only question he hasn't answered.

Craftiness runs in Nikola's veins. He is a finesse and intelligent low post scorer.

VolumePoster · Post #785 » by **VolumePoster** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:17 pm

WatchYouBleed wrote:I don't know what some of you guys are talking about. I didn't see anybody overlooking Mirotic's skillset in this thread. Not in the last pages at least. Some of us say that he lacks elite athleticism, which may keep him from becoming a star. What's wrong with that? It's actually a compliment. It's probably the only negative thing you could say about him as a prospect.

Agreed. I'm not saying he'll fail because he doesn't have a 40 inch vertical. I'm saying a 40-inch vertical looks pretty handy in the NBA, and Mirotic doesn't have one.

Does that mean he won't be terrific? Of course not.