Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #2

[Indomitable]

Why does KC Johnson keep saying Caruso has to play 2 of the next 4 games and 20 mins to reach the 65 games goal.

Caruso has played in 68 games.

You have to play at least 20 minutes in the 65. You can have a couple of 15 minutes games but you need to play 20 minutes a game.

[kodo]

Then from what I'm seeing, he needs to play 20m in all 4 remaining games. There's only 61 games with him playing 20:00 or more.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Why does KC Johnson keep saying Caruso has to play 2 of the next 4 games and 20 mins to reach the 65 games goal.

Caruso has played in 68 games.

You have to play at least 20 minutes in the 65. You can have a couple of 15 minutes games but you need to play 20 minutes a game.

Ok I see.

I also think this will seriously backfire for the league. We are going to see people make teams that probably under normal circumstances should/would not make it. I think they will make exceptions if you are close enough.

[Ice Man]

Have we really reached the point where playing 65 games per year is considered a major hurdle?

Jordan - Never started fewer than 78 games as a Bull, except when he broke his foot and in the '94 comeback season
Pippen - Never started fewer than 72 games as a Bull, except in his final back-surgery season
Grant - Never started fewer than 70 games as a Bull
BJ - Never played fewer than 81 games (!) as a Bull
Paxson - Never played fewer than 75 games as a Bull, until his final two seasons when he was old & beat up

But of course, the game was less physical back in those days.

[drosestruts]

not sure if the last part is sarcasm but i do think overall the game was less physical. Yes you can watch highlights reels of hard fouls that were certainly harder but those weren't an every night thing like old heads would have you believe.

Players move much more today, faster, at sharper angles, and make more explosive movement on a routine basis that does put wear and tear on the body.

On the other hand - sports science and preparation for the body to undergo this is also better than ever.

I think the 65 game rule is fine. No complaints.

[jnrjr79]

Then from what I'm seeing, he needs to play 20m in all 4 remaining games. There's only 61 games with him playing 20:00 or more.

Two "near misses," where the player plays between 15 and 19 minutes, are allowed to count toward the 65.

[step]

Jrue Holiday agrees to 4-year, $135M extension with Celtics

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/39916819/jrue-holiday-boston-celtics-agree-4-year-135-million-contract-extension

That sets quite a benchmark for Demar...

[samwana]

Jrue Holiday agrees to 4-year, $135M extension with Celtics

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/39916819/jrue-holiday-boston-celtics-agree-4-year-135-million-contract-extension

That sets quite a benchmark for Demar...

Jrue led his team to the top, huge difference.

[step]

Jrue Holiday agrees to 4-year, $135M extension with Celtics

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/39916819/jrue-holiday-boston-celtics-agree-4-year-135-million-contract-extension

That sets quite a benchmark for Demar...

Jrue led his team to the top, huge difference.

Led... past tense.

One thing for the Bucks to pay him for past dues... but this is the Celtics and they're well above the apron. I get there's other contextual factors at play, but he's also 33 years old and only averaging 12.5PPG 5.4 REB and 4.9 APG.

Basically, if I am Demar's agent, I'm definitely highlighting the massive differences in output in comparison and going with 'show me the money'. Demar is only one year older however, is still producing 24PPG 4.3 REB and 5.3 APG.

The Bulls are also somewhat painted in a corner too ... many wished we can extend him for less than what he's on now. I think that's gone out of the window. Might be lucky with 3 years ~100M.

[Ice Man]

I gotta go with step here. For one, thing Jrue didn't lead any NBA team to the top. That man's name was Giannis. Second, while I love Jrue's game, he's losing athleticism. His steals per 36 have been 1.8, 1.8, 1.3, 1.0 over the past 4 years. Until the last 2 years, that number had never been below 1.5, in 13 NBA seasons. The classic sign of a veteran player starting his downhill slide.

By Year 3 of his contract, he will be a $30 million backup.

[MisterRoy]

Isn’t there a new media deal that’s going to blow up the salary cap again?


Sent from somewhere you’ve never been.

[MrSparkle]

Tatum will surely get the supermax. So Jaylen and he will cost over $100M+ to the cap; which is OK. They are on track to potentially being the most winning players of all time (it would greatly help their young playoff record if they sealed a chip).

But then you’ll have Jrue, Porzingis and White adding up to roughly $90M, with the latter two seeking extensions.

So it’s on track to being a record breaking $220M payroll in 2 years or so. Good problem to have if they keep winning.

But I agree — the big implication is this: teams used to hesitate paying players at 35, but they’re getting big 4y deals without much pushback. There’s no chance in hell that the Bulls resign Demar to some team friendly Vuc deal. His performance has been too consistent.

[League Circles]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/39916819/jrue-holiday-boston-celtics-agree-4-year-135-million-contract-extension

That sets quite a benchmark for Demar...

Jrue led his team to the top, huge difference.

Led... past tense.

One thing for the Bucks to pay him for past dues... but this is the Celtics and they're well above the apron. I get there's other contextual factors at play, but he's also 33 years old and only averaging 12.5PPG 5.4 REB and 4.9 APG.

Basically, if I am Demar's agent, I'm definitely highlighting the massive differences in output in comparison and going with 'show me the money'. Demar is only one year older however, is still producing 24PPG 4.3 REB and 5.3 APG.

The Bulls are also somewhat painted in a corner too ... many wished we can extend him for less than what he's on now. I think that's gone out of the window. Might be lucky with 3 years ~100M.

