Our Point Guard Situation

[Rerisen]

If Bulls target more smalls in FA, and realizing we have 2 rotation bigs leaving and only 1 coming in, must mean they have a lot of faith in Felicio and Portis.

[snowyseven]

Goal should be to tank. Do not sign any high priced FA to try to compete for playoffs.

Grant should be the starter with Valentine playing first Guard off the bench spelling Grant and Butler, Dinwiddie can be the 3rd point.

Every free agent we sign should be the "portland menthod" young guys on cheap short contracts, just keep trying out D-league guys see if you find a useful player.


Oh and dump Gibson/Calderon/Mdj for draft picks next year

[Mister247]

DENZEL VALENTINE can be our PG.

Also, everyone is talking about his knees, the man only missed 4 GAME in 4 YEARS.

Less than Kyrie Irving. who only played about 11 games before he was drafted.
The ONLY reason Denzel wasn't taken higher is his age.
I can over look that.

Its already being talked about.

Don't be surprised if Denzel becomes our starting PG!

[Ice the knees]

Nice a 6'6 slow PG that needs a PG to get his own looks. Sounds great

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[Apackfan]

Nice a 6'6 slow PG that needs a PG to get his own looks. Sounds great

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Didn't the bulls used to have another 6'6 PG? I remember that. He was pretty good. Baldie lol

Maybe Valentine or Dinwiddie can be the modern version of him.

There is always Hope.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Nice a 6'6 slow PG that needs a PG to get his own looks. Sounds great

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I don't necessarily agree but I did LOL.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Bulls will likely decide what is cheaper. Moore or Lin. But I think they will try go for Conley first. And by that time Lin could be gone.

If that's truly the decision, it's already been made. Moore will definitely be cheaper.

[Chi town]

If Bulls target more smalls in FA, and realizing we have 2 rotation bigs leaving and only 1 coming in, must mean they have a lot of faith in Felicio and Portis.

Yep. Said the same thing yesterday.

[Chi town]

DENZEL VALENTINE can be our PG.

Also, everyone is talking about his knees, the man only missed 4 GAME in 4 YEARS.

Less than Kyrie Irving. who only played about 11 games before he was drafted.
The ONLY reason Denzel wasn't taken higher is his age.
I can over look that.

Its already being talked about.

Don't be surprised if Denzel becomes our starting PG!

Who is talking about it??? Link?

[Evil_Headband]

My guess is Calderon is going to get many more minutes than a lot of you think.

[6_Rings]

Please no Rubio. He might play defense but can't shoot. No wonder Thibs is trying to get rid of him even with an unknown quantity who can't shoot(Dunn). I know the Bulls need to add talent but not scraps/junk from bad teams.

If you are going to build around Jimmy or anyone for that matter, Rubio is a bad fit. He is a backup PG at best. You have one in Grant who can develop into a better Rubio.

this. he's Dunn in Minny.

[waffle]

I have some hope about Grant. The Knicks, as per usual, were a cluster you know what. Really liked him coming out of college.

And yes, Valentine can play the PG on offense on occasion

[ADDinChicago]

Well, they now got Valentine who can play off the ball or run the point. They can still sign someone like Bazemore or even Barnes. Jimmy probably won't be a full time PG anyway. He may just have some possessions like last season.

Either way, like I said, it's half-assed as usual. And Bazemore or Barnes. Uggggg. More of the same from Pax. That's what they'll overpay for and then act like they're super excited like they actually did anything of merit. Just like when they got junk for Derrick Rose and act like they won some kind of sweepstakes. Pathetic.

And before you ask, no, I did not like the Valentine pick (but I did figure it would be him or Baldwin knowing what this FO likes). Another player probably better to play the 3, but is undersized and they're still convinced McDermott is some answer at 3. And again, more of the same. Had they pulled the trigger and traded Jimmy Butler away, it would have made more sense. This next season(s) is going to suck. Pathetic.

