Kevin Love Injury (Update pg 26), JR Smith Suspended 2 Games

Dieselbound&Down · Post #421 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:46 pm

DuckIII wrote:
Droseisthe1 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/592720474104274944[/tweet]

Would this factor into the J.R. suspension in any way? Will the league office take this into consideration?

They should not. As I wrote with Olynyk, the suspension should be based on the action and degree of intent, not the result. Unfortunately, I doubt the league agrees with me on that.

In practice, the league may treat things differently depending on the outcome. But I don't see how they can publicly state that as grounds for how they dole out punishment. Regardless, hitting someone hard enough to cause temporary unconsciousness/loss of faculties that then results in an injury is fairly straightforward. The severity of the knee injury to me has little meaning. What matters is the original intent to hit him, aiming at the head with a fist and connecting hard enough to cause unconsciousness.

I would be surprised if this is less than 5. Actually I would be mildly surprised (and disappointed because it means a long series) if JR plays in round 2. JR does have a long history. Even worse for him, he has a long rap sheet just in the last 2 years. This will be his 4th suspension in the last 2 years and he's been fined 3 times over that span. Last year he started the year on a 5 game drug suspension. Last year in the playoffs, game 3 of round 1 he threw an elbow and was suspended for a game. This past November, he was suspended for a nut punch on Glen Rice JR. Now he does this. I would be happy if he was teaming in the back court with Stephon Marbury next year.

maynardo · Post #422 » by **maynardo** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:54 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453719851192321[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453747214782464[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592461143244939265[/tweet]

WindyCityBorn · Post #423 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:56 pm

maynardo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/592724191314636801[/tweet]

Class

What would you expect him to say? "It sucks, but it helps our chances." He and everyone else knows this improves Chicago's chances of winning.

johnnyvann840 · Post #424 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:57 pm

Honestly, it's ridiculous that JR is even still in the league. He is a danger to everyone else on the floor and a time bomb. The Players Association would be wise to just get him out with a lifetime ban.. his record is more than enough. oh wait... too bad Lebron runs it.

WindyCityBorn · Post #425 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:59 pm

maynardo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453719851192321[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453747214782464[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592461143244939265[/tweet]

Did the injuries occur in the playoffs and what math determined that the injuries didn't cause losses? I know damn well the Kings lost games while Cousins was out. Is this saying they would have lost any way and thus the injuries didn't factor in?

Please don't tell me you are about to go spouting that Love being out doesn't matter(plus JR Smith), because that would be delusional.

otwok · Post #426 » by **otwok** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:06 pm

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... es-injury/

Do not know how true this is.

pylb · Post #427 » by **pylb** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:12 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
maynardo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453719851192321[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453747214782464[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592461143244939265[/tweet]

Did the injuries occur in the playoffs and what math determined that the injuries didn't cause losses? I know damn well the Kings lost games while Cousins was out. Is this saying they would have lost any way and thus the injuries didn't factor in?

Please don't tell me you are about to go spouting that Love being out doesn't matter(plus JR Smith), because that would be delusional.

I think by games lost he means games missed.

Droseisthe1 · Post #428 » by **Droseisthe1** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:20 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly, it's ridiculous that JR is even still in the league. He is a danger to everyone else on the floor and a time bomb. The Players Association would be wise to just get him out with a lifetime ban.. his record is more than enough. oh wait... too bad Lebron runs it.

Hey man, I totally agree with you here. I know many will say that's a blatant overreaction but when you look at the totality of his offenses, when does enough become enough? This guy is hopeless. It reminds me of a Brandon Marshall situation...hear me out. They both are the same in that the next team always thinks they can change him and can set him straight. If so, he's a productive player, and in Marshall's case, a top 5 player at his position. But after 2 or 3 years, their presence and actions just wear on you and over time, they end up being the same person they always were.

I'm so tired of J.R. Smith and he's not even a good enough player to keep justifying his actions each and every time. I'm glad we got rid of his ass 6 days after we traded for him, in the Tyson Chandler deal.

WindyCityBorn · Post #429 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:20 pm

pylb wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
maynardo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453719851192321[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592453747214782464[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RotowireATC/status/592461143244939265[/tweet]

Did the injuries occur in the playoffs and what math determined that the injuries didn't cause losses? I know damn well the Kings lost games while Cousins was out. Is this saying they would have lost any way and thus the injuries didn't factor in?

