Overrated Teams

[pipfan]

1. Milwaukee. Hollinger has that "Fluke Rule" for players-he should have it for teams that have a great season that wasn't in line with their talent. They won a ton last year for a lot of reasons, but I see them at 35 wins this year. I love Bogut, but the rest of their roster is suspect.
Jennings-a bit of a chucker, and undersized
CoreyM-Chucker
Salmons-got paid, aging
Gooden-we know how up and down he can be-and his boneheadedness
Bogut-always an injury risk

They will win 35 games this year. Their key last year was chemistry and how hard they played every nite. It won't continue. Plus, Ridinour won a bunch of games for them with his steady play and off the charts shooting.

2. OKC-My second favorite team, but they had no injuries and snuck up on people last year. They will be good, but not a contender. They will win b/t 45-50 games and maybe sneak out of the first round. I really don't like Jeff Green at the 4 for a season.
Now, for the nonsense-KD is a bit overrated right now. A HoFamer-yes. INCREDIBLE in the Worlds-yes. But, coverable in the playoffs. He might be better in Feb. than May. I love his game, but he does not have the separation quickness to create enough easy shots against a great team D. He takes a lot of tough shots too. Artest shut him down last year. I think it is crazy that the GM's picked him over Lebron for MVP by so wide a margin. LBJ is clearly the best player-although the biggest a** too.

3. Boston-Injuries will kill them this year-they have the oldest roster I think I have ever seen. Their spring run was great, but they will not win 50 this year.

4. Orl-A very good team, but where did they improve? VC is older, Nelson is an average starter and they lost Barnes. Unless Lewis bounces back, they will struggle.

[SimonFish]

Troll bait.

[Evilash53]

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[illiance]

Agreed with the first 2. The second 2 are plain wrong.

[barnett114]

Here we go again

[DuckIII]

1. Milwaukee. Hollinger has that "Fluke Rule" for players-he should have it for teams that have a great season that wasn't in line with their talent. They won a ton last year for a lot of reasons, but I see them at 35 wins this year. I love Bogut, but the rest of their roster is suspect.
Jennings-a bit of a chucker, and undersized
CoreyM-Chucker
Salmons-got paid, aging
Gooden-we know how up and down he can be-and his boneheadedness
Bogut-always an injury risk

They will win 35 games this year. Their key last year was chemistry and how hard they played every nite. It won't continue. Plus, Ridinour won a bunch of games for them with his steady play and off the charts shooting.

They won 46 games last year with an inferior team and an injured Bogut. Sure, they could get absolutely decimated by massive injuries and you'd be right, but they have a legit chance of winning the Central outright with Boozer's injury.

I have them at a 48-50 win team, and a top 10 team in the NBA. You'll be wrong.

The only one I think you might be right on is Boston. I think they might break down. They are so old, it has to happen at some point, doesn't it?

I don't really have a stand-out "overrated" team coming into this season. For the last 3-4 years I always said the Wizards. But that flawed team has been blow up.


You know who the most overrated team could be? Us. If we don't stay healthy, which is a real concern considering our players.

[italican07]

OKC is a contender lol.

And I was just looking at their lineup. Imagine if Harden was in the starting lineup

Westbrook
Harden
Green
Durant
Aldrich

College all star team right there.

[MC dhaos]

Durant literally just turned 22 and he's already this good.

[pipfan]

The bucks are the most interesting team here. They just outworked everyone last year. Their run was based on chemistry. Salmons and Mags dominate the ball. So does Jennings. Gooden needs shots-their best player is Bogut. Do you guys really think this will work out?

Plus, Skiles wears on teams and is better with young guys who will go all out. Even with Bogut playing 75 games, I see a real disappointing year.

And as for OKC, there is no way they can be that lucky with injuries again. Plus, they will get teams A games this year-they won't sneak up on people.

I know what I said about KD does not seem logical (especially since he is my second favorite non-bull-still love me some Manu), but I think he is an incredible player-but guardable with good team D. The Lakers held him way down in that series. He does draw a lot of fouls, so that will help him. But he does not get many easy shots. I am probably wrong, but I guess we'll see.

