Bears 2024: 5.0 It's Caleb Williams time

[molepharmer]

One may not like the selection of a punter, but he gives a pretty nice first interview. Sox fans may think otherwise.

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[dice]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

[Dresden]

Pretty much a perfect draft.

Superstar QB, blue chip receiver that fell to us, offensive and defensive line help, and a much needed punter.

no such thing as a much needed punter

Josh Shrock would disagree with that:

"The Bears' first, and possibly only, Day 3 selection of the 2024 NFL Draft came as a massive surprise, but also filled a key special teams need."

[Dresden]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

[dice]

there is not a single punter in the league that makes 4 mil a season, folks. taking a punter in the middle of the draft absolutely destroys your upside value. kiper put it best when he said that the 4th is the "boom or bust" round. you want as many boom possibilities that you can get. no sense in playing it safe here. especially given an offense that figures to be dominant

[Kurt Heimlich]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

And we had 9 picks in 2025 (8 now). The punter pick I guess I can understand some people complaining about because a lot of people just don't respect the position or its impact on the game. But going from 4 picks in 2024 and 9 picks in 2025 to 5 picks in 2024 and 8 picks in 2025 doesn't seem like we're exactly mortgaging the future here.

[NesimLE]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

The pick they traded for was actually their original 5th this year, so the 9th pick in the 5th round. So I think the theory is, we're trading a mid(or maybe late? lol)-4th next year for an early 5th this year. Not awful.

edit: I'd certainly have preferred a returner to a punter though, if a guy like that was on the board.

[fleet]

I assume if we took a punter that we simply did not like anyone else in the draft.

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Hard to take seriously anyone who thinks a punter might be your best pick in decades.

Are we ruling out sarcasm? IDK know about that comment.

[dice]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

nonsensical statement. total fallacy. there is no "time value of draft pick" like there is a time value of money. GMs do that **** when their jobs are on the line. THAT's when this year's pick becomes more valuable

GMs tend to value present picks more than future picks because it benefits them personally, not because it benefits the team overall. they are looking for their next contract in a job with a short shelf life

poles has no sense of value and the way he's going he will waste caleb's long-term potential to win super bowls. he's ryan pace redux except he was correct to tear it down when he came in and he thus lucked into caleb. whereas pace's fate was ultimately tied to trubisky

[dice]

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Hard to take seriously anyone who thinks a punter might be your best pick in decades.

Are we ruling out sarcasm? IDK know about that comment.

too detailed in its defense to be sarcasm

[fleet]

Booker definitely has that upside developmental frame/length poles loves. He's light though for a 4/3 3 down edge. But his tape looks pretty good for only 1 year of real college ball and that frame is great and hes still only 21. Hard not to be excited about the outcome of this draft right now.

It shouldn’t be too difficult to upgrade Dominique Robinson anyway. Appropriate round for a redux.

[fleet]

Hard to take seriously anyone who thinks a punter might be your best pick in decades.

Are we ruling out sarcasm? IDK know about that comment.

too detailed in its defense to be sarcasm

It’s like going from sublime to the absurd.

[Jimako10]

Pretty much a perfect draft.

Superstar QB, blue chip receiver that fell to us, offensive and defensive line help, and a much needed punter.

no such thing as a much needed punter

Saving this post for when Tory Taylor pins KC inside the 5 with less than 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl.

[NesimLE]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

nonsensical statement. total fallacy. there is no "time value of draft pick" like there is a time value of money. GMs do that **** when their jobs are on the line. THAT's when this year's pick becomes more valuable

GMs tend to value present picks more than future picks because it benefits them personally, not because it benefits the team overall

That's only relevant in a vacuum though. If the guy who you're trading up for has a high enough grade, it can be worth the value.
As an absurd, obviously impossible example, if we traded a future 4th for the pick to draft Malik Nabers in the 5th round this year, you do that every time.

