Boozer plus a BAE player vs. a $6-7 million FA + room MLE

BuffaloBull · Post #41 » by **BuffaloBull** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:53 pm

I don't see a scenario where Boozer and Mirotic are both here, so as long as Nikolai is able to come over, I think Boozer's gone one way or another.

Mirotic gives you a nucleus like this

Noah, Taj, Mirotic
Jimmy
Derrick

that's 5 players. I'm comfortable throwing one of Dunleavy or Snell in that rotation to give you a wing shooter:

Noah, Taj, Mirotic
Jimmy (Mike D/Snell)
Derrick

Just looking at that roster, a vet who can shoot and/or run a pick and roll would be my next option. Sergio Rodriguez might be one way to go if his Real Madrid obligations are up (I have no idea if that's the case). Young vets like Lance Stephenson & Jordan Crawford might also be options here.

Darius Miles Davis · Post #42 » by **Darius Miles Davis** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:53 pm

LoveDaBoo wrote:Zach Lowe thinks we should target Lance Stephenson. What do we think about that?

He has really blossomed. I've always gotten the sense that he will stay in Indiana, but stealing him would weaken their team.

DanTown8587 · Post #43 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:56 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Thanks

Could we get around it if we traded for Hayward at the deadline? Just asking hypothetically...

Yes, we could sign Nikola with the MLE and sign Hayward with bird rights (assuming the Bulls amnesty Boozer) but then of course the issue of trading for Hayward happens.

Post #44 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 7:58 pm

Stephenson is on he arc of JR Smith in my opinion. The overall stats look good but so many times he makes some ridiculously bad plays.

This year his overall great play has sort of dimmed his dufus ones much in the same way JR's was more forgivable last year.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #45 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:04 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Thanks

Could we get around it if we traded for Hayward at the deadline? Just asking hypothetically...

Yes, we could sign Nikola with the MLE and sign Hayward with bird rights (assuming the Bulls amnesty Boozer) but then of course the issue of trading for Hayward happens.

Thanks

MGB8 · Post #46 » by **MGB8** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:06 pm

Cr@p, the cap rules are BS and punish under the cap teams by counting "exceptions" to the cap against the cap, unless renounced. Which means likely that Nikola might wait one more year, if the right player (who would take up most of the cap space) is available.

See http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

weneeda2guard · Post #47 » by **weneeda2guard** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:18 pm

Maybe I'm in the minority

But screw miritoc

Let him sit another year, why is it all this hassle on a unproven euro? We can't hold the franchise going back and forth with Barcelona on this contract. Hell does he even want to come?

My plan would be amnesty boozer clear the cap space and go after Evan turner and Ben Gordon
Pair them with our draft picks

If we strike out on a top 4 pick we take the 5th- whatever pick package that with kings pick bobcat pick Cleveland pick rights to miritoc possibly taj or boozer expiring and go strong after Kevin love on draft night

Rose
Turner
Butler
Love
Noah

MarkDeeks · Post #48 » by **MarkDeeks** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:21 pm

Mirotic is only unproven if you ignore every game he's ever played in.

MarkDeeks · Post #49 » by **MarkDeeks** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:22 pm

If we strike out on a top 4 pick we take the 5th- whatever pick package that with kings pick bobcat pick Cleveland pick rights to miritoc possibly taj or boozer expiring and go strong after Kevin love on draft night

"Hi there. You have the best power forward in the world. We would like to trade three inferior power forwards for him."

LoveDaBoo · Post #50 » by **LoveDaBoo** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:37 pm

MarkDeeks wrote:Mirotic is only unproven if you ignore every game he's ever played in.

I do worry about his athleticism in the league tho.

TyrusRose2425 · Post #51 » by **TyrusRose2425** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:38 pm

MarkDeeks wrote:Mirotic is only unproven if you ignore every game he's ever played in.

How good do you think he'll be? Comparable to any other NBA player?

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #52 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:11 pm

For next season
already signed : Rose 18.8M, Noah 13.1M, Gibson 8M, Dunleavy 3M, Butler 2.1M , Snell 1.4M, Teague 1.1M
Boozer AMNESTIED.. So we have 7 players for 47,5M, Salary cap projection to be 62M, Luxury cap treshold limit will be probably around 74M.. soo we will have 26-27M to spend and we dont pay extra tax money..
Mirotic 5M per season right? re-sign Augustin and Hinrich for 2M per season both.. three draft picks 2 in 1st round 12-18 and one 2nd rounder 4M approx. Trade or waive Teague..

Rose / Augustin / Hinrich
G.Harris DP? / Snell / Butler
Butler / Dunleavy
Mirotic / Gibson / A.Gordon DP?
Noah / M.McGary DP?
this is lineup for approx. 60M ,soo there is room for another really good FA for 11-12M per season signing..

Post #53 » by **Ice Man** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:13 pm

MarkDeeks wrote:"Hi there. You have the best power forward in the world. We would like to trade three inferior power forwards for him."

Such is realgm.

TheStig · Post #54 » by **TheStig** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:15 pm

MarkDeeks wrote:Mirotic is only unproven if you ignore every game he's ever played in.

Every player ever drafted in the NBA could say the same thing about playing some sort of organized basketball, it doesn't make them a proven NBA player.

SpinninHouse · Post #55 » by **SpinninHouse** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:31 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
MarkDeeks wrote:You can scratch Dunleavy. He gone. Renouce Kirk, Cook, Vlad, Nazr, Scal, obvs.

Rose - $18,862,876
Noah - $12,200,000
Gibson - $8,000,000
Butler - $2,008,748
Snell - $1,472,400
2014 first - $1.4 million ish
Teague - $1,120,920
Mirotic's cap charge until he's signed - $1,075,300
Murphy - $816,482
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Roster charge - $507,336
Rip* - $333,334

Total - $48,812,068

Latest cap estimate - $62.1 million

Space under it - $13,287,793

Get excited, ladies.

Is this possible?

Sign Hayward with the 13mil and change.

Then use the MLE for Nikola?

I would like to sign Gordon Hayward and Nikolas Mirotic. If were able to get a high enough pick to draft Marcus Smart, that would be an excellent off-season. Not sure if how realistic it is. Hayward is going to command good money and we'd need a top-4 pick to nab Smart.

MarkDeeks · Post #56 » by **MarkDeeks** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:01 am

LoveDaBoo wrote:
MarkDeeks wrote:Mirotic is only unproven if you ignore every game he's ever played in.

I do worry about his athleticism in the league tho.

You shouldn't.

Axl Rose · Post #57 » by **Axl Rose** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 11:23 am

ppl really want to overpay hayward?

im not saying hes a bad player but hes just another 3rd option type guy

FORMIDABULLS · Post #58 » by **FORMIDABULLS** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:05 pm

Should a star eg. Carmelo wants to opt out for Chicago, Boozer's expiring can still be useful to match salaries in trades. Maybe we'll have to throw in some picks as incentives, find a 3rd or 4th team or something. We then get to use the full MLE for Mirotic (hope he accepts) if it doesn't bring us over the LT line. That said, we can still afford to survey the FA market a little before the amnesty deadline, it's best the Bulls don't be in a hurry to make decisions.

Doom · Post #59 » by **Doom** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:09 pm

AirGordon7 wrote:ppl really want to overpay hayward?

im not saying hes a bad player but hes just another 3rd option type guy

he's really not...

Axl Rose · Post #60 » by **Axl Rose** » Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:42 pm

Doom wrote:
AirGordon7 wrote:ppl really want to overpay hayward?

im not saying hes a bad player but hes just another 3rd option type guy

he's really not...

what makes you think hes not? because he had a great game against KD?