Waiters?

[SaiCLE]

Interesting to see Byron calling out Waiters so soon - re: conditioning and defense.

Summer league will naturally bring the conditioning but I'm sure he doesn't want any backsliding before the season starts.
Defense is going to be a challenge for him simply because what he was asked to do in college is so much different than it is here.

Yea i watched a lot of Syracuse games, and they played zone religiously. So it will most likely take him a while to adjust to playing non zone D.

[TheOUTLAW]

Will Barton and Doron Lamb are better, and will be better, and they get draft almost 40 spots behind Waiters.

Cavaliers drafts are hilarious, they should hire me.

And yet, everyone had Waiters going in the top 10 and nobody have Barton or Lamb going that high. Yeah, your absolutely correct.

[truwizfan4evr]

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that


Reading this story I want to know what do Cavs think of Dion Waiters so far? And his health and do you regret drafting him? And would you guys would of like to had move up to second pick to draft Bradley Beal?

[gordito]

one of these days, he will shoot at least 40%. one of these days!

I am really going to do some serious praying for this guy to pan out. I'm getting very nervous with the way things are currently looking. He doesn't look like the type of player that could have longevity in the league. At all. Hopefully some of ya'll are right and it's "just the Summer League".

Wait....you can determine a player longevity in the NBA, even though he had only a handful of games??
not trying to flame you, but imo you're logic is flawed..

I will start by saying that by "longevity", I don't mean that he will never be good. I mean that even if he is good at some point, I don't see him putting together a long, successful career, which is what one tends to expect from someone taken at #4 overall.

What is Waiters, like 20 years old? And he's already one of those "came out of shape/he could lose about 10 pounds" type of players. I'm not saying he can't lose the weight or get in shape, but when you're that young (and a wing player at that), do you think issues like that will not raise up in the future? Add that to the fact that he is very undersized at the 2 and needs the ball to be effective (which is not the greatest fit, especially on a roster with Kyrie as your PG). Oh, and he's a streaky jump shooter and not a good defender at the moment (nor does he have the tools to be, aside from quick hands).

People like to throw out that Wade "small guard" comparison, but the fact is, even Wade has about 5 inches of reach on Waiters!! Not to mention Wade had/has elite athleticism. Just look at his block on Chandler in the Finals and try to imagine Waiters being physically capable of doing anything like that. They both may be able to get to the lane with ease, but finishing will be a big part of doing that successfully, and as of now, I haven't seen anything that tells me Waiters will be able to do consistently in the NBA.

[gordito]

Given your screenname, I'm not sure if this is an attempt at a troll post, but: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1190586&start=195

[truwizfan4evr]

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that


Reading this story I want to know what do Cavs think of Dion Waiters so far? And his health and do you regret drafting him? And would you guys would of like to had move up to second pick to draft Bradley Beal?

[SaiCLE]

@Gordito
There is a lot of knee jerk reactions with in you're post, I won't even bother on arguing with you smh..

[Jay81]

why didnt you guys draft Lilliard

[SaiCLE]

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that


Reading this story I want to know what do Cavs think of Dion Waiters so far? And his health and do you regret drafting him? And would you guys would of like to had move up to second pick to draft Bradley Beal?

I do not regret grant drafting waiters, Grant had several interviews where he simply said he scouted Dion for a full year. However i always had Michael Kidd-Gilchrist above Dion in my mock, and the Cavaliers wanted mkg or Beal at 2 but the cats were asking for too much just to move up.

[gordito]

I do not regret grant drafting waiters, Grant had several interviews where he simply said he scouted Dion for a full year. However i always had Michael Kidd-Gilchrist above Dion in my mock, and the Cavaliers wanted mkg or Beal at 2 but the cats were asking for too much just to move up.

Who gives a **** if he scouted him for a full year? That adds nothing to the conversation, except to infer that Chris Grant can't miss on this pick given the amount of scouting time he put into it. Just another typical homer response. As if Chris Grant has a perfect track record and there are rarely ever busts in the NBA.

Read this very slowly: It's okay to have doubts that a player my team drafted MIGHT not be successful.

@Gordito
There is a lot of knee jerk reactions with in you're post, I won't even bother on arguing with you smh..

Except there aren't. You "won't even bother on arguing" because you don't have anything to substantiate that comment. Basically, anything negative (whether constructive or not) = knee jerk reactions to homers.

Seriously, please point out any knee jerk reactions in my post. If you don't think showing up overweight and out of shape as a 20 year old, undersized wing is a slightly negative indicator, then we just have different perceptions. You're acting as if I said "ah man, he came in 10 pounds overweight and played bad for three games, he's going to suck for sure! lulz".