So if they had a 3rd or 4th round grade on Booker, then there's no problem with trading a future 4th straight up, to get him this year after he fell into the 5th. The only downside is (as you noted) we could've picked him in the 4th to begin with. But even then, we didn't give up any extra picks, so it's essentially using the 4th a year early to get a guy that (hopefully) had at least equivalent value on our board. (meaning, the player we picked in the 4th next year with the pick, should be equivalent, so we did it now for fit or excess value above a 4th)

I can't imagine why they had such a high value on Taylor though, that's the open question.

[dice]

Pretty much a perfect draft.

Superstar QB, blue chip receiver that fell to us, offensive and defensive line help, and a much needed punter.

no such thing as a much needed punter

Saving this post for when Tory Taylor pins KC inside the 5 with less than 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl.

go for it. he wasn't great at that sort of thing in college. he just has a big leg

again, no punter in the whole league making 4 mil a year

every time this guy pins a guy inside the 10 as a bears player i'm gonna hear about it. won't be as bad as when i criticized the mack acquisition and got bombarded in the first half of his first game here though

[Mindcrime]

Today I learned there are 23 minutes long videos analyzing punters . Anyways love the pick, super underrated position with a lot of value on the field.

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[dice]

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

nonsensical statement. total fallacy. there is no "time value of draft pick" like there is a time value of money. GMs do that **** when their jobs are on the line. THAT's when this year's pick becomes more valuable

GMs tend to value present picks more than future picks because it benefits them personally, not because it benefits the team overall

That's only relevant in a vacuum though. If the guy who you're trading up for has a high enough grade, it can be worth the value.
As an absurd, obviously impossible example, if we traded a future 4th for the pick to draft Malik Nabers in the 5th round this year, you do that every time.

if a guy you think is a 3rd round value falls to the 5th, it makes it seem like a good decision, right? but poles would've taken such a guy in the 4th!

and know what's gonna happen next year? there will be a guy w/ a 2nd or 3rd round grade at a position the bears are looking at who falls to the 4th. but the pick won't be there. so is poles then gonna trade a 2026 3rd rounder?

[Almost Retired]

Booker definitely has that upside developmental frame/length poles loves. He's light though for a 4/3 3 down edge. But his tape looks pretty good for only 1 year of real college ball and that frame is great and hes still only 21. Hard not to be excited about the outcome of this draft right now.

It shouldn’t be too difficult to upgrade Dominique Robinson anyway. Appropriate round for a redux.

Booker could help with Special Teams until he adds weight and strength. Maybe insert him when the Defense has the opponent on a 3rd and very long. Give him a chance to disrupt the QB.

[JockItch43]

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Wonder what this was all about. Could be nothing I suppose but a little odd.

Flus thought he was getting his DE... especially with Trice on the board right before the Falcons took him the pick before. Poles instead went with his highest rated guy... he said as much during the press conference to announce Kiran. Flus probably telling him to get him some damn help in this clip lmao.

[Almost Retired]

trading next years 4th for a 5th reeks of a guy who thinks his job is on the line this season. not a guy who should expect to be around a long time

use THIS year's 4th on the guy if you like him so much. save next year's 4th and skip the punter. christ

That's pretty much the value of a 5th this year- a 4th next year. So he got equal value, and just accelerated the process by a year. What's to complain about?

nonsensical statement. total fallacy. there is no "time value of draft pick" like there is a time value of money. GMs do that **** when their jobs are on the line. THAT's when this year's pick becomes more valuable

GMs tend to value present picks more than future picks because it benefits them personally, not because it benefits the team overall. they are looking for their next contract in a job with a short shelf life

poles has no sense of value and the way he's going he will waste caleb's long-term potential to win super bowls. he's ryan pace redux except he was correct to tear it down when he came in and he thus lucked into caleb. whereas pace's fate was ultimately tied to trubisky

Kind of a harsh take, even for you dice. Poles has been one of the best GMs in the league since he took over. He and his staff are being methodical. If Taylor gives us an all pro punter for a decade that helps the defense by pinning the opponent inside the 20 consistently then we have a winning pick.