Patrick Williams next deal discussion with poll

[Chuck Everett]

It depends on if another team offers him a contract. He might want more than one year (if possible) because of his current injury.

The other thing to keep in mind is that if he takes the QO then he can veto any trades. That's not a big deal, but wanted to point that out.

I don't agree with letting him walk per se if I can offer a QO. However, few teams have cap space anyway. His team would have to find a sign and trade. I mean fat chance getting big dollars off of these past 4 seasons. I like Pat (he played for Coach Ham), but I abhor paying guys who don't deserve it. If he's not willing to take a fair deal, fine, play on the QO. If he over performs, he probably still needs the Bulls to help facilitate a S&T at a minimum. There is no downside to the front office being patient with regards to a deal with him, IMO.

I agree. I'm just saying that if another teams offers him a decent contract then do the Bulls match? Someone like the Pistons, Spurs or Charlotte might think he has potential (and is young enough to grow with their core).

If they overpay him, say 4 years/100 million. I'd be fine letting him walk. Each of those teams you listed would have him in 4th best player role at best from a usage perspective. Well, as we've seen with the Bulls, if that's his role, he would be drastically overpaid for what he gives you from night to night.

Charlotte: LaMelo, Miller, Bridges, high lotto pick
San Antonio: Wemby, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, high lotto pick
Detroit: Cade, Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Stewart, high lotto pick

[Dan Z]

I don't agree with letting him walk per se if I can offer a QO. However, few teams have cap space anyway. His team would have to find a sign and trade. I mean fat chance getting big dollars off of these past 4 seasons. I like Pat (he played for Coach Ham), but I abhor paying guys who don't deserve it. If he's not willing to take a fair deal, fine, play on the QO. If he over performs, he probably still needs the Bulls to help facilitate a S&T at a minimum. There is no downside to the front office being patient with regards to a deal with him, IMO.

I agree. I'm just saying that if another teams offers him a decent contract then do the Bulls match? Someone like the Pistons, Spurs or Charlotte might think he has potential (and is young enough to grow with their core).

If they overpay him, say 4 years/100 million. I'd be fine letting him walk. Each of those teams you listed would have him in 4th best player role at best from a usage perspective. Well, as we've seen with the Bulls, if that's his role, he would be drastically overpaid for what he gives you from night to night.

Charlotte: LaMelo, Miller, Bridges, high lotto pick
San Antonio: Wemby, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, high lotto pick
Detroit: Cade, Ivey, Duren, Ausar, Stewart, high lotto pick

I agree that 4 years 100 million is an overpay and that those teams would be stupid to pay him that much. My guess is they could get him for less, but I have no idea what the number is that would force the Bulls to let him walk.

[PJSteven22]

That's dodging the point. I never said Billy chooses the specific players. I said he is a huge part of pushing the philosophy.

Are Lonzo, Caruso or Demar big men? How the hell does that prove Billy isn't pushing small ball?

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You’re missing the point that he can only play who’s available or who AKME acquires.

Chicken or the egg, eh? I'm not missing anything.

The discussion was does Billy have a say in the type of players the Bulls acquire. Billy's love for small ball was a thing in OKC before he ever came here. But you think it is just a coincidence that since he got here, the Bulls have shed all their big men other than Vuc and Drum? You think it's a coincidence that the Bulls have only 2 players over 6'8" and that Billy refused to play one of them any real minutes until Drummond performed so well in limited minutes that it was apparent Billy had been an imbecile to keep him on the bench?

Do you really think that Billy has been begging AKME to get a couple bigger players and AKME are just ignoring him? And that Billy is fine with taking all the heat for the team without raising hell with the front office?

FFS, Billy got a secret extension. But you don't think he has any say?

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I’m just pointing out the obvious. He’s a coach. These types of issues should be brought up to the front office. Him bringing up a raucous hurts him even more. You have to think bigger picture.

[Stratmaster]

You’re missing the point that he can only play who’s available or who AKME acquires.

Chicken or the egg, eh? I'm not missing anything.

The discussion was does Billy have a say in the type of players the Bulls acquire. Billy's love for small ball was a thing in OKC before he ever came here. But you think it is just a coincidence that since he got here, the Bulls have shed all their big men other than Vuc and Drum? You think it's a coincidence that the Bulls have only 2 players over 6'8" and that Billy refused to play one of them any real minutes until Drummond performed so well in limited minutes that it was apparent Billy had been an imbecile to keep him on the bench?

Do you really think that Billy has been begging AKME to get a couple bigger players and AKME are just ignoring him? And that Billy is fine with taking all the heat for the team without raising hell with the front office?

FFS, Billy got a secret extension. But you don't think he has any say?