Please don't tell me you are about to go spouting that Love being out doesn't matter(plus JR Smith), because that would be delusional.

I think by games lost he means games missed.

Oh Ok. I could see him gutting it out after about a week off, but he will be nowhere near 100 percent. Good luck fighting for rebounds and shooting 3s with a bum shoulder. Only positive is that it was his off arm.

maynardo · Post #430 » by **maynardo** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:23 pm

With all this JR Smith stuff I remembered this:

Now they're teammates :lol:

, What a KnuckleHead :lol:

musiqsoulchild · Post #431 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:35 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly, it's ridiculous that JR is even still in the league. He is a danger to everyone else on the floor and a time bomb. The Players Association would be wise to just get him out with a lifetime ban.. his record is more than enough. oh wait... too bad Lebron runs it.

He is one of the few sportspersons who has directly caused the death the another human being.

He served 30 days of jail time for it.

Leto · Post #432 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:43 pm

otwok wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... es-injury/

Do not know how true this is.

I thought it was obvious. The only question is will the league do anything about it/can they get evidence to show it. If so, that's a conspiracy that I think warrants the Cavs to be automatically eliminated from playing in the playoffs and the Celtics win the series by default.

Post #433 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:50 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:
maynardo wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/592724191314636801[/tweet]

Class

Jo's brain is classy but his knee is thanking the injury.

Have you ever met Jo's knee? I have. Total douchebag.

Post #434 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:55 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly, it's ridiculous that JR is even still in the league. He is a danger to everyone else on the floor and a time bomb. The Players Association would be wise to just get him out with a lifetime ban.. his record is more than enough. oh wait... too bad Lebron runs it.

Would never, ever happen. The PA will never take action of that nature because of their "blah blah blah slippery slope blah blah blah" mentality they apply to everything. All they do is imagine a future scenario on which an action could be manipulated to a screw players, and then oppose it.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #435 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:56 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Honestly, it's ridiculous that JR is even still in the league. He is a danger to everyone else on the floor and a time bomb. The Players Association would be wise to just get him out with a lifetime ban.. his record is more than enough. oh wait... too bad Lebron runs it.

He is one of the few sportspersons who has directly caused the death the another human being.

He served 30 days of jail time for it.

Everyone makes mistakes, just some do it in epic ways. There really isn't much follow up needed to your post but below I think shows he has a history of not learning or getting reformed, whether on the court or off.

Prior to that accident, Smith amassed 27 points against his license from April 22, 2005, to Jan. 10, 2006, with eight violations on seven dates. Five of the citations were for speeding. Following the accident, he received two more speeding tickets and three license suspensions in New Jersey. In 2012 he was cited in Florida for driving a scooter without a license, failed to appear and then was arrested after a bench warrant issued. This doesn't take into account any of the other crap going on in the background of his life, from his fight at a Denver night club to the brawl his sister caused at a game in China when he spent time there to his horrible judgment on social media and everything in between.

Post #436 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:57 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Did the injuries occur in the playoffs and what math determined that the injuries didn't cause losses? I know damn well the Kings lost games while Cousins was out. Is this saying they would have lost any way and thus the injuries didn't factor in?

Please don't tell me you are about to go spouting that Love being out doesn't matter(plus JR Smith), because that would be delusional.

I assume "games lost" means "games missed."

Post #437 » by **Payt10** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:14 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/592753367019089920[/tweet]

Kinda sounds like it might be worse than expected if he's seeking a second opinion, no?

FriedRise · Post #438 » by **FriedRise** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:17 pm

Payt10 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/592753367019089920[/tweet]

Kinda sounds like it might be worse than expected if he's seeking a second opinion, no?

Yeah sounds like it :noway:

WindyCityBorn · Post #439 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:21 pm

FriedRise wrote:
Payt10 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/592753367019089920[/tweet]

Kinda sounds like it might be worse than expected if he's seeking a second opinion, no?

Yeah sounds like it

He needs to be able to hug his daughter at her graduation.

Spoiler:

Droseisthe1 · Post #440 » by **Droseisthe1** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:22 pm

Payt10 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/592753367019089920[/tweet]

Kinda sounds like it might be worse than expected if he's seeking a second opinion, no?

More than that, in the tweet, the fact of the reminder he is a free agent going into the offseason, it wouldn't be smart on his part to play through any kind of injury that is normally not playable through. He's got to secure a contract before that.