Rose Tidbits

Post #61 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:20 pm

Linguistik wrote:Derrick would probably adjust his game if Monta comes. He would just become more of a point guard. Bring the ball up the court, give it to Monta...get out of the way.

He even said it himself....he doesn't care if he scores just 5 points a game...he only cares about winning

Giving your shots up to a worse scorer would be the opposite of what you would want to do if winning is your main concern.

jl342323 · Post #62 » by **jl342323** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:22 pm

ikkoikki wrote:that would be terrible. We need Derrick to have the ball in his hands the majority of time and take at least 20 shots per game imo.

Neither of those guys are good off the ball players. and Monta is not a particularly good or efficient shooter either.

in cp3's best year, he took 16 shots per game and scored 22. he also averaged 11 assists per game. you really dont want your pg to take 20 shot a night thats just way too much imo. he took that many shots this year bc we needed that from him. he has great pick n roll player in boozer, a nice slasher(when he gets the ball on the move) in deng, shooter at sg (Jrich), three point specialist in korver. thats plenty of offensive fire power for drose to just play like an actual point guard. he needs to improve his point guard skills if he wants to be great. i dont want to see him go 1-8 on 3s and dont facilitate the team in the right way. he will be 20 and 10 guy. i think monta ellis would adjust real well in here. takes pressure off drose. we all know whos getting the ball at the final minutes, so having ellis benefits us more than it hurts

ikkoikki · Post #63 » by **ikkoikki** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:25 pm

We have to trade too much for monta and I'm not convinced he's THAT much of a better option than J.R. Smith to justify that trade.

I don't think 20 shots a night is too much for Rose. 28, 29, 30 shots per night like he was taking in the finals...yeah thats too much. but 20 for Rose shouldn't be imo, the boy is good.

I agree he needs to cool it on the 3's though. He needs to blame himself a little bit more and realize his 3pt game threw the touch off his mid range game, and it really hurt him in the latter half of the season and in the post season

red222 · Post #64 » by **red222** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:34 pm

jl342323 wrote:
ikkoikki wrote:that would be terrible. We need Derrick to have the ball in his hands the majority of time and take at least 20 shots per game imo.

Neither of those guys are good off the ball players. and Monta is not a particularly good or efficient shooter either.

in cp3's best year, he took 16 shots per game and scored 22. he also averaged 11 assists per game. you really dont want your pg to take 20 shot a night thats just way too much imo. he took that many shots this year bc we needed that from him. he has great pick n roll player in boozer, a nice slasher(when he gets the ball on the move) in deng, shooter at sg (Jrich), three point specialist in korver. thats plenty of offensive fire power for drose to just play like an actual point guard. he needs to improve his point guard skills if he wants to be great. i dont want to see him go 1-8 on 3s and dont facilitate the team in the right way. he will be 20 and 10 guy. i think monta ellis would adjust real well in here. takes pressure off drose. we all know whos getting the ball at the final minutes, so having ellis benefits us more than it hurts

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS???

Post #65 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:36 pm

Ellis prevents your PG from "playing like a real PG", because he's a massive high volume combo, that's why Golden State was considering dumping him, so they could fully turn the team over to Steph Curry.

kyrv · Post #66 » by **kyrv** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:38 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:
Sunk Cost wrote:This is a quality thread, but I think it's a little early to start the D Rose comparisons

Ha - well I just meant it more like...if it's your plane then you call the shots.

I had this debate with said buddy though. He is basically so impressed with Rose telling ownership what to do and getting what he wants. Getting mgmt to come to his house, etc. To me, that's the sort of thing where ...I grew up with players getting what they wanted on the court, and then letting management manage as far as the offcourt things. To me, that's everyone using their strengths to run their specific part of the franchise.

Plead like crazy for a SG, yes...but I just don't want an ego situation. That goes for players and FO both.

I agree with you and the way you put it. I applaud the Bulls for wanting to avoid posse/entourage situations and I like them working with their superstar, doesn't sound like Rose was telling them which deals to make just that (as the world knows) the Bulls need a little more help.

To others wondering about the stuff i'm keeping back, it's just gossip column type crap that I dont feel like publicizing.

Thank you, awesome decision.

Thanks again for sharing!

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Oh how could I forget, that's pretty awesome that Jordan is in contact with him. Long way away from him telling young Bulls like Crawford to get the h out of Chicago asap.