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I’m just pointing out the obvious. He’s a coach. These types of issues should be brought up to the front office. Him bringing up a raucous hurts him even more. You have to think bigger picture.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying he agrees with the small ball approach or disagrees?

[PJSteven22]

Chicken or the egg, eh? I'm not missing anything.

The discussion was does Billy have a say in the type of players the Bulls acquire. Billy's love for small ball was a thing in OKC before he ever came here. But you think it is just a coincidence that since he got here, the Bulls have shed all their big men other than Vuc and Drum? You think it's a coincidence that the Bulls have only 2 players over 6'8" and that Billy refused to play one of them any real minutes until Drummond performed so well in limited minutes that it was apparent Billy had been an imbecile to keep him on the bench?

Do you really think that Billy has been begging AKME to get a couple bigger players and AKME are just ignoring him? And that Billy is fine with taking all the heat for the team without raising hell with the front office?

FFS, Billy got a secret extension. But you don't think he has any say?

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I’m just pointing out the obvious. He’s a coach. These types of issues should be brought up to the front office. Him bringing up a raucous hurts him even more. You have to think bigger picture.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying he agrees with the small ball approach or disagrees?

I’m saying he doesn’t have much influence because he’s a head. It went over your head

[Stratmaster]

I’m just pointing out the obvious. He’s a coach. These types of issues should be brought up to the front office. Him bringing up a raucous hurts him even more. You have to think bigger picture.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying he agrees with the small ball approach or disagrees?

I’m saying he doesn’t have much influence because he’s a head. It went over your head

But you don't address any of the facts that might lead to the exact opposite conclusion.

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[Chi town]

Sure sucks we don’t have Pat for Heat and potentially Boston. Would have been great growth opps for him.

With that said. If we see a Coby and Ayo like rise from Pat next season there is real hope to believe in this team and a great landing spot for a star to go with them.

[Chi town]

Don’t forget!

https://youtu.be/PUOGCDFA_6g?si=J0klOFyaWb_AXJ1H

I think he resigns a Coby type deal. 3/45.

[RSP83]

Don’t forget!

https://youtu.be/PUOGCDFA_6g?si=J0klOFyaWb_AXJ1H

I think he resigns a Coby type deal. 3/45.

He should be happy with that. Ayo and Coby have been carrying his jock.

[sco]

Don’t forget!

https://youtu.be/PUOGCDFA_6g?si=J0klOFyaWb_AXJ1H

I think he resigns a Coby type deal. 3/45.

He should be happy with that. Ayo and Coby have been carrying his jock.

Look, I think the approach should be the same as those guys. Have the FO public say they'll match any offer. Let Pat go shop the market, and see if he'll settle fore 3/45, which offers more safety than taking the QO, but isn't so long that he can't earn a big payday with a couple good seasons.

If he forces the QO, if I were the FO, I'd still say we want to keep him but bring him off the bench and reduce his market value.

[drosestruts]

It would be great to get Patrick Williams to re-sign on a value deal.

The way I see it - Lauri broke out in year 6. Coby's having a breakout in year 5. It takes time these days?

From the 2020 NBA Draft - who's even broken out? Anthony Edwards for sure. Tyrese Haliburton for sure. Tyrese Maxey for sure. Desmond Bane.

Haliburton and Bane especially were both older players.

Some will say LaMelo but, does he even play basketball? Poor Ball brothers, they're so good and so much fun to watch.

It's not that I think everyone else is a bust, I think it just takes time these days. Williams was also the youngest player in his draft class. He was always a project to an extent.

[Chi town]

It would be great to get Patrick Williams to re-sign on a value deal.

The way I see it - Lauri broke out in year 6. Coby's having a breakout in year 5. It takes time these days?

From the 2020 NBA Draft - who's even broken out? Anthony Edwards for sure. Tyrese Haliburton for sure. Tyrese Maxey for sure. Desmond Bane.

Haliburton and Bane especially were both older players.

Some will say LaMelo but, does he even play basketball? Poor Ball brothers, they're so good and so much fun to watch.

It's not that I think everyone else is a bust, I think it just takes time these days. Williams was also the youngest player in his draft class. He was always a project to an extent.

Another reason why I am pro Shannon Edey and DaSilva in the draft. These young guys suck on their rookie contracts and then you have to resign them before they if they even break out.

Draft Jaquez’s that are winning two way players day one.

[drosestruts]

It would be great to get Patrick Williams to re-sign on a value deal.

The way I see it - Lauri broke out in year 6. Coby's having a breakout in year 5. It takes time these days?

From the 2020 NBA Draft - who's even broken out? Anthony Edwards for sure. Tyrese Haliburton for sure. Tyrese Maxey for sure. Desmond Bane.

Haliburton and Bane especially were both older players.

Some will say LaMelo but, does he even play basketball? Poor Ball brothers, they're so good and so much fun to watch.

It's not that I think everyone else is a bust, I think it just takes time these days. Williams was also the youngest player in his draft class. He was always a project to an extent.

Another reason why I am pro Shannon Edey and DaSilva in the draft. These young guys suck on their rookie contracts and then you have to resign them before they if they even break out.

Draft Jaquez’s that are winning two way players day one.

I'd have to agree with you there. Ayo is our example. Did still take him a little while, but comparatively much less. I like a few upper classmen in this draft:

Knecht
DaSilva - as you mentioned
Daron Holmes

[ChettheJet]

Some people are now spouting the GarPax theory of drafting 3 and 4 year players fro winning programs so they've matured to be closer to NBA players and have the culture of a winning program and are shaken by being on the big stage in big games. Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Noah.

[2weekswithpay]

The issue with trying to get Pat on a contract similar to Coby is that the market for forwards is different. When a defensive specialist like Jarred Vanderbilt can get 4yrs 48M, how do you convince Pat to sign a similar deal?

I've seen people throw out names like Herb Jones and Deni Avdija as comparable contracts. I'd like to add that neither player tested the market. The Pelicans declined Herb's option so they could sign him to a more team-friendly extension and Herb gets a raise and financial security. Deni signed his contract a year early when he could've gotten a similar deal as a free agent.

[madvillian]

I think 4/60 is a fair starting point. The injury, while awful for Pat, might end up helping the Bulls here if they can play their cards right.

[MrSparkle]

The thing about Pat, is he played about 12 good (if we want to call them that.. more like “OK”) games out of 43. I’d consider atleast 10 of those to be deplorable (sub-Snell… better off if he didn’t even shoot the ball). 1-4 record in his 5 “best” games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willipa01/gamelog/2024

Coupled with missing half the season for the 2nd time in his short career… he failed to achieve many milestones for a RFA.

Saddiq Bey is probably a dead-on comparison (if not clearly better, so far). We’ll see what either guy makes, having some promise, but also many ups and downs, and season ending injuries.

I’ll be kind of livid if Bulls resign him to $15m or more salary. This should be a Coby deal part 2. $33/3 with no player option… but loaded with lofty incentives (all-star, mip, all-defensive, etc.).

[DuckIII]

Some people are now spouting the GarPax theory of drafting 3 and 4 year players fro winning programs so they've matured to be closer to NBA players and have the culture of a winning program and are shaken by being on the big stage in big games. Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Noah.

And? It’s not necessarily an ideology. This draft is unusual in its mix of relatively lowly regarded “upside lottery picks” while having numerous intriguing upperclassmen.

I’m normally a swing for the fences type of guy, but I could definitely see preferring a more seasoned player in this particular draft. It will depend on who is there.

[sco]

The thing about Pat, is he played about 12 good (if we want to call them that.. more like “OK”) games out of 43. I’d consider atleast 10 of those to be deplorable (sub-Snell… better off if he didn’t even shoot the ball). 1-4 record in his 5 “best” games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willipa01/gamelog/2024

Coupled with missing half the season for the 2nd time in his short career… he failed to achieve many milestones for a RFA.

Saddiq Bey is probably a dead-on comparison (if not clearly better, so far). We’ll see what either guy makes, having some promise, but also many ups and downs, and season ending injuries.

I’ll be kind of livid if Bulls resign him to $15m or more salary. This should be a Coby deal part 2. $33/3 with no player option… but loaded with lofty incentives (all-star, mip, all-defensive, etc.).

The complicating factor is that teams are going to have a hard time getting comfortable with a "big long deal" given Pat's foot injury, which is one of those injuries that are hard to assess recovery until after you've played a good part of the season on it.

[Chi town]

It would be great to get Patrick Williams to re-sign on a value deal.

The way I see it - Lauri broke out in year 6. Coby's having a breakout in year 5. It takes time these days?

From the 2020 NBA Draft - who's even broken out? Anthony Edwards for sure. Tyrese Haliburton for sure. Tyrese Maxey for sure. Desmond Bane.

Haliburton and Bane especially were both older players.

Some will say LaMelo but, does he even play basketball? Poor Ball brothers, they're so good and so much fun to watch.

It's not that I think everyone else is a bust, I think it just takes time these days. Williams was also the youngest player in his draft class. He was always a project to an extent.

Another reason why I am pro Shannon Edey and DaSilva in the draft. These young guys suck on their rookie contracts and then you have to resign them before they if they even break out.

Draft Jaquez’s that are winning two way players day one.

I'd have to agree with you there. Ayo is our example. Did still take him a little while, but comparatively much less. I like a few upper classmen in this draft:

Knecht
DaSilva - as you mentioned
Daron Holmes

I like Knect too but he will be long gone.