I doubt they will overpay for either player if they are interested in them. If they want too much money, I can see them going after cheaper alternatives like Crabbe, one of the Greens, or even Moore. I disagree that Lopez and Grant are junk. I mean you got a decent big who can do a little bit of everything on both sides of the ball. Grant may still be unproven, but he at least finished strong at the end of last season, and can be insurance if Valentine does not pan out. And Grant has nice size for his position. And it won't hurt giving McD some room for improvement. He at least improved compared to his first season. It's probable he can do the same for his 3rd season.

If Valentine was too skinny, I would agree he should not play the 3. 6'5" is still a reasonable height for the 3. Why trade away Jimmy if he can be a player to attract a FA for both this upcoming season and especially next summer when there will be better options like Griffin, CJ McCollum, Hayward, etc.?

What free agents is Jimmy Butler and his diva act attracting? It's the harsh reality of how he's perceived combined with an inept front office that the rest of the league and every agent is well aware of.

And you overpay almost always to get someone to leave their team, and the Bulls are the kings of doing just that when it comes to someone they sell low on and expect their ceiling to be huge, just like with Jerian Grant now. And the payoff is almost always NEVER there. Snell was going to be something, Mirotic was going to be something, McDermott was going to be something, and so on and so on. The only big swing they've taken and nailed lately has been Jimmy Butler. Pretty much every free agent they've gone out and added has at the very least been an overpay they've tried to sell as some magic bullet and a missing piece. Pau Gasol was the only one remotely worth getting and they vastly overpaid for him after yet again whiffing on the bigger fish. I'd expect more this summer, especially when everyone has cap room to burn.

So yes, Grant and especially Lopez are junk. Just more guys the Bulls acquire and are going to put makeup on and try to sell as great gets when in reality it's more of the same and they lost yet another trade. If this is their "plan" they should have just let Rose walk after 2016-17. They're very good at getting nothing for players.

As for Valentine, yes, 6-5 is too small to play quality wing against the teams that matter. And if the Bulls are starting a rookie, god help us all. You trade away Jimmy Butler because this team is DOA and he's the one that could net the most to help kickstart a rebuild. And no, Pax handling said rebuild is bad, but that's another issue.

[R3AL1TY]

Either way, like I said, it's half-assed as usual. And Bazemore or Barnes. Uggggg. More of the same from Pax. That's what they'll overpay for and then act like they're super excited like they actually did anything of merit. Just like when they got junk for Derrick Rose and act like they won some kind of sweepstakes. Pathetic.

And before you ask, no, I did not like the Valentine pick (but I did figure it would be him or Baldwin knowing what this FO likes). Another player probably better to play the 3, but is undersized and they're still convinced McDermott is some answer at 3. And again, more of the same. Had they pulled the trigger and traded Jimmy Butler away, it would have made more sense. This next season(s) is going to suck. Pathetic.

I doubt they will overpay for either player if they are interested in them. If they want too much money, I can see them going after cheaper alternatives like Crabbe, one of the Greens, or even Moore. I disagree that Lopez and Grant are junk. I mean you got a decent big who can do a little bit of everything on both sides of the ball. Grant may still be unproven, but he at least finished strong at the end of last season, and can be insurance if Valentine does not pan out. And Grant has nice size for his position. And it won't hurt giving McD some room for improvement. He at least improved compared to his first season. It's probable he can do the same for his 3rd season.

If Valentine was too skinny, I would agree he should not play the 3. 6'5" is still a reasonable height for the 3. Why trade away Jimmy if he can be a player to attract a FA for both this upcoming season and especially next summer when there will be better options like Griffin, CJ McCollum, Hayward, etc.?

What free agents is Jimmy Butler and his diva act attracting? It's the harsh reality of how he's perceived combined with an inept front office that the rest of the league and every agent is well aware of.

And you overpay almost always to get someone to leave their team, and the Bulls are the kings of doing just that when it comes to someone they sell low on and expect their ceiling to be huge, just like with Jerian Grant now. And the payoff is almost always NEVER there. Snell was going to be something, Mirotic was going to be something, McDermott was going to be something, and so on and so on. The only big swing they've taken and nailed lately has been Jimmy Butler. Pretty much every free agent they've gone out and added has at the very least been an overpay they've tried to sell as some magic bullet and a missing piece. Pau Gasol was the only one remotely worth getting and they vastly overpaid for him after yet again whiffing on the bigger fish. I'd expect more this summer, especially when everyone has cap room to burn.