PMONSTER · Post #67 » by **PMONSTER** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:41 pm

ikkoikki wrote:I don't think 20 shots a night is too much for Rose. 28, 29, 30 shots per night like he was taking in the finals...yeah thats too much. but 20 for Rose shouldn't be imo, the boy is good.

I agree he needs to cool it on the 3's though. He needs to blame himself a little bit more and realize his 3pt game threw the touch off his mid range game, and it really hurt him in the latter half of the season and in the post season

I feel the same way. 20 for Rose is perfect. The only way I want Rose taking less shots like Nash/Paul is when there is somebody better at creating his own shot than Rose and considering that Rose is now top5, the only way that happens is if KD decides to take his talents to the Windy City.

But I do disagree with you saying he needs to "blame himself a little bit more." The reason Rose started taking so many shots and threes in particular is because Rose felt he had no help. He probably felt the he was the only one capable of scoring so he decided to take whatever shot he saw.

imagge · Post #68 » by **imagge** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:49 pm

PMONSTER wrote:
ikkoikki wrote:I don't think 20 shots a night is too much for Rose. 28, 29, 30 shots per night like he was taking in the finals...yeah thats too much. but 20 for Rose shouldn't be imo, the boy is good.

I agree he needs to cool it on the 3's though. He needs to blame himself a little bit more and realize his 3pt game threw the touch off his mid range game, and it really hurt him in the latter half of the season and in the post season

I feel the same way. 20 for Rose is perfect. The only way I want Rose taking less shots like Nash/Paul is when there is somebody better at creating his own shot than Rose and considering that Rose is now top5, the only way that happens is if KD decides to take his talents to the Windy City.

But I do disagree with you saying he needs to "blame himself a little bit more." The reason Rose started taking so many shots and threes in particular is because Rose felt he had no help. He probably felt the he was the only one capable of scoring so he decided to take whatever shot he saw.

Really disagree with this statement, there is not a player on the Suns or the Hornets that is better at creating their own shots than Nash/Paul yet neither avgs 20+ shots per game. I do believe as the game slows down for Rose as a PG he will take less shots. His shot selection/numbers of shots taken will change as he becomes a real Vet....remember this was only his third year, he is a really young player and learning to play the PG position in the NBA takes some time.

DanTown8587 · Post #69 » by **DanTown8587** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:50 pm

AAU Teammate wrote:

Post ECF, the stay-at-home-ness got to the point where Rose was getting greasy home-cooked stuff snuck over to him...and I guess the D-Rose personal chef was actually getting really pissed about it.

As soon as Rose emerged from this, he began pestering management for a two guard

These two things above all else bother me. The first one shows a lack of willing to deal with failure. Sure, I'm a fatty who gets upset and eats crap food. But I'm not also trying to lead a NBA team. Basically, I've only been told of Derrick's great resolve and this directly questions it.

The second one to me is unacceptable at any level. No matter the player, no matter the situation, Derrick shouldn't be openly complaining to management about the players already here. This has almost never worked for anyone previous to Rose (did it help Kobe, LeBron or MJ) and it shows a disconnect between Rose and the rest of the team.

TechMansoor · Post #70 » by **TechMansoor** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:50 pm

15-20 shots is ideal for D-Rose..he is too athletically gifted coupled with his abilities as a finisher not to be taken that many shots..that aspect of comparing him to d-will and cp is mind boggling when he is the negative light of that comparison..

I wish the OP could reveal who he is exactly taking care of....i know he got his boys who he consider fam and who lives with him....I dont know about any other cultures communities as it relates to a single person becoming successful..but that stuff is lethal in the African American community where if a young person seemingly makes it...then "we all" make it some how....

A guy that was on the grizzlies here in Memphis, who I respect because of what he did for my little brother, Antonio Burks never reached his potential and was just a bit mentally off during his NBA time by suggesting the grizzlies needed another point guard when it was his time to step up..he basically tried to take care of his entire 3rd ward/guys he grew up with at the boys club community which makes no sense what so ever!!!!!!!!! I personally know people who said, "Burks made it to the NBA, I don't have to work anymore!!".. Grown men or young men actually saying this!!!!! God!!!

I can only hope this doesn't happen to little brother..his humility can actually bite him in this sense... :-(

ikkoikki · Post #71 » by **ikkoikki** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:51 pm

agree with you Tech, I hope Rose takes care of his money and doesn't let friends and family members take advantage of him.

ikkoikki · Post #72 » by **ikkoikki** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:54 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:
AAU Teammate wrote:

Post ECF, the stay-at-home-ness got to the point where Rose was getting greasy home-cooked stuff snuck over to him...and I guess the D-Rose personal chef was actually getting really pissed about it.