No doubt Demar's agent will make those arguments. But it still takes an actual offer from another team for it to matter. I don't have a good enough understanding of current roster and payroll dynamics around the league to know how likely it is, but we were the high bidder 3 years ago, and now he's 3 years older and while he's played well for us, he hasn't led us to any success to speak of. I could honestly see his value on the market anywhere from the MLE to about 40 million. Very hard to guess.

I mean, what team out there is really going to write an enormous check for an old, really good scorer who doesn't do much else and who hasn't done too much winning?

[Jcool0]

Go get him Je... oh who am I kidding....

Read on Twitter

[Axl Rose]

Jerry's cheapness may actually benefit us in this case because 4/135m for DeRozan would be instantly regrettable. That's no offense to DeRozan who has been great but this team has to move on already.

I also think this will seriously backfire for the league. We are going to see people make teams that probably under normal circumstances should/would not make it. I think they will make exceptions if you are close enough.

It already has. It punishes players who actually have reasons to sit and could unfairly cost them a ton of money while inflating contracts elsewhere. I'm thinking it will be totally reworked or scrapped all together by next year.

[Dan Z]

Jrue led his team to the top, huge difference.

Led... past tense.

One thing for the Bucks to pay him for past dues... but this is the Celtics and they're well above the apron. I get there's other contextual factors at play, but he's also 33 years old and only averaging 12.5PPG 5.4 REB and 4.9 APG.

Basically, if I am Demar's agent, I'm definitely highlighting the massive differences in output in comparison and going with 'show me the money'. Demar is only one year older however, is still producing 24PPG 4.3 REB and 5.3 APG.

The Bulls are also somewhat painted in a corner too ... many wished we can extend him for less than what he's on now. I think that's gone out of the window. Might be lucky with 3 years ~100M.

No doubt Demar's agent will make those arguments. But it still takes an actual offer from another team for it to matter. I don't have a good enough understanding of current roster and payroll dynamics around the league to know how likely it is, but we were the high bidder 3 years ago, and now he's 3 years older and while he's played well for us, he hasn't led us to any success to speak of. I could honestly see his value on the market anywhere from the MLE to about 40 million. Very hard to guess.

I mean, what team out there is really going to write an enormous check for an old, really good scorer who doesn't do much else and who hasn't done too much winning?

Market value and what they end up giving him are often two different things in the NBA. Was anyone going to outbid the Celtics on a new contract for Jrue? Probably not. They didn't even let him hit the market.

As for DDR if he wants too much they should just let him go.

[League Circles]

Led... past tense.

One thing for the Bucks to pay him for past dues... but this is the Celtics and they're well above the apron. I get there's other contextual factors at play, but he's also 33 years old and only averaging 12.5PPG 5.4 REB and 4.9 APG.

Basically, if I am Demar's agent, I'm definitely highlighting the massive differences in output in comparison and going with 'show me the money'. Demar is only one year older however, is still producing 24PPG 4.3 REB and 5.3 APG.

The Bulls are also somewhat painted in a corner too ... many wished we can extend him for less than what he's on now. I think that's gone out of the window. Might be lucky with 3 years ~100M.

No doubt Demar's agent will make those arguments. But it still takes an actual offer from another team for it to matter. I don't have a good enough understanding of current roster and payroll dynamics around the league to know how likely it is, but we were the high bidder 3 years ago, and now he's 3 years older and while he's played well for us, he hasn't led us to any success to speak of. I could honestly see his value on the market anywhere from the MLE to about 40 million. Very hard to guess.

I mean, what team out there is really going to write an enormous check for an old, really good scorer who doesn't do much else and who hasn't done too much winning?

Market value and what they end up giving him are often two different things in the NBA. Was anyone going to outbid the Celtics on a new contract for Jrue? Probably not. They didn't even let him hit the market.

As for DDR if he wants too much they should just let him go.

Exactly. Jrue is an important piece on a GREAT team. Demar is the best player on a totally irrelevant team. Apples and oranges.

[Ice Man]

Jalen Brunson should be a Bull. I think that now after every Knicks game. Hey, it's true. We had that guy under our noses, and instead acquired players who are either worse then him, or worse + hurt.

Sigh. Cranky.

[MrSparkle]

Jalen Brunson should be a Bull. I think that now after every Knicks game. Hey, it's true. We had that guy under our noses, and instead acquired players who are either worse then him, or worse + hurt.

Sigh. Cranky.

Yeah, I thought he was a great FREE target in that off-season. Couldn't believe Dallas was letting him walk. 20 PER in 18 playoff games? That's legit for a PG. Plus the ole Rick connection. I was ready to S&T/swap Zach for him.

[Chi town]

Have we really reached the point where playing 65 games per year is considered a major hurdle?

Jordan - Never started fewer than 78 games as a Bull, except when he broke his foot and in the '94 comeback season
Pippen - Never started fewer than 72 games as a Bull, except in his final back-surgery season
Grant - Never started fewer than 70 games as a Bull
BJ - Never played fewer than 81 games (!) as a Bull
Paxson - Never played fewer than 75 games as a Bull, until his final two seasons when he was old & beat up

But of course, the game was less physical back in those days.

I feel this is like the paternity leave discussion…

I have 3 kids 15, 13, and 11. I received two days per kid for paternity.

I have a brother 13 years younger than me. His kids are 6, 4, 2, newborn.

This bro received 3 months per kid and he could split it up.

Here is where I am… Need more rest, breaks etc but I also think the younger generation is way less resilient.