So yes, Grant and especially Lopez are junk. Just more guys the Bulls acquire and are going to put makeup on and try to sell as great gets when in reality it's more of the same and they lost yet another trade. If this is their "plan" they should have just let Rose walk after 2016-17. They're very good at getting nothing for players.

As for Valentine, yes, 6-5 is too small to play quality wing against the teams that matter. And if the Bulls are starting a rookie, god help us all. You trade away Jimmy Butler because this team is DOA and he's the one that could net the most to help kickstart a rebuild. And no, Pax handling said rebuild is bad, but that's another issue.

I doubt FAs out there are going to view Butler as a problematic diva unless he begins having a habit of wining real loud to be entitled to everything to the point it becomes an ongoing story in the media. If anything, they gonna view him as a grinder or hard worker since he came from being just a defensive specialist to an all-star.

The FO may have had some duds, but you can't just zero in on that alone as if there are no bright spots. At times, when the team was moving the ball well, good things were happening. We at least know that they drafted a player who is good at both distributing and shooting that can help improve the flow of offense. Mirotic and McD at least have shown to be contributors when needed.They aren't very consistent yet, but they can get there. You at least need room for some internal improvements or else you will be on a non-ending journey of wanting every single player being very impactful at the same time, which will never happen.

As for money, the FO has been more frugal than big spenders to the point they get players at a discount. Pau Gasol for 7M isn't an overpay. MDJ in the $4M per year range isn't an overpay. As a matter of fact, guys on their level will get paid way more money shortly on other teams.

I think you're being too pessimistic where nothing will be convincing to you unless some of these players do earth shattering things or the Bulls happen to have a better record than last year. Thus, there is no need to argue over whether or not players like Grant or Lopez are junk with you. Valentine being 6'5" with a 6'10" wingspan is not "too small" for playing the wing spot. C'mon. Whether this team rebuilds now or later will depend on the FO getting a good deal for Butler, so even a rebuild is not a guarantee right now. But if they can't get a good deal for him, they might as well slowly build around him and swing for the fences in 2017 for a max player that is worth it to compete even more.

[GimmeDat]

KC Johnson apparently tweeted that Calderon is penciled in as the starting PG. Eh.

[ADDinChicago]

KC Johnson apparently tweeted that Calderon is penciled in as the starting PG. Eh.

This just keeps getting better! Maybe Pax has been told he's gone after next season and he's just going to leave and even bigger mess...

[Mk0]

The Valentine pick convinced me we'll resign Moore and there'll be a camp battle between he and Grant for the starting PG spot -- the winner will be whoever guards the position better (so likely Moore). Which means we're blowing off next season. Which means we should really get an asset for Taj while we can. I'd take a high 2nd rounder.

Belinelli was worth the 22nd pick. Taj is worth more.

[Benedict Miller]

We have no PG. bulls will try to play Butler at PG a d will fail! This has to go down as one of the worse trades ever. Pacers also got a steal in Teague, Bulls think Grant is going to be a star. Time to retool Gar! Pax was NOT happy with the Rose trade!

How do you know that Pax wasn't happy with the Rose trade? Isn't he the one who signs off on what decision Forman makes?

[Rerisen]

KC Johnson apparently tweeted that Calderon is penciled in as the starting PG. Eh.

Sometimes I think KC revels in needling the fan base.

[Mister247]

DENZEL VALENTINE can be our PG.

Also, everyone is talking about his knees, the man only missed 4 GAME in 4 YEARS.

Less than Kyrie Irving. who only played about 11 games before he was drafted.
The ONLY reason Denzel wasn't taken higher is his age.
I can over look that.

Its already being talked about.

Don't be surprised if Denzel becomes our starting PG!

Who is talking about it??? Link?

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bulls

Chad Ford.

You gotta scroll to the middle of the page in his bulletins.

But months before when I saw him I thought he'd make a great Draymond green type player with better handles and shooting.