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jbk1234 wrote:There's only so much you can reasonably blame on coaching. I mean basketball isn't brain surgery. If they're hiding Rozier on you, or leaving you to double on Garland, you have to take advantage of that.
jbk1234 wrote:toooskies wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Now for the bad and there's a lot of it.
Jb lost the Cavs this game and he's in full post season form.
If the Cavs are on a 11-2 run and regained the lead, don't take a timeout and kill the momentum. Jb did this earlier in the season too, what was it a Pacers game? Furthermore, do NOT challenge the Okoro foul, the timeout is more important, who cares if they tie up the game.
Jb played every single starter 35+ minutes, only 7 total players over 10+ minutes in this one. Also, the static not situational rotations is such an archaic mindset.
Lastly, that offense is down right ugly, gotta do something other than iso and high PnR but people have been saying that for 5 straight seasons.
Idk how people sit in front of their TV for 82 games and come away with the opinion that Jb is a good coach, absolutely mind blowning to me.
Yep, JBB pushed all your buttons on this one. I assure you he doesn't coach like this every night.
If JBB wins that challenge, and it was close (the ref didn't do a good job of explaining it), JBB keeps the timeout and we are one point closer to the win. He probably thought he'd win since the refs were calling the high hand touch consistently throughout the night, and like the TV commentators didn't notice the leg contact.
We are missing four rotation players and JBB played nine guys on the night. JBB didn't rotate his starters out in the 4th quarter, not giving Allen his typical break from roughly the 8 minute mark to the 4 minute mark. Which is how we came back from being down but also probably why we ran out of gas at the end. The timeout he took after the run was to give the starters a short rest so they maybe wouldn't be too burned out in crunch time.
JBB clearly doesn't trust CPJ, and CPJ didn't give him much reason to be trusted. -7 in 4 minutes, a couple of free throws, wasn't doing much for the offense. Remember that CPJ got destroyed in the Cavs' blowout loss to the Heat earlier in the year.
I think there's too many defensive breakdowns with Porter + Merrill out there. One thing I've been noticing is not that Merrill makes bad defensive plays, but there's just a lack of good ones-- slow to loose balls, rarely the guy to get make an off-ball steal, and he keeps losing those block/charge calls. Like Niang, his value is entirely dependent on if his shot is falling, and even a 4/9 night can seem like it isn't enough.
Niang's 3/11 with a lot of wide open misses hurt us, but his driving game continues to surprise. Niang being the third-best creator on the team on a given night is a problem. (For us.)
The Heat also stuck to defending their man most of the night, asking us to run the high pick and roll. You can't run a high ball-movement offense when the other team overplays the passing lanes. I agree that we need Okoro and anyone else off-ball to be a better cutter when the other team is guarding us so tight. But we don't get all that much practice with that!
As to the last point, I'm just not sure you should need coaching to cut to the basket under those circumstances. I'm not sure you should need coaches to tell you to stop leaking out when we don't have Mobley and Wade and are struggling to secure the defensive rebound either.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:toooskies wrote:Yep, JBB pushed all your buttons on this one. I assure you he doesn't coach like this every night.
If JBB wins that challenge, and it was close (the ref didn't do a good job of explaining it), JBB keeps the timeout and we are one point closer to the win. He probably thought he'd win since the refs were calling the high hand touch consistently throughout the night, and like the TV commentators didn't notice the leg contact.
We are missing four rotation players and JBB played nine guys on the night. JBB didn't rotate his starters out in the 4th quarter, not giving Allen his typical break from roughly the 8 minute mark to the 4 minute mark. Which is how we came back from being down but also probably why we ran out of gas at the end. The timeout he took after the run was to give the starters a short rest so they maybe wouldn't be too burned out in crunch time.
JBB clearly doesn't trust CPJ, and CPJ didn't give him much reason to be trusted. -7 in 4 minutes, a couple of free throws, wasn't doing much for the offense. Remember that CPJ got destroyed in the Cavs' blowout loss to the Heat earlier in the year.
