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Post#41 » by A.J. » Sat Dec 1, 2007 3:50 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:Ugh.

More mediocre players. Blum, Jose Cruz Jr., now Matsui.

Brocail? lol.

Let's just sign every scrub we can find...the older the better too.

Did you get a chance to check out Matsui's numbers outside of Coors? Have fun watching him suck it up all year.

edit: Here are his stats:

Coors: .330 AVG, .381 OBP, .482 SLUG, 4 HR 25 RBI, 14 SB
Away: .249 AVG, .301 OBP, .333 SLUG, 0 HR 12 RBI, 18 SB

His #'s at MMP: .222 AVG(my god), .263 OBP(HOLY HELL), .389 SLUG, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB

He had 2 good seasons at Coors(mostly AT Coors so the stats are inflated). He was horrible in NY(in 2004 he was "ok"). Pretty sure he can barely hit it out of the infield.

Seems like he's only good for defense and stealing bases WHEN he gets on, which probably won't be often enough.

I hope I'm wrong though, maybe he will turn a corner and become a solid everyday hitter, but I doubt it.

I guess we really can't do any better though, after all it IS the Astros we're talking about.


just think of matsui as an upgrade over burke
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Post#42 » by RaoulDuke79 » Sat Dec 1, 2007 5:24 am

I tried to make myself believe that, but then I realized we're just paying $15 million a year for 3 years, all for a slight upgrade at 2B.

Sounds like a bad deal to me.

I'm not sure what I think about Gagne. I know he can be damn good and he's only 31. He sucked when he went to Boston but I'd take a chance on him here if he doesn't cost TOO much.

It's Boras though, I don't see it happening. That man is pure evil.
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Post#43 » by A.J. » Sat Dec 1, 2007 5:31 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:I tried to make myself believe that, but then I realized we're just paying $15 million a year for 3 years, all for a slight upgrade at 2B.

Sounds like a bad deal to me.

I'm not sure what I think about Gagne. I know he can be damn good and he's only 31. He sucked when he went to Boston but I'd take a chance on him here if he doesn't cost TOO much.

It's Boras though, I don't see it happening. That man is pure evil.


think about it like this too...i'd rather matsui suck here than him being good with the cubs. lol

as for gagne, i agree, lets take a chance on him to be our closer..lightnu=ing cant strike twice can it?
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Post#44 » by RaoulDuke79 » Sat Dec 1, 2007 5:53 am

I'd rather Matsui suck with the Cubs than with us...

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Post#45 » by A.J. » Sat Dec 1, 2007 6:01 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:I'd rather Matsui suck with the Cubs than with us...

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yeah that too...btw, we need to recruit for the upcoming season/
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Post#46 » by RaoulDuke79 » Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:27 am

Cards didn't offer Eckstein arbitration. WE SHOULD do whatever we can to get him here but knowing our (Please Use More Appropriate Word) management they won't bother since we have scrubs Everett/Matsui/Blum.

I know we need starting pitching desperately but I want Eckstein here as well. He would be a great asset for us IMO.
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Post#47 » by A.J. » Mon Dec 3, 2007 2:01 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:Cards didn't offer Eckstein arbitration. WE SHOULD do whatever we can to get him here but knowing our (Please Use More Appropriate Word) management they won't bother since we have scrubs Everett/Matsui/Blum.

I know we need starting pitching desperately but I want Eckstein here as well. He would be a great asset for us IMO.


i agree, at least let him take everett's spot at shotstop and let him bat second.

1. bourn cf
2. eckstein ss
3. pence rf
4. berkman 1b
5. lee lf
6. wigginton 3b
7. matsui 2b
8. towles
9. pitcher
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Post#48 » by houstonboy01 » Mon Dec 3, 2007 5:54 am

a non white player on the astros :o

Kas the first Japanese player to be a Astro?
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Post#49 » by A.J. » Tue Dec 4, 2007 5:27 am

The Astros and Giants are among the teams that have expressed interest in Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada, sources have told SI.com.

The Astros, who signed free-agent second baseman Kaz Matsui to a three-year, $16.5 million contract on Sunday, have long been interested in the 31-year-old Tejada, who was the American League MVP in 2002 with the Oakland A's.

Since signing with the Orioles as a free agent in 2004, Tejada has often been the subject of trade rumors. He demanded a trade in 2005 and the Orioles reportedly were close to dealing him before the 2006 trade deadline.

Although his production has dropped off in recent years, he still batted .296 with 18 home runs and 81 RBIs last season despite missing 29 games. Some say his range has also declined, so a move to third base could be in his future.

The Orioles are believed to be interested in outfielder Michael Bourn (acquired from the Phillies in the Brad Lidge deal), shortstop Adam Everett and other Astros prospects


please get this deal done without giving up bourn.
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Post#50 » by A.J. » Tue Dec 4, 2007 5:35 am

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7521692


Meanwhile, the Twins are considering filing tampering charges against the Yankees because of Hank Steinbrenner's public comments about Santana, according to a major-league source. Minnesota is also discussing trades involving closer Joe Nathan, with the Astros being one possible suitor.

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Post#51 » by RaoulDuke79 » Tue Dec 4, 2007 6:02 am

I wouldn't mind getting Tejada's roided ass here either. I don't know how good(if at all) Bourn will be but since we don't have any other legit CF(I want Pence in RF) I'd hate to part with him....

Getting Nathan would be fantastic, I wonder what they'd want for him. Obviously the only untouchables IMO should be Oswalt/Berkman/Lee/Pence, the rest are worth considering.

If we somehow manage to get one of them(or both) without giving up our core guys and too many of our prospects I'd be thrilled.

Here's a scenario:

Sign Eckstein, he can leadoff
Trade Bourn, Everett, prospect or 2 for Tejada
Trade Burke/Qualls/Scott/whatever for Nathan

Tempting...

We'd only be losing one guy we need in Bourn, and mostly just for his defensive ability in CF, while keeping all of our key guys, adding Tejada at 3rd, bring in Eckstein to leadoff and play SS, and adding Nathan as our closer.

Fantasy indeed, but it would be nice.
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Post#52 » by A.J. » Tue Dec 4, 2007 6:13 am

RaoulDuke79 wrote:I wouldn't mind getting Tejada's roided ass here either. I don't know how good(if at all) Bourn will be but since we don't have any other legit CF(I want Pence in RF) I'd hate to part with him....

Getting Nathan would be fantastic, I wonder what they'd want for him. Obviously the only untouchables IMO should be Oswalt/Berkman/Lee/Pence, the rest are worth considering.

If we somehow manage to get one of them(or both) without giving up our core guys and too many of our prospects I'd be thrilled.

Here's a scenario:

Sign Eckstein, he can leadoff
Trade Bourn, Everett, prospect or 2 for Tejada
Trade Burke/Qualls/Scott/whatever for Nathan

Tempting...

We'd only be losing one guy we need in Bourn, and mostly just for his defensive ability in CF, while keeping all of our key guys, adding Tejada at 3rd, bring in Eckstein to leadoff and play SS, and adding Nathan as our closer.

Fantasy indeed, but it would be nice.


i agree with you on the sign eckstein part.....even though we would loss some defense at shotstop, and i would bat eckstein 2nd with bourn leading off.

as for tejada the only way i would want him, is if he plays only ss..as for nathan i would love for him to be our closer....but also ed wade needs to take a risk at gagne, and take a look at jon leiber, mark prior, and carlos silva.
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Post#53 » by RaoulDuke79 » Tue Dec 4, 2007 11:15 am

Bourn is a totally unproven player until I see otherwise. Eckstein is a proven leadoff guy who has a knack(IS THAT SPELLED RIGHT?!) for getting on base consistantly. Those 2 guys combined however could set the plate very well I imagine.

And yea I'd take a look at some of those guys too. I'd love to get Nathan more than the others though obviously, depending on what we give up.
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Post#54 » by A.J. » Tue Dec 4, 2007 8:36 pm

Luke Scott might get traded to the padres....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog...winter_meetings
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Post#55 » by rocketworld » Wed Dec 5, 2007 12:43 am

WOW!!!....tigers got both cabrera and wilis...omg
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Post#56 » by RaoulDuke79 » Wed Dec 5, 2007 1:45 am

Willis sucks and will get lit up consistantly in the AL(IMO), but landing both of them is pretty nice. They're going to be good. They already had good pitching, now they add a big bat. Bastards.

Also that link doesn't work for me A.J. What about Scott? I'm sure we won't get alot for him because he's a scrub but he does have some potential.

EDIT: nm I read it. It doesn't say who we potentially might get. Hopefully some starting pitching.
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Post#57 » by A.J. » Wed Dec 5, 2007 4:26 am

ed wade doesnt announce who he is trying to pursue, its against the astros policy or something like that
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Post#58 » by A.J. » Wed Dec 5, 2007 5:35 am

The Chronicle and Denver Post have reported the Rockies have offered SS Clint Barmes for 2B Chris Burke.
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Post#59 » by RaoulDuke79 » Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:17 am

A.J. wrote:The Chronicle and Denver Post have reported the Rockies have offered SS Clint Barmes for 2B Chris Burke.



LOL. That guy is awful. He had one semi-decent season and has sucked majorly for the last 2. Sub .300 OBP and hitting around .220, and strikes out a lot. No thanks. Even Burke is better than that(or could be).

I think we can do better than him.
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Post#60 » by A.J. » Thu Dec 6, 2007 8:17 pm

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Astros selected left-hander Wesley Wright from the Dodgers in the Major League phase of Thursday's Rule 5 Draft, the final formal activity of the four-day Winter Meetings that began on Monday.
The Astros also selected right-hander Guiseppe Norrito from the Dodgers in the Triple-A phase of the Draft.

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