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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#543 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:47 pm

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I hope some team set to draft below us wants to move up and give us a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder this year. I would be willing to crop back as far as #17 which is Jacksonville's pick. I think Latu would still be on the board and he's the guy I ultimately want. We can get WR help in the 2nd or even the 3rd Round. Latu opposite Sweat would give us a dynamic duo to pressure QBs. And we have to face a bunch of good QBs this season. We can't totally ignore the defense in this draft. If we're not improving on that side of the ball we're getting worse. More QB pressure = more INTs our secondary can grab.


Latu has become my favorite target for the 2nd pick in first round. I'm coming around on Bowers as well. Just elite gamers that may drop a bit due to "position" or medical concerns. Basically I'm in favor of trading back a few spots and getting whatever draft capital is available while also still grabbing a game changer.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#545 » by dice » Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:31 am

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jacoby1us wrote:Why not swing for the fences now?

Not interested in continuing to build through the draft, the Bears need to produce this upcoming season and show the league that they're competing for the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl. This will pay dividends next offseason when top tier FAs are actually interested in signing here.

We need to trade up for MHJ at #5 and bolster our offense for the immediate foreseeable future!
24 FRP and Carolina's 25SRP.


Ryan Pace is that you?

it's been Poles's MO as well, unfortunately. He's had an itchy trigger finger since the Claypool trade.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#547 » by TheJordanRule » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:01 am

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jacoby1us wrote:Why not swing for the fences now?

Not interested in continuing to build through the draft, the Bears need to produce this upcoming season and show the league that they're competing for the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl. This will pay dividends next offseason when top tier FAs are actually interested in signing here.

We need to trade up for MHJ at #5 and bolster our offense for the immediate foreseeable future!
24 FRP and Carolina's 25SRP.


Ryan Pace is that you?

it's been Poles's MO as well, unfortunately. He's had an itchy trigger finger since the Claypool trade.


I'm hoping the depth of this draft pushes Pace in the opposite direction. I feel like trading back to grab an OT like Fashanu, Latham or Fautanu in the mid to late first would be a steal, which would also give us an extra upside pick in the 2nd round that everyone talks about. Everyone wants us to chase the upside of this year's WRs in the second round of this draft, but I'd rather go with a DE like Chop Robinson or Chris Braswell, or a C like Jackson Powers Johnson.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#548 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:46 am

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jacoby1us wrote:Why not swing for the fences now?

Not interested in continuing to build through the draft, the Bears need to produce this upcoming season and show the league that they're competing for the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl. This will pay dividends next offseason when top tier FAs are actually interested in signing here.

We need to trade up for MHJ at #5 and bolster our offense for the immediate foreseeable future!
24 FRP and Carolina's 25SRP.


Ryan Pace is that you?

it's been Poles's MO as well, unfortunately. He's had an itchy trigger finger since the Claypool trade.


It’s been both. It’s also been reported that this draft isn’t that deep so it’s reasonable thats we don’t have that many picks and instead he went with guys that play and help next season because his awesome trading down resulted in a generational trade down to acquire the greatest quarter of all time.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#549 » by Jeffster81 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:30 am

ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Latu has become my favorite target for the 2nd pick in first round. I'm coming around on Bowers as well. Just elite gamers that may drop a bit due to "position" or medical concerns. Basically I'm in favor of trading back a few spots and getting whatever draft capital is available while also still grabbing a game changer.


I love Latu the talent and had it not been for neck surgery and needed to medically retired for 2 years, he would be my 1B at 9 (Rome is 1a). With that said, I don't want Latu at 9. If the Bears trade down to 13 or so, I'm game. But the Bears cannot risk the 9 pick on a young man with a significant surgery on the neck already. No on Latu at 9, yes on Latu at 13 or lower.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#550 » by Almost Retired » Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:14 pm

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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Latu has become my favorite target for the 2nd pick in first round. I'm coming around on Bowers as well. Just elite gamers that may drop a bit due to "position" or medical concerns. Basically I'm in favor of trading back a few spots and getting whatever draft capital is available while also still grabbing a game changer.