And this isn't slamming any team-just harmless predictions. That was a good point about us being overrated-boozer misses a lot of time and we could be disappointing. But I see Rose as a top 5 MVP guy this year, so what do I know

[jamaica3]

1. Milwaukee. Hollinger has that "Fluke Rule" for players-he should have it for teams that have a great season that wasn't in line with their talent. They won a ton last year for a lot of reasons, but I see them at 35 wins this year. I love Bogut, but the rest of their roster is suspect.
Jennings-a bit of a chucker, and undersized
CoreyM-Chucker
Salmons-got paid, aging
Gooden-we know how up and down he can be-and his boneheadedness
Bogut-always an injury risk

They will win 35 games this year. Their key last year was chemistry and how hard they played every nite. It won't continue. Plus, Ridinour won a bunch of games for them with his steady play and off the charts shooting.

They won 46 games last year with an inferior team and an injured Bogut. Sure, they could get absolutely decimated by massive injuries and you'd be right, but they have a legit chance of winning the Central outright with Boozer's injury.

I have them at a 48-50 win team, and a top 10 team in the NBA. You'll be wrong.

The only one I think you might be right on is Boston. I think they might break down. They are so old, it has to happen at some point, doesn't it?

I don't really have a stand-out "overrated" team coming into this season. For the last 3-4 years I always said the Wizards. But that flawed team has been blow up.


You know who the most overrated team could be? Us. If we don't stay healthy, which is a real concern considering our players.

Nice to see a Bulls fan not trying so hard to convince himself the Bucks suck.

Listen, the Milwaukee-Chicago race is going to be neck and neck all season. Both teams have a legitimate chance at winning the Central, and one of the two with definitely win it.

It's really not a fair assessment to put three East teams in an overrated section. The East is weak, and if anything, it got weaker with the Big 3 now in Miami. Milwaukee, Boston, and Orlando are all pencil-ins for the playoffs (along with Chicago, Atlanta, and Miami). Teams like Boston and Orlando might appear to be overrated but you need to consider who exactly they are being compared to. These teams are so much better than the garbage that is in the East.

[chitownkid12345]

Thats funny...Boston is my pick to win the championship, they have gotten deepen and all their "old" players can rest some in the regular season. And we all see what can happen to a skiles team with expectations but i still think the bucks are at least .500ish. and orlando is good not because of vc but because they have the best center in the nba. he could be right about okc, until they prove more....outside of bulls players, durant is the #1 player im a fan of tho

[boogydown]

I think we can all agree the most overrated team in the Knicks.

Felton In Duhon Out - Medium Upgrade
Azubuike In House Out - Medium Upgrade
Randolph/Turiaf In Harrington Out - Draw
Amare In Lee Out - Small Upgrade

Is this team really that much better with a better Eastern Conference? I think this team ends up with 30

The team traded away this years pick which I think is going to end up being a steal for the Rockets and once again a major loss for the Knicks.

This team keeps making mistakes. Of course Isiah was much worse, but they traded their picks for Lebron, ended up with Amare when they could have just kept Jeffries, Hill, and all their picks. They completely ignore that was yet another major mistake in this joke of an organization.

[pipfan]

I think Boston will miss Allen and House. Allen was great in the playoffs and House could be a nice spark. Other than Rondo, their age is way up there-plus it's all guys with lots of miles too. Allen, PP, KG, Shaq, JON have all played a ton of minutes.

I think NY is seen as a fringe playoff team, which is what they should be. 38-42 wins and maybe a first round beating.

And by overrated for ORL, they are a good team, no doubt. But they are not a threat to Miami. Who guards LBJ and Wade? They will have Howard in foul trouble early and VC is done.

[kyrv]

PIpfan do you mean Tony Allen? They kept Ray, they lost Tony? I agree I felt he helped them in the playoffs. I agree with chitownkid Boston if healthy is right up there with the Lakers and @#$@$&(.

I agree with Duck on Washington in previous years, media seemed to always predict them wrong.

I agree with boogydown, now these Knicks might well be better for Pringle's system, won't shock me, but I'm kind of more, until they do something, they haven't done squat.

I guess with 90% of what's been posted in this thread. Maybe if OKC is considered as good as the Lakers, maybe they are overrated, but they are good team and I would expect top four out west this year.

[Tommy Udo 6]

I dont think Milw will be that good because Skiles usually doesnt put 2 good seasons back to back.
Skiles peaks in his second season (see Suns, Bulls, Bucks) & it is all downhill after that for him and his teams

[Red Larrivee]

I think we can all agree the most overrated team in the Knicks.

Felton In Duhon Out - Medium Upgrade
Azubuike In House Out - Medium Upgrade
Randolph/Turiaf In Harrington Out - Draw
Amare In Lee Out - Small Upgrade

Is this team really that much better with a better Eastern Conference? I think this team ends up with 30

The team traded away this years pick which I think is going to end up being a steal for the Rockets and once again a major loss for the Knicks.

This team keeps making mistakes. Of course Isiah was much worse, but they traded their picks for Lebron, ended up with Amare when they could have just kept Jeffries, Hill, and all their picks. They completely ignore that was yet another major mistake in this joke of an organization.

Who's rating the Knicks? I don't think it's overrated to say they're a playoff team. Amare vs. Lee isn't a small upgrade. Amare's picked apart defenses single handedly on big stages, and is the most explosive and athletic PF in the game. I don't know how he'll do as the leader and best player of a team, but they certainly got better.

[boogydown]

Who's rating the Knicks? I don't think it's overrated to say they're a playoff team. Amare vs. Lee isn't a small upgrade. Amare's picked apart defenses single handedly on big stages, and is the most explosive and athletic PF in the game. I don't know how he'll do as the leader and best player of a team, but they certainly got better.

Some of the Knicks are.

There was just a thread in the general board on how they are the 2nd best team in the East.

[DanTown8587]

Who's rating the Knicks? I don't think it's overrated to say they're a playoff team. Amare vs. Lee isn't a small upgrade. Amare's picked apart defenses single handedly on big stages, and is the most explosive and athletic PF in the game. I don't know how he'll do as the leader and best player of a team, but they certainly got better.

Some of the Knicks are.

There was just a thread in the general board on how they are the 2nd best team in the East.

There is a contingent of Bulls fans that wouldn't trade Derrick Rose for Chris Paul. There are Bulls fans that think Dwight Howard isn't that good because he doesn't score in the low post that well. There are Bulls fans that seriously believe the Bulls have a better five than Miami.

None of the previous would be considered a "widely held opinion" and would be blasted on all non-Bulls forums. So just like the few fans arguing for NY, you have to take the majority and use that to base overrated/underrated.

By the way, the Bulls are overrated a little bit too. Would probably have them third after Oklahoma City (more "eh" players 3-9 than a possible dark horse should have) and Charlotte (they lose two quality C, their starting PG and replace them with no one and there is no drop off?).

[Leithid]

There is a contingent of Bulls fans that wouldn't trade Derrick Rose for Chris Paul. There are Bulls fans that think Dwight Howard isn't that good because he doesn't score in the low post that well. There are Bulls fans that seriously believe the Bulls have a better five than Miami.

None of the previous would be considered a "widely held opinion" and would be blasted on all non-Bulls forums. So just like the few fans arguing for NY, you have to take the majority and use that to base overrated/underrated.

By the way, the Bulls are overrated a little bit too. Would probably have them third after Oklahoma City (more "eh" players 3-9 than a possible dark horse should have) and Charlotte (they lose two quality C, their starting PG and replace them with no one and there is no drop off?).

I think it is pretty safe to say that the majority opinion is that New York improved significantly this offseason and would likely make it to the playoffs this season. That, IMO, is way overrating New York. At this point, I think that Cleveland and Toronto both have far better chances of making it to the playoffs than New York does. People are expecting New York to be a 41-win team, when in reality they are closer to a 31-win team.

[pipfan]

I think NY is a fringe playoff team, ripe for a first round beating.

Char. is a team I didn't think about-I'm not sure where "experts" have them, but they could drop back to 30 wins or so, and for a while (great for us). They have no real young talent, LBrown has a track record of losing interest and MJ will keep the purse strings tight. Who is their point guard?