As soon as Rose emerged from this, he began pestering management for a two guard

These two things above all else bother me. The first one shows a lack of willing to deal with failure. Sure, I'm a fatty who gets upset and eats crap food. But I'm not also trying to lead a NBA team. Basically, I've only been told of Derrick's great resolve and this directly questions it.

The second one to me is unacceptable at any level. No matter the player, no matter the situation, Derrick shouldn't be openly complaining to management about the players already here. This has almost never worked for anyone previous to Rose (did it help Kobe, LeBron or MJ) and it shows a disconnect between Rose and the rest of the team.

I found it surprising too, I thought Rose wasn't the type of person to basically say he wants his teammates off the team. Maybe losing changed his mind.

Post #73 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:55 pm

Paul needed to shoot more this year, his team won the only 2 games in the playoffs where he took 14 shots or more.

If the choice with Rose is taking 25% of his shots away while waiting for him to turn into Nash/Paul, then the Bulls are going to get much worse in the short term, and probably forever, because I don't see him ever turning into that kind of PG.

Rose is a great player because he's a legit #1 option as well as a pretty good, not great, playmaker. If you willingly neuter his offense down to a Chris Paul volume, Rose becomes a worse player. Just giving up the ball more does not equal producing better opportunity for others, that is about skill, and you can't just conjure it from nowhere by shooting less.

Rose will look like a better passing PG automatically when he has a real SG and a healthy Boozer/Noah.

Trm3 · Post #74 » by **Trm3** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:00 pm

No need for Monte..JR would be perfect.

Good stuff AAU

jl342323 · Post #75 » by **jl342323** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:00 pm

red222 wrote:CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS???

get people involved. be more of a facilitator. whats wrong with that?

as of right now drose doesnt know how to create easy shots for his teammates

AAU Teammate · Post #76 » by **AAU Teammate** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:01 pm

Well its a minor point, but if Rose wants a SG, it doesnt mean he wants Bogans off the team, or wants Korver off the team. Bogans can still play his 10 mpg even if we add a player.

In fact, if management was more open to cutting some Luol minutes, there would be enough space for a new SG plus Korver/Bogans/Brewer all to be on the team. Hell, each of those SGs likely wants improvement in one form or another. Who amongst them doesn't want to avenge that Miami loss?

Besides, those 3 current guys already know what it's like to be an NBA role player

jumpmanjay · Post #77 » by **jumpmanjay** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:03 pm

ikkoikki wrote:I found it surprising too, I thought Rose wasn't the type of person to basically say he wants his teammates off the team. Maybe losing changed his mind.

he didnt do it publicly. i dont have a problem with it.

ever play pickup with a bunch of your friends...and then when you lose, you know it was cause one guy on your team isnt that good? and everyone on the court knows he isnt that good? ...yet everyone loves him cause hes their friend...but if you want to win, you need a different guy?

its like that.

ikkoikki · Post #78 » by **ikkoikki** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:04 pm

jl342323 wrote:
red222 wrote:CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS???

get people involved. be more of a facilitator. whats wrong with that?

as of right now drose doesnt know how to create easy shots for his teammates

he knows to drive and kick, it works fine. Adding a SG who can handle the ball and create for himself will open everything up for Rose, and Boozer, and Noah, and Korver...and every one.

red222 · Post #79 » by **red222** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:05 pm

jl342323 wrote:
red222 wrote:CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS???

get people involved. be more of a facilitator. whats wrong with that?

as of right now drose doesnt know how to create easy shots for his teammates

large shot attempts doesn't equal non-facilitation i strongly disagree with he cant create easy shot attempts he just isn't at Paul's level in that regard but taking away from his strong suit doesn't make us better IMO.

ikkoikki · Post #80 » by **ikkoikki** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:07 pm

jumpmanjay wrote:
ikkoikki wrote:I found it surprising too, I thought Rose wasn't the type of person to basically say he wants his teammates off the team. Maybe losing changed his mind.

he didnt do it publicly. i dont have a problem with it.

ever play pickup with a bunch of your friends...and then when you lose, you know it was cause one guy on your team isnt that good? and everyone on the court knows he isnt that good? ...yet everyone loves him cause hes their friend...but if you want to win, you need a different guy?

its like that.

no, I don't know what that's like. I'm the guy on the team who everyone knows isn't that good :lol: