Report: Kings willing to trade DeMarcus Cousins

[GimmeDat]

again, the sacramento freaking kings are more likely to score when it's NOT demarcus cousins taking the shot

I think that's pretty off the mark. Being able to create your shot and be a volume scorer is a skill in itself. Would Rondo/Collison/WCS etc. be getting as good a looks if DMC was not on the floor? And even if they could, they would all be taking a higher volume of shots to compensate for his absence, and with a higher volume comes a higher increased difficulty of shots, which would reduce their efficiency.

Cousins isn't a superstar, and I doubt he could be the clear cut #1 offensive option or leader on a winning team, but he's still a Top 5 offensive big man in the league. Only 2 seasons ago he scored 25ppg/per36 on 50% FG. It's worth remembering that this season he took 3 three's a game at 33%, which hurts his overall FG%.

The guy can score about 48% from the field (inside the arc) on one of the highest volumes of any big in the league, get to the FT line 10 times a night and hit them, and can stretch the floor if needed. Offensively, he is a beast.

For the record, I wouldn't trade Jimmy for Cousins. But I do think Jimmy/Cousins can be a 1/2 that can win a championship.

[bullsRlife]

again, the sacramento freaking kings are more likely to score when it's NOT demarcus cousins taking the shot

I think that's pretty off the mark. Being able to create your shot and be a volume scorer is a skill in itself. Would Rondo/Collison/WCS etc. be getting as good a looks if DMC was not on the floor? And even if they could, they would all be taking a higher volume of shots to compensate for his absence, and with a higher volume comes a higher increased difficulty of shots, which would reduce their efficiency.

Cousins isn't a superstar, and I doubt he could be the clear cut #1 offensive option or leader on a winning team, but he's still a Top 5 offensive big man in the league. Only 2 seasons ago he scored 25ppg/per36 on 50% FG. It's worth remembering that this season he took 3 three's a game at 33%, which hurts his overall FG%.

The guy can score about 48% from the field (inside the arc) on one of the highest volumes of any big in the league, get to the FT line 10 times a night and hit them, and can stretch the floor if needed. Offensively, he is a beast.

For the record, I wouldn't trade Jimmy for Cousins. But I do think Jimmy/Cousins can be a 1/2 that can win a championship.

Cousins is as much of a superstar, talent wise, as anyone else in the league. Obviously he's not AS good as the godly elite guys (which there's like 1-3 of them), but he's every bit the superstar that the rest of the elite are.

Also, I think he can definitely be a #1 option of a championship level team. He's an excellent passer, with the overall offensive game that's up there with a prime C-Webb. Prime C-Webb was a franchise level player, and clear cut #1 on a championship level team.

[realEAST]

again, the sacramento freaking kings are more likely to score when it's NOT demarcus cousins taking the shot

I think that's pretty off the mark. Being able to create your shot and be a volume scorer is a skill in itself. Would Rondo/Collison/WCS etc. be getting as good a looks if DMC was not on the floor? And even if they could, they would all be taking a higher volume of shots to compensate for his absence, and with a higher volume comes a higher increased difficulty of shots, which would reduce their efficiency.

Cousins isn't a superstar, and I doubt he could be the clear cut #1 offensive option or leader on a winning team, but he's still a Top 5 offensive big man in the league. Only 2 seasons ago he scored 25ppg/per36 on 50% FG. It's worth remembering that this season he took 3 three's a game at 33%, which hurts his overall FG%.

The guy can score about 48% from the field (inside the arc) on one of the highest volumes of any big in the league, get to the FT line 10 times a night and hit them, and can stretch the floor if needed. Offensively, he is a beast.

For the record, I wouldn't trade Jimmy for Cousins. But I do think Jimmy/Cousins can be a 1/2 that can win a championship.

Cousins is as much if a superstar, talent wise, as anyone else in the league. Obviously he's not AS good as the godly elite guys (which there's like 1-3 of them), but he's every bit the superstar that the rest of the elite are.

Also, I think he can definitely be a #1 option of a championship level team. He's an excellent passer, with the overall offensive game that's up there with a prime C-Webb. Prime C-Webb was a franchise level player, and clear cut #1 on a championship level team.

Cousins is dominant on off, has unique combination of physicality and skill (he put Gobert on skaters couple of times just in one game), and can be even more efficient if used better. If Bulls have any chance of getting him, they should do it, although I don't see it.
As for his character, he seems to connect with strong personalities, so he might find bond with Butler, and stay under control.

[pylb]

I think the Wolves should trade their pick for him.

[ADDinChicago]

Keep that freaking cancer out of the Bulls lockerroom. He and his attitude a huge reason his team sucks. It doesn't matter how my fantasy stats he gets you. And I'm not even A big Butler fan at this point. Cousins is a disaster waiting to happen. Besides, the Bulls aren't 1 all star away from contending. They need a lot more and zero chance the Kings wouldn't demand Butler or at the least another allstat caliber player in return.

They're "willing" to trade him like the Bulls are "willing" to trade Butler. They have to be getting a haul and not just moving out their best player.

i do agree with you but at the same time the guy has been incredible this season and is the best center in the league. Maybe for a good deal without Jimmy included it would help. If they do get him tho, Fred would be a bad idea to coach him, don't see anything positive coming out of that.

"Best center", or not (which is subjective as it is). A lot of that has to do with being on a horrendous team, which he's caused. If all things were available, I'd rather have Andre Drummond, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, etc. on the Bulls with Rose, Butler, and co.

The Bulls are not getting Cousins, if he actually were to become available, without giving up Jimmy Butler. This is not NBA 2K. No team is obtaining him without giving the Kings a player in that talent range and then some. There is no "well if the Bulls could include Rose..." scenario. And people need to wise up. Rose is going to be a Bull next season (and possibly after).

And Hoiberg "would be bad to coach him", why? Because he wouldn't wipe Cousins' butt for him? Maybe for once in his life it's Cousins who should be conforming for a head coach. He's helped run off how many guys in Sacto? The guy will never win in the NBA as the focus until he stops being 9-years-old.

[TheStig]

Keep that freaking cancer out of the Bulls lockerroom. He and his attitude a huge reason his team sucks. It doesn't matter how my fantasy stats he gets you. And I'm not even A big Butler fan at this point. Cousins is a disaster waiting to happen. Besides, the Bulls aren't 1 all star away from contending. They need a lot more and zero chance the Kings wouldn't demand Butler or at the least another allstat caliber player in return.

They're "willing" to trade him like the Bulls are "willing" to trade Butler. They have to be getting a haul and not just moving out their best player.

i do agree with you but at the same time the guy has been incredible this season and is the best center in the league. Maybe for a good deal without Jimmy included it would help. If they do get him tho, Fred would be a bad idea to coach him, don't see anything positive coming out of that.

"Best center", or not (which is subjective as it is). A lot of that has to do with being on a horrendous team, which he's caused. If all things were available, I'd rather have Andre Drummond, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, etc. on the Bulls with Rose, Butler, and co.

The Bulls are not getting Cousins, if he actually were to become available, without giving up Jimmy Butler. This is not NBA 2K. No team is obtaining him without giving the Kings a player in that talent range and then some. There is no "well if the Bulls could include Rose..." scenario. And people need to wise up. Rose is going to be a Bull next season (and possibly after).

And Hoiberg "would be bad to coach him", why? Because he wouldn't wipe Cousins' butt for him? Maybe for once in his life it's Cousins who should be conforming for a head coach. He's helped run off how many guys in Sacto? The guy will never win in the NBA as the focus until he stops being 9-years-old.

You'd rather have 2 defensive specialist with limited offensive games that can't even play to close games because they can't make a free throw or a 30 year old with a broken leg? I like Gasol's skill set but he's 30 and big men with foot problems are a bit scary.

Cousins can be the best center in the league in the right scenario. He can be pretty dominant.

[Kings2013]

I think the Wolves should trade their pick for him.

They should trade it for Butler

[Kings2013]

He doesn't miss too many shots. Where do you get this from?

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

He was played inappropriately by Karl. Needs to be kept in the paint, and will be next coach. Needs better shooting around him to keep the double/triple teams somewhat at bay

[RebuildaBulls]

Cousins is a good player if you play fantasy and don't care about winning. Try him back in a few years when he's more mature

[dice]

He doesn't miss too many shots. Where do you get this from?

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

Caught your edit. Bro, he takes more shots than anyone on the team, and he's still efficient. Again, you still can't answer my question. Hoe many players in the league can put up 27 pts. on 45% shooting?

quite a few. but it's a dumb and generic criteria because a player doesn't necessarily help his team much with 45% from the field. WHICH IS WHY FG% IS STUPID!

When players and coaches talk about him, they say how great he is, and how much of a load he si to gaurd

and yet he doesn't score efficiently. hmmm...

his team would have 20 wins without him? doubt that few, but they only won 33 with him! that's not elite differential, bud

again, kings more likely to score without demarcus shooting. that ain't greatness

[dice]

again, the sacramento freaking kings are more likely to score when it's NOT demarcus cousins taking the shot

I think that's pretty off the mark. Being able to create your shot and be a volume scorer is a skill in itself. Would Rondo/Collison/WCS etc. be getting as good a looks if DMC was not on the floor? And even if they could, they would all be taking a higher volume of shots to compensate for his absence, and with a higher volume comes a higher increased difficulty of shots, which would reduce their efficiency.

who knows. but there's no evidence he's creating better attempts for others. he's a black hole and not efficient enough to justify it

[dice]

He doesn't miss too many shots. Where do you get this from?

