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Dresden wrote:The meager return the Jets got for Wilson is about in line with what the Bears got for Fields. Goes to show teams just aren't willing to let go of valuable draft picks for unproven QB's.
Brad Biggs wrote:Fields was in the bottom third of the league in too many key statistical metrics for the Bears to commit to the idea of trading down from the first pick for a bundle of future assets and then building around him.
fleet wrote:You people who are willing to trade next years FRP for MHJ are insane. Poles ain’t doing that
Jimako10 wrote:Dresden wrote:The meager return the Jets got for Wilson is about in line with what the Bears got for Fields. Goes to show teams just aren't willing to let go of valuable draft picks for unproven QB's.
Pretty funny that Dallas gave up a 4th on the QB who played the least by far, while everyone else in that QB class returned a 6th.
dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.
TheSuzerain wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what exactly this means for the Bears?
Basically nothing unless they forfeit #8.
If they forfeit #8, we'll pick one spot higher.
Dresden wrote:JockItch43 wrote:dice wrote:he should if he's even a 1st round talent!
similar cap hit both years. he'd have to be traded for peanuts
which obviously would be rare given the swift signing
this is just an example of people bending over backwards to come up with scenarios where taking bowers wouldn't be wasting/diluting resources to some degree
you JUST said he could easily top 1000 yards. so show your work!
the reality is that bowers can't be featured to the degree necessary to justify his selection at 9 w/o both a highly optimistic projection of offensive output AND diluting the roles/value of others
yes, folks, there is such a concept as too much of a good thing when your resources are limited. if caleb is the real deal, bears fans should not at this point and moving forward be settling for seasons like 2018
no! which is why i think poles's strategy sucks. he's made splashy offensive offseason signings which will create excitement but be less than optimal for winning
not if it's odunze at WR3 and the plan is to let allen walk at season's end. but it was always my preference to sign a younger WR who could fulfill either the #2 or #3 role depending on whether odunze was available. that's clearly not keenan allen. so we're left with a less than ideal situation at #9 regardless...at least in the short term
as i said, bowers should be expected to be the #2 guy at #9. the bears should be thinking bigger
and the chiefs are a kinda unicorn situation, no?
Bowers could easily develop into the number two or even the number one guy, that's the whole point of taking him! And I don't know what you're talking about regarding "show your work!". You clearly missed my point entirely. He could rack up over 1000 yards next year, that shouldn't surprise anyone. Someone could get hurt, he could just be featured more due to ability... the point was, like you alluded to in a pervious post, there's only so much of the ball to go around. Bowers racking up that much yardage likely means one of these other guys role is reduced a bit. He could also put up 700 yards next year like Kmet did last year and I'd still consider that a success. And while there's only so much of the ball to go around, there's also only so much these defenses will be able to cover with all these options. Now that we will have a QB who can actually take advantage and has the ability to spread the ball around, that's the immediate short term benefit of a move like this for another receiving weapon. That... and it mitigates quality depth issues should a guy like Allen, Moore, Kmet, etc go down for a bit.
All of this can be said for a guy like Odunze, Nabers, or MHJ as well. This move should be viewed less about short term redundancies and needs and more about a great opportunity to acquire an impact player and a long term fit for your franchise QB. This may be our last opportunity to grab a clear blue chip prospect in very long time, and that's why you go for it! Same could be said if Poles drafts any other WR or LT at 9.
I think there's almost as much redundancy using #9 on a WR as there is on using it on a TE. Either way, it's going to be tough to fully utilize this player given the other guys we have at the position. One difference is that Bowers would more than likely be TE1 very quickly, whereas Odunza is going to be WR3 for the whole season, barring injury. Of course, that makes Kmet a little less valuable, and it would be a great move if they could move him, although from what has been written, they love his versatility. Bowers is not going to be as good at blocking most likely. So maybe that means Everett's role is reduced.
It's a tough decision, and I think the best move is trading down to get a 2nd round pick, and using that to get the WR3. Or just taking the best def. lineman at 9.
Dominator83 wrote:
We knew all along they couldn't afford to build their own stadium
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Highly likely this will be the guy, I’m assuming they trade down though right??
Kurt Heimlich wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:
Highly likely this will be the guy, I’m assuming they trade down though right??
Seems kind of odd they didn't have a top 30 visit with Byron if hes a potential target at 9 (or trade back even), right? Seems like turner latu or chop are the more obvious d line guys with the round 1 pick 'as top 30 visit guys. Unless this top 30 visit stuff is as abided by as is the tampering period in free agency I guess lol.
Brad Biggs wrote:Fields was in the bottom third of the league in too many key statistical metrics for the Bears to commit to the idea of trading down from the first pick for a bundle of future assets and then building around him.
NecessaryEvil wrote:
fleet wrote:Kurt Heimlich wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:
Highly likely this will be the guy, I’m assuming they trade down though right??
Seems kind of odd they didn't have a top 30 visit with Byron if hes a potential target at 9 (or trade back even), right? Seems like turner latu or chop are the more obvious d line guys with the round 1 pick 'as top 30 visit guys. Unless this top 30 visit stuff is as abided by as is the tampering period in free agency I guess lol.
No 30 visit should indicate they aren’t drafting him. He’s not their type anyway. It looks like a classic smokescreen.
