Coby White has leveled up

[Stratmaster]

I deleted several posts that weren't productive. Please keep it about the topic at hand and not the posters.

Thank you. I came back this morning to do that myself.

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[Stratmaster]

Strat, I edited it myself because you had not responded to it yet, assumed you had not seen it, and I realized I was in the wrong with how far I took it. Evidently our posts crossed. For what it’s worth.

All good. Overreaction day for both of us.

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[FriedRise]

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[jordanwilliams6]

I know you never want an injury but given it seems to be very minor, I wonder if this might be a positive freshen up for Coby ahead of the toughest stretch of the season. He’s been playing huge minutes all year and a few games off his legs might do him wonders.

[MrSparkle]

I’d rest Coby a little more to be extra careful with this injury. We’re safely locked into the play-in.

I don’t see the point of chasing 7-8. Indy and Miami are definitively better teams, and if we happen to have a spectacular week, we’ll knock them out (in clutch) and get swept by Boston or Milwaukee regardless whether we’re 7-10. If not, some HCA or an extra game against Atlanta doesn’t seem to matter. Hell, I’d rather have the excitement of playing the Hawks and a follow-up game, like last year.

[gardenofsound]

I’d rest Coby a little more to be extra careful with this injury. We’re safely locked into the play-in.

I don’t see the point of chasing 7-8. Indy and Miami are definitively better teams, and if we happen to have a spectacular week, we’ll knock them out (in clutch) and get swept by Boston or Milwaukee regardless whether we’re 7-10. If not, some HCA or an extra game against Atlanta doesn’t seem to matter. Hell, I’d rather have the excitement of playing the Hawks and a follow-up game, like last year.

I'd rather have an opportunity to play Milwaukee over Boston. It's probably a 4-0 or 4-1 sweep regardless, but MKE means more opportunity to feasibly see Bulls playoff basketball in person.

[FriedRise]

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[kodo]

Post All-Star stats:
18.3 ppg 4.6 rpg 5.3 apg
38% / 32% / 88%
+/- -4.6
True Shooting: 50.8%

That TS% is brutal...50.7% = Dalen Terry.

[sco]

Post All-Star stats:
18.3 ppg 4.6 rpg 5.3 apg
38% / 32% / 88%
+/- -4.6
True Shooting: 50.8%

That TS% is brutal...50.7% = Dalen Terry.

His 3pt shot has gone in the toilet. Not sure if it is a confidence thing or some injury that he's playing through. I know his wrist has been bothering him for a while. Won't be surprised if he has offseason surgery for a ligament or something.

[PaKii94]

Post All-Star stats:
18.3 ppg 4.6 rpg 5.3 apg
38% / 32% / 88%
+/- -4.6
True Shooting: 50.8%

That TS% is brutal...50.7% = Dalen Terry.

His 3pt shot has gone in the toilet. Not sure if it is a confidence thing or some injury that he's playing through. I know his wrist has been bothering him for a while. Won't be surprised if he has offseason surgery for a ligament or something.

Ouch. How many games is that? Coby has always been hot or cold. I was hoping his cold stretches were reduced.

[MrSparkle]

Interesting comparing these two (Maxey and Coby): https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=maxeyty01&year_min=2024&player_id1=whiteco01&seasons_type=forall&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=whiteco01

As far as I can tell, the biggest difference is Maxey's higher usage and lower turnover rate. Otherwise it's almost a wash in all the per-36/per-100 metrics, until you get to the PER/box-score stuff. In regards to that, Maxey did spend half the season playing with a red hot Embiid, one of the best Cs of all-time, and a team with much more size and 3P options.

Anyway, Coby's definitely slumped the last month. This year was a big step; FWIW his current adv. stats are more on par with 2nd year Maxey. Coby's development was pretty slow. The next steps will be: higher usage, reducing turnovers and maintaining scoring threat (maybe adding 1 3P and 1 FT made to his per games). These small margin bumps make big differences.

The other big observation... How much did Maxey's numbers jump by just having Harden out the picture? Quite a bit. I've enjoyed the better moments of the Demar/Coby chemistry, but ultimately, giving the keys to Coby is going to help (if not, then we're wasting time with Coby), if a 3D wing is the replacement. Not suggesting this means we win more; we'd most likely lose more. But as far as individual player development goes, more usage for Coby (and Ayo/Pat) would be better moving forward.

[Ice Man]

Coby has improved this year, but (at least at this stage, possibly a very hot finish could change that), this season was just another step in his gradual progression rather than a breakout year.

VORP, by year

-0.4
-0.2
0.0
0.5
1.0

The increase this season is due solely to usage. Coby was the same player as in the previous season, but he took more shots and made more passes (thus both more assists and more turnovers). Pretty recognizably the same guy.

[Stratmaster]

Coby has improved this year, but (at least at this stage, possibly a very hot finish could change that), this season was just another step in his gradual progression rather than a breakout year.

VORP, by year

-0.4
-0.2
0.0
0.5
1.0

The increase this season is due solely to usage. Coby was the same player as in the previous season, but he took more shots and made more passes (thus both more assists and more turnovers). Pretty recognizably the same guy.

Exactly. If you look at his 2nd season, when he was starting, he is just slightly better this season, as you would expect with more experience under his belt.

Coby is a valuable piece as a scorer off the bench 6th man. The rumors of his ascension to star status were/are greatly exaggerated.

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[Jcool0]

unless like some had said he is still dealing with injuries it seems Cobys year is mimicking the Bulls. Bulls look like a top 6 team in the East and you think they might of found something, they then end up having some bad losses and are right back to being a nowhere team. Coby has looked great and just when you think he has turned the corner he starts reverting back to old Coby and you are left wondering which guy is the real Coby going forward.

[Rose2Boozer]

Coby White needs the off season. He's shown enough and Donovan has run him into the ground enough. Going forward, White and Ayo are the only young guys I feel good about. The rest are question marks.

[MalagaBulls]

Nonetheless, the Bulls feel the need to highlight the entire body of work for this season in pushing Coby for MIP. They are not focusing on his recent struggles.

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[MrSparkle]

Tempering expectations is a good thing.

Coby’s ability to draw fouls and finish in the paint definitively improved though.

Also you have to consider that he went from every team’s off-radar microwave option to essentially being the Bulls’ primary ballhandler, with defenses loading up his side and scouting his offensive repertoire.

Bit absurd to suggest this is 2nd year coby with more usage. He’s noticeably better. Is he good enough to make an all star game or lead this team out of the gutter? TBD - 50/50 imo. 2 more summers of improvement and you do have a max player, though (for better and worse).

One thing I realized while looking up data at the peak of his woes… his college stats were also very streaky. He’d go 7-10 from the arc one game, and then 0-5 the next. His 35% college 3ball wasn’t great.

[MrSparkle]

Nonetheless, the Bulls feel the need to highlight the entire body of work for this season in pushing Coby for MIP. They are not focusing on his recent struggles.

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Pretty much 2x’d his stats. Coming from a bad place, but compared to the other candidates, Coby’s jump is a little bigger.

I bet Kuminga gets the nod, because he’s been playing much better down the stretch. Coby’s falling into a parabola.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I've never been in the "Coby is the future" camp but he did improve a lot this year, and I believe the heavy minutes have caught up to him. He's never been in this role, or been so depended on over a stretch of a NBA season. We'll see what he does next year after a summer of work adjusting. But there is still games left, maybe he picks it up?

[sco]

Can someone please change the thread title to put an "...oh wait, never mind." at the end?