Note: I'm on the record being skeptical of this pick from the very beginning mainly due to fit (i.e. not only after three Summer League games). I've always said he has potential to be good, but that there's a high probability he might not to live up to his potential given a number of factors I've already mentioned (in addition to character/attitude issues that have already been documented in his career).

[SaiCLE]

I do not regret grant drafting waiters, Grant had several interviews where he simply said he scouted Dion for a full year. However i always had Michael Kidd-Gilchrist above Dion in my mock, and the Cavaliers wanted mkg or Beal at 2 but the cats were asking for too much just to move up.

Who gives a **** if he scouted him for a full year? That adds nothing to the conversation, except to infer that Chris Grant can't miss on this pick given the amount of scouting time he put into it. Just another typical homer response. As if Chris Grant has a perfect track record and there are rarely ever busts in the NBA.

Read this very slowly: It's okay to have doubts that a player my team drafted MIGHT not be successful.

@Gordito
There is a lot of knee jerk reactions with in you're post, I won't even bother on arguing with you smh..

Except there aren't. You "won't even bother on arguing" because you don't have anything to substantiate that comment. Basically, anything negative (whether constructive or not) = knee jerk reactions to homers.

Seriously, please point out any knee jerk reactions in my post. If you don't think showing up overweight and out of shape as a 20 year old, undersized wing is a slightly negative indicator, then we just have different perceptions. You're acting as if I said "ah man, he came in 10 pounds overweight and played bad for three games, he's going to suck for sure! lulz".

Note: I'm on the record being skeptical of this pick from the very beginning mainly due to fit (i.e. not only after three Summer League games). I've always said he has potential to be good, but that there's a high probability he might not to live up to his potential given a number of factors I've already mentioned (in addition to character/attitude issues that have already been documented in his career).

Just because i don't rage like a child, nor do i call for a lynch mob for grants head when ever i don't get what i want doesn't mean I'm a homer. And the reason why i don't want to argue is because it's useless i have my opinions and you have yours. There's a difference from constructive criticism and just bit*hing constantly, It's tiresome...just let it go and move on

[gordito]

Just because i don't rage like a child, nor do i call for a lynch mob for grants head when ever i don't get what i want doesn't mean I'm a homer. And the reason why i don't want to argue is because it's useless i have my opinions and you have yours. There's a difference from constructive criticism and just bit*hing constantly, It's tiresome...just let it go and move on

How I relate to any of that (raging like a child, calling for Grant's head, b1tching constantly) is beyond me.

The fact that YOU don't regret the pick simply because GRANT spent a year scouting him is the perfect definition of homer.

Again, read this very slowly: It's okay to have doubts that a player my team drafted MIGHT not be successful.

[TheOUTLAW]

BTW is anyone else not at all surprised by exactly what Scott said? He probably said the exact thing last year about Irving last year. The two things we all know about just about all rookies is that they need work on their defense and nobody is in good enough shape for coach Scott

[SaiCLE]

Just because i don't rage like a child, nor do i call for a lynch mob for grants head when ever i don't get what i want doesn't mean I'm a homer. And the reason why i don't want to argue is because it's useless i have my opinions and you have yours. There's a difference from constructive criticism and just bit*hing constantly, It's tiresome...just let it go and move on

How I relate to any of that (raging like a child, calling for Grant's head, b1tching constantly) is beyond me.

The fact that YOU don't regret the pick simply because GRANT spent a year scouting him is the perfect definition of homer.

Again, read this very slowly: It's okay to have doubts that a player my team drafted MIGHT not be successful.

Yet again I have my own opinion on the pick and you have yours, Let it go and stop reaching for a argument. I don't understand why you have a problem with me waiting before i judge Dion Waiters, I'm sure there are guys on this site that share your views but sorry to say I'm not one of them. DEAL WITH IT & LET IT GO

[Liver_Pooty]

Bobcats fan here. I think Barnes would have been a much better pick, but hopefully Waiters works out for you guys.

[tidho]

BTW is anyone else not at all surprised by exactly what Scott said? He probably said the exact thing last year about Irving last year. The two things we all know about just about all rookies is that they need work on their defense and nobody is in good enough shape for coach Scott

You're right I think Scott would and does say that about every rookie - its always about conditioning and defense.
I also think both comments are legitimate with Waiters too though. Especially defensively where he just hasn't learned what to do yet.

[dballislife]

Off topic. Trolling.

[BossHoggin]

Given your screenname, I'm not sure if this is an attempt at a troll post, but: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1190586&start=195

+1. Seriously, this board has a major reading problem.

[B Mac]

I merged the topics.

Next time take a look about 3 threads down to see if there is already a similar, or in this case, exact same thread open.

Thanks!

[three6mofia]

irving, harrison barnes and jonas v...oh jeeze what happened

Neither of those other two players have played a single nba game...what are u so emotional about?