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

He was played inappropriately by Karl. Needs to be kept in the paint, and will be next coach. Needs better shooting around him to keep the double/triple teams somewhat at bay

he wasn't more successful prior to karl though

[Kings2013]

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

He was played inappropriately by Karl. Needs to be kept in the paint, and will be next coach. Needs better shooting around him to keep the double/triple teams somewhat at bay

he wasn't more successful prior to karl though

He's been successful whenever he's been kept in the paint, which unfortunately was really with Malone. Corbin, specially Karl, too many shots from range. He can't be guarded one on one on the block. Needs to be kept there while we get better shooting at the different positions

[sco]

Cousins is better than Butler, but he is more of a coach killer. Teams like SA, MIA, Min, Det, Dal, Ind, Cle could probably deal with him in a constructive way. Not that I'd see him a good fit with Stevens, Boston should be looking for him over Jimmy.

[pylb]

I think Fred could deal with him, he managed to deal with Royce White. Cousins mostly has a problem with guys who aren't straight shooters.

So he wouldn't get along with the FO.

[BullRosed]

Demarcus is a huge knucklehead anyone can not doubt that.

however that knucklehead is one of the greatest talents in the league, and i feel in the right organization and on the right team he will SEMI adjust his attitude. If he is put in a winning situation.

i say we go all in for Demarcus, i do not feel Jimmy Butler is a superstar, and feel has has reached his full potential (THAT IS MY OPINOIN)

i know there are people that are going to off on me and say Jimmy is the future blah blah blah, but let me finish.

the Bulls very well could of had a title right now if it wasnt for injuries, i mean heck we could of went to the Finals against the warriors a year ago if we was fully healthy.

Jimmy Butler is injury prone, and is not a 1st scoring option on a championship caliber team, he is putting up fantastic numbers on a bad team....

how many players have the Bulls had? that were "stars" or "superstars" and then turned into nothing? we never cash in our chips when we are up, and we always lose.

Joakim Noah - MVP candidate, Definsive Player of the year, one of the best centers in the NBA- his value right now is almost nothing.

Luol Deng - multiple trade rumors over the years, from (Prime) Pau Gasol to (Prime) Kobe Bryant, we didnt get the deal done for the "future" the "future" got us later trading a x2 all star for a 2nd round pick and andrew bynum.

Ben Gordon - all star potential, made a huge name for his self in the playoff series against the celtics (i still think its one of the greatest series of all time reguardless of it being in the 1st round) we let this guy walk for nothing........


Jimmy Butler - ? cash in our chips, our biggest thing is injurys and he always has nagging injuries every season. i would trade him for cousins faster then you drop a hot potato,

Jimmy Butler can very well just crash in the next few years, like the majority of all our players has done.

forget the "future" Get one of the best talents in the NBA and figure it out, thats what the celtics did, when they got Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett, they got rid of a young promising AL Jefferson that was putting up averages of 20 and 10, they went for the proven superstar, and got a title out of it. they also traded West, Wally Z, and the 5th pick (jeff green) for Ray Allen, the bulls would of never traded away all that young talent for "now"

I wish the bulls were half as aggressive as that, they are one of the more conservative teams, and lets face it any real Bulls fan knows we have a bad reputation throughout the NBA as being Cheap, and control freaks, when it comes to the Nba and players.

we are a huge market, and one of the greatest franchises, and the best free agent we can land is, ben wallace, and carlos boozer.

we always get the "stars" after there prime it is getting annoying

Richard Hamilton
Carlos Boozer
Ben Wallace
Larry Hughes
Brad Milelr

why cant we have a superstar in there Prime, i dont feel Jimmy B, is a player you can build your team around, hes a scrappy offensive player, meaning he gets it done and finds a way to score. he is not a player you can give him the ball and let plays happend. like (wade,curry,lebron,durant,westbrook)

we all know in the last 5 mins in the NBA playoffs, how critical scoring is, and that has been the Bulls problem this past 5 years in the playoffs, we go on constant scoring droughts, and no matter how big of a lead we have, i would never feel safe knowing that we go dry when it comes to scoring.

i used to hate seeing Rose,Bogans,Deng,Taj,Jo on the floor jesus that was such a horrible floor spacing team, they used to pass the ball to eachother off screens and off ball screens untill the shot clock came down, and Rose, OR Long 2 Lu would shoot a 29 foot contested shot, it was dreadful.

bottom line is, get cousins as at all costs, cash in the chips with Jimmy i am one of the biggest Bulls fans you will meet, and actually got jumped and hospitalized for being a being a Bulls fan, i promise you Jimmy is not a superstar. (i hope im wrong)

get the superstar and figure it out later, you know? kind of like the rest of the league has done (heat,celtics) if you get the star, others will follow, plain and simple.

[bullsRlife]

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

Caught your edit. Bro, he takes more shots than anyone on the team, and he's still efficient. Again, you still can't answer my question. Hoe many players in the league can put up 27 pts. on 45% shooting?

quite a few. but it's a dumb and generic criteria because a player doesn't necessarily help his team much with 45% from the field. WHICH IS WHY FG% IS STUPID!

When players and coaches talk about him, they say how great he is, and how much of a load he si to gaurd

and yet he doesn't score efficiently. hmmm...

his team would have 20 wins without him? doubt that few, but they only won 33 with him! that's not elite differential, bud

again, kings more likely to score without demarcus shooting. that ain't greatness

You know, you're impossible to discuss players with, because you say the most outlandish things. you still can't honestly answer my question. You just said quite a few can, yet, quite a few can't.

27 pts. on 45% shooting is great, however you cut it. That's being efficient. There's a rare few that can put those kinds of numbers up, and you know it.

All you do is say false things, and act like you're right. You can't just say something, and act like it's true. That's not how you debate a topic with someone. It makes you look bad, and incredibly stubborn.

[bullsRlife]

an offensive "beast" is significantly more efficient than cousins. that's just reality. each time he touches the ball, cousins is NO MORE LIKELY to score than the average nba player (or an average possession for a team, if you want to look at it that way). that's not getting a team very far

cousins had a ts% of 53.8. know what the REST of the team was? 54.8! that means that the kings were more likely to score on a given possession if cousins didn't have the ball. we're talking about an average offensive team here and he still wasn't benefiting them much

cousins is really good. but he's not leading any team to a championship. not without some unusual improvement right in the middle of his prime

He was played inappropriately by Karl. Needs to be kept in the paint, and will be next coach. Needs better shooting around him to keep the double/triple teams somewhat at bay

he wasn't more successful prior to karl though

The Kings were more successful with Malone, and he had a great relationship with him. He still put up great numbers with a coach he didn't like, and a stubborn and not well liked coach among top players that he's coached.

[bullsRlife]

There is just no way I'd give them Butler for Cousins. I like Cousins and I think he'd probably be extremely good in a good situation, but I don't see this happening on the current Chicago Bulls team.

So unless we can get him without trading Butler, which should be highly unlikely, I'll pass.

Let's be real, if it weren't for his attitude problems, every Bulls fan would trade Jimmy for Cousins in a heartbeat.

Jimmy's a nice complimentary player to have, but he's not a #1 option, and his skill set is more of a 2nd option than a 1st. It's easier to build around Cousins than it is a Jimmy Butler. Jimmy's just on a better team.

[bullsRlife]

Keep that freaking cancer out of the Bulls lockerroom. He and his attitude a huge reason his team sucks. It doesn't matter how my fantasy stats he gets you. And I'm not even A big Butler fan at this point. Cousins is a disaster waiting to happen. Besides, the Bulls aren't 1 all star away from contending. They need a lot more and zero chance the Kings wouldn't demand Butler or at the least another allstat caliber player in return.

They're "willing" to trade him like the Bulls are "willing" to trade Butler. They have to be getting a haul and not just moving out their best player.

i do agree with you but at the same time the guy has been incredible this season and is the best center in the league. Maybe for a good deal without Jimmy included it would help. If they do get him tho, Fred would be a bad idea to coach him, don't see anything positive coming out of that.

"Best center", or not (which is subjective as it is). A lot of that has to do with being on a horrendous team, which he's caused. If all things were available, I'd rather have Andre Drummond, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, etc. on the Bulls with Rose, Butler, and co.

The Bulls are not getting Cousins, if he actually were to become available, without giving up Jimmy Butler. This is not NBA 2K. No team is obtaining him without giving the Kings a player in that talent range and then some. There is no "well if the Bulls could include Rose..." scenario. And people need to wise up. Rose is going to be a Bull next season (and possibly after).

And Hoiberg "would be bad to coach him", why? Because he wouldn't wipe Cousins' butt for him? Maybe for once in his life it's Cousins who should be conforming for a head coach. He's helped run off how many guys in Sacto? The guy will never win in the NBA as the focus until he stops being 9-years-old.

He had a great relationship with Malone, before the Kings inexplicably got rid of him. One of the most head scratching moves in the NBA.