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2Chainz wrote:Just looking at the Bulls roster if you swap out Noah for the guy listed right behind him (Aldridge) and right in front of him (Noah) the Bulls would be exponentially better. Those other teams not so much.
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2Chainz wrote:The Bulls with Aldridge or Anthony in place of Noah are title favorites.
Jvaughn wrote:2Chainz wrote:Just looking at the Bulls roster if you swap out Noah for the guy listed right behind him (Aldridge) and right in front of him (Noah) the Bulls would be exponentially better. Those other teams not so much.
I think that's one of those situations where both teams get worse.
2Chainz wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:2Chainz wrote:Just looking at the Bulls roster if you swap out Noah for the guy listed right behind him (Aldridge) and right in front of him (Noah) the Bulls would be exponentially better. Those other teams not so much.
You could apply that "logic" with any player and have interesting, nonsensical results.
You could take Marc Gasol (#14) and switch him out with LeMarcus Aldridge (#13) and immediately make Portland a much strong team and Memphis a weaker team.
This, much like PER, is a boring, pointless game without the adequate context layered in.
I think both of those teams would still be close to where they are now. New York would fall off the map with Noah and Portland would take a dive as well.
musiqsoulchild wrote:2Chainz wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:
You could apply that "logic" with any player and have interesting, nonsensical results.
You could take Marc Gasol (#14) and switch him out with LeMarcus Aldridge (#13) and immediately make Portland a much strong team and Memphis a weaker team.
This, much like PER, is a boring, pointless game without the adequate context layered in.
I think both of those teams would still be close to where they are now. New York would fall off the map with Noah and Portland would take a dive as well.
This is what I mean...there is no context to what you are saying.
You are looking at these ratings in such a vaccum. And using that to push your point that Aldridge is a better fit on the Bulls than Noah is on the Bulls.
How exactly does Aldridge fit? Have you seen how much PnR we play? Or how little? Do you know that Aldridge has pretty much survived on the 2 point shot. And that he is a poor defender and with a Noah for Aldridge swap, we can kiss our defense goodbye.
Melo of course fits better on our roster ...but that has nothing to do with the ESPN rankings.
Noah is not untradeable (in terms of basketball), but there's very few players I would trade him for. Marc Gasol is an example.
2Chainz wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:2Chainz wrote:
I think both of those teams would still be close to where they are now. New York would fall off the map with Noah and Portland would take a dive as well.
This is what I mean...there is no context to what you are saying.
You are looking at these ratings in such a vaccum. And using that to push your point that Aldridge is a better fit on the Bulls than Noah is on the Bulls.
How exactly does Aldridge fit? Have you seen how much PnR we play? Or how little? Do you know that Aldridge has pretty much survived on the 2 point shot. And that he is a poor defender and with a Noah for Aldridge swap, we can kiss our defense goodbye.
Melo of course fits better on our roster ...but that has nothing to do with the ESPN rankings.
Noah is not untradeable (in terms of basketball), but there's very few players I would trade him for. Marc Gasol is an example.
Some of Rose's biggest passing games came playing in the 2 man game with 50 year Kurt Thomas. And no Aldridge is not a poor defender, where do you come up with that? With Gasol at the 5 and Aldridge at the 4 the defense would still survive
musiqsoulchild wrote:2Chainz wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:
This is what I mean...there is no context to what you are saying.
You are looking at these ratings in such a vaccum. And using that to push your point that Aldridge is a better fit on the Bulls than Noah is on the Bulls.
How exactly does Aldridge fit? Have you seen how much PnR we play? Or how little? Do you know that Aldridge has pretty much survived on the 2 point shot. And that he is a poor defender and with a Noah for Aldridge swap, we can kiss our defense goodbye.
Melo of course fits better on our roster ...but that has nothing to do with the ESPN rankings.
Noah is not untradeable (in terms of basketball), but there's very few players I would trade him for. Marc Gasol is an example.
Some of Rose's biggest passing games came playing in the 2 man game with 50 year Kurt Thomas. And no Aldridge is not a poor defender, where do you come up with that? With Gasol at the 5 and Aldridge at the 4 the defense would still survive
Where did I come up with Aldridge is a bad defender? I pulled it outta my ass.
50 year old Kurt Thomas is a pretty good comparison to Aldridge by the way. Except Kurt was a superb defender and rebounder as well.
dice wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:2Chainz wrote:
Some of Rose's biggest passing games came playing in the 2 man game with 50 year Kurt Thomas. And no Aldridge is not a poor defender, where do you come up with that? With Gasol at the 5 and Aldridge at the 4 the defense would still survive
Where did I come up with Aldridge is a bad defender? I pulled it outta my ass.