I love Latu the talent and had it not been for neck surgery and needed to medically retired for 2 years, he would be my 1B at 9 (Rome is 1a). With that said, I don't want Latu at 9. If the Bears trade down to 13 or so, I'm game. But the Bears cannot risk the 9 pick on a young man with a significant surgery on the neck already. No on Latu at 9, yes on Latu at 13 or lower.


I think he might last until at least 15, but you never know. I think of all our options with the #9 pick on a trade down Latu would have the greatest immediate effect on our success. He is just elite as a pass rusher. The speed, the ability to close, the high level technique, the versatility. Land Latu and he and Sweat will combine for at least 15 sacks if not more. Teams will have to scheme to neutralize them which would give the middle of the defensive line backfield disrupting opportunities. Latu would be a force multiplier. His medical do not worry me at this point. He's had 4 years to heal and build up bone around the disk fusion he had.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#551 » by fleet » Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:35 pm

Supposedly, people are worried that the neck repair has a limited shelf life for holding up to football. Like maybe he has 4 or 5 years left before he has to stop. Anyway, while pass rush is nice. I saw Latu getting washed down the field by blockers on sone run plays to his side. That needs to be addressed.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#553 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:33 pm

Side note... One of my biggest customers has 2 shows a year one north and one south... last night was the south one and next thursday is the north one... for next Thursday they are bringing in big screen for the draft which is a smart move.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Theoretically isn't that every team and QB's goal? Well maybe not Carolina.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

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Theoretically isn't that every team and QB's goal? Well maybe not Carolina.


Yea but how many of them actually have the power to force an organization to operate this way, especially when those QBs are under contract.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#556 » by Jeffster81 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:22 pm

fleet wrote:Supposedly, people are worried that the neck repair has a limited shelf life for holding up to football. Like maybe he has 4 or 5 years left before he has to stop. Anyway, while pass rush is nice. I saw Latu getting washed down the field by blockers on sone run plays to his side. That needs to be addressed.


Leighton Vander Esch. I know different position but his career was cut short because of a neck injury. I just don't think it worth the risk of a top 10 pick to take somebody that has a neck surgery already on his resume. I rather go Jared Verse at Edge, or even Murphy at DT before I'd take Latu.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#557 » by JockItch43 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:29 pm

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He better turn out to be Trent Williams Jr if they do.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#558 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:32 pm

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fleet wrote:Supposedly, people are worried that the neck repair has a limited shelf life for holding up to football. Like maybe he has 4 or 5 years left before he has to stop. Anyway, while pass rush is nice. I saw Latu getting washed down the field by blockers on sone run plays to his side. That needs to be addressed.


Leighton Vander Esch. I know different position but his career was cut short because of a neck injury. I just don't think it worth the risk of a top 10 pick to take somebody that has a neck surgery already on his resume. I rather go Jared Verse at Edge, or even Murphy at DT before I'd take Latu.


I’m not a fan of burning a top 10 pick on a dude with medical issues / uncertainty especially when this is our last chance at blue chip stud because we’re going to be winning 14-15 games a year for the next decade.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#559 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:37 pm

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Theoretically isn't that every team and QB's goal? Well maybe not Carolina.


Yea but how many of them actually have the power to force an organization to operate this way, especially when those QBs are under contract.



Oh I agree Caleb has a more power than the average cat but the writing of that is still fluff.
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Re: Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time 

Post#560 » by Almost Retired » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:25 pm

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fleet wrote:Supposedly, people are worried that the neck repair has a limited shelf life for holding up to football. Like maybe he has 4 or 5 years left before he has to stop. Anyway, while pass rush is nice. I saw Latu getting washed down the field by blockers on sone run plays to his side. That needs to be addressed.


Leighton Vander Esch. I know different position but his career was cut short because of a neck injury. I just don't think it worth the risk of a top 10 pick to take somebody that has a neck surgery already on his resume. I rather go Jared Verse at Edge, or even Murphy at DT before I'd take Latu.


I'd be happy with Verse also. More so than with Dallas Turner. Turner would be perfect on the outside in 3-4. That's not what Flus runs. A Verse and Sweat combination would also account for a lot of hurries and sacks. I think we could drop to 17 and still get Verse or Latu, and pick up a mid second rounder.

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