50 year old Kurt Thomas is a pretty good comparison to Aldridge by the way. Except Kurt was a superb defender and rebounder as well.
aldridge is not a bad defender. i don't think he ever was
musiqsoulchild wrote:dice wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:
Where did I come up with Aldridge is a bad defender? I pulled it outta my ass.
50 year old Kurt Thomas is a pretty good comparison to Aldridge by the way. Except Kurt was a superb defender and rebounder as well.
aldridge is not a bad defender. i don't think he ever was
He is not...we are talking specifically about switching Noah for Aldridge. This is the premise brought up by 2Chains.
Which would be bad for our defense.
musiqsoulchild wrote:By the way, congrats to Noah on being the highest rated Bull.
Really, we have 2 Top 15 players and the rest are all in the Top 70. Rose may have been #28, but his rating much like Wade's and Bosh's is deflated by prior years and usage.
2Chainz wrote:musiqsoulchild wrote:dice wrote:aldridge is not a bad defender. i don't think he ever was
He is not...we are talking specifically about switching Noah for Aldridge. This is the premise brought up by 2Chains.
Which would be bad for our defense.
But you explicitly said he was a poor defender. The increase in our offense would make up for whatever shortfall there is in the Bulls defense which Thibs would never let fall off. But you're right Aldridge is no better than 50 year old Kurt Thomas so carry on.
Drellberg wrote:If we're using a rack and stack methodology to assess the odds of a title, the Spurs are in huge trouble ... They have one player at #15 (Parker), two more in the twenties (#21 Duncan and #24 KL) and then some huge drop-offs to #56, #87, and #87. I guess those guys should tank and go for the rebuild.
And last year's Heat must have been fantastically lucky even to make it through the first round of playoffs. That was barely 3 months ago. Aside from LBJ (#1), that team had only Bosh (#20) and then a big drop off to #36 (Wade) and ... Chalmers (#153), Anderson (#166) and then total cr*p.
If Rose surprises on the upside, so that the bulls have two top 15 players, then by this methodology no team coming out of the west has much of a chance. The bulls' only worry is the Cavs! The winner of that series can coast through the finals.
dice wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:Crazy talk..
Noah is nowhere NEAR the player LaMarcus Aldridge is. Call me when Noah does this in a series vs a frontline anchored by Asik & Dwight Howard.
Game 1 in Houston—46 points, 18 rebounds and a two assists.
Game 2 in Houston—43 points, 8 rebounds and three blocks.
Game 3 in Portland—23 points, 10 rebounds, three assists
Game 4 in Portland—29 points, 10 rebounds, two assists and four blocks.
call me when lamarcus aldridge can do anything close to that on a consistent basis. he's another inefficient volume scorer
#4 in mvp voting. joakim noah. aldridge #10
the media's catching up to what makes a great basketball player faster than fans are. that's what this is
Proven_Winner wrote:I don't get why some of you are so butthurt about these rankings. They don't even mean anything. It's just some people's opinion.
johnnyvann840 wrote:dice wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:Crazy talk..
Noah is nowhere NEAR the player LaMarcus Aldridge is. Call me when Noah does this in a series vs a frontline anchored by Asik & Dwight Howard.
Game 1 in Houston—46 points, 18 rebounds and a two assists.
Game 2 in Houston—43 points, 8 rebounds and three blocks.
Game 3 in Portland—23 points, 10 rebounds, three assists
Game 4 in Portland—29 points, 10 rebounds, two assists and four blocks.
call me when lamarcus aldridge can do anything close to that on a consistent basis. he's another inefficient volume scorer
#4 in mvp voting. joakim noah. aldridge #10
the media's catching up to what makes a great basketball player faster than fans are. that's what this is
Despite those big games, Aldridge had a piss poor TS% in those same playoffs. He was just a black hole taking tons of shots at bad efficiency overall. Same with his career TS% and his career playoff TS%.
NecessaryEvil wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:
Despite those big games, Aldridge had a piss poor TS% in those same playoffs. He was just a black hole taking tons of shots at bad efficiency overall. Same with his career TS% and his career playoff TS%.
and yet they compete in a very difficult west while he leads his team with a young pg. Imagine if that PG were D-Rose. They'd be the legitimate favorite in the NBA.
I could care less what his TS% was. He absolutely DOMINATED the Houston Rockets and put up historic numbers in the process.
I'll take that black hole, put him next to D-Rose and be the favorite in the east every year. He'd be even more dangerous in this conference.