I think there's too many defensive breakdowns with Porter + Merrill out there. One thing I've been noticing is not that Merrill makes bad defensive plays, but there's just a lack of good ones-- slow to loose balls, rarely the guy to get make an off-ball steal, and he keeps losing those block/charge calls. Like Niang, his value is entirely dependent on if his shot is falling, and even a 4/9 night can seem like it isn't enough.
Niang's 3/11 with a lot of wide open misses hurt us, but his driving game continues to surprise. Niang being the third-best creator on the team on a given night is a problem. (For us.)
The Heat also stuck to defending their man most of the night, asking us to run the high pick and roll. You can't run a high ball-movement offense when the other team overplays the passing lanes. I agree that we need Okoro and anyone else off-ball to be a better cutter when the other team is guarding us so tight. But we don't get all that much practice with that!
As to the last point, I'm just not sure you should need coaching to cut to the basket under those circumstances. I'm not sure you should need coaches to tell you to stop leaking out when we don't have Mobley and Wade and are struggling to secure the defensive rebound either.
We just need more players developed by coaches who know what they're doing? Seems simpler to just hire some better coaches. Garland should be the coach on the floor, but who's he learning from?
5 games in college, remember...
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
As to the last point, I'm just not sure you should need coaching to cut to the basket under those circumstances. I'm not sure you should need coaches to tell you to stop leaking out when we don't have Mobley and Wade and are struggling to secure the defensive rebound either.
We just need more players developed by coaches who know what they're doing? Seems simpler to just hire some better coaches. Garland should be the coach on the floor, but who's he learning from?
5 games in college, remember...
LeVert has been in the NBA for a decade. This is Okoro's 4th NBA season and he's has plenty of run. It seems inconceivable to me that either of them needs to be told to move without the ball when we're being defended like that. Especially when Merrill doesn't need to be told to keep moving. Even Mobley understands that you need to show or come to the ball when the other team starts to double the ball handler.
I just think they're limited off-ball players and it's hurting us given how the Garland is being defended. It's why we signed Strus. Both Mitchell and him being out really hurts.
Not only that, the game wasn't lost because Garland was getting blitzed. Jb's poor coaching decisions sealed this one.JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
We just need more players developed by coaches who know what they're doing? Seems simpler to just hire some better coaches. Garland should be the coach on the floor, but who's he learning from?
5 games in college, remember...
LeVert has been in the NBA for a decade. This is Okoro's 4th NBA season and he's has plenty of run. It seems inconceivable to me that either of them needs to be told to move without the ball when we're being defended like that. Especially when Merrill doesn't need to be told to keep moving. Even Mobley understands that you need to show or come to the ball when the other team starts to double the ball handler.
I just think they're limited off-ball players and it's hurting us given how the Garland is being defended. It's why we signed Strus. Both Mitchell and him being out really hurts.
You know LeBron didn't want his guys cutting on their own initiative, it turned his no look passes in to turnovers.
Baron Davis liked guys cutting, but he needed to tell them when.
It's not rocket science ... but someone needs to make it happen. That falls to the coach or at least his ability to get through to his players and make sure they prepare.
JujitsuFlip wrote:Not only that, the game wasn't lost because Garland was getting blitzed. Jb's poor coaching decisions sealed this one.JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
LeVert has been in the NBA for a decade. This is Okoro's 4th NBA season and he's has plenty of run. It seems inconceivable to me that either of them needs to be told to move without the ball when we're being defended like that. Especially when Merrill doesn't need to be told to keep moving. Even Mobley understands that you need to show or come to the ball when the other team starts to double the ball handler.
I just think they're limited off-ball players and it's hurting us given how the Garland is being defended. It's why we signed Strus. Both Mitchell and him being out really hurts.
You know LeBron didn't want his guys cutting on their own initiative, it turned his no look passes in to turnovers.
Baron Davis liked guys cutting, but he needed to tell them when.
It's not rocket science ... but someone needs to make it happen. That falls to the coach or at least his ability to get through to his players and make sure they prepare.
It's been happening for at minimum 3 seasons, why are you shocked now? Even with that style of defense, if Jb executes his rotations, timeouts, and whatever that wonky zone was... The Cavs win this game. The playoffs are a game of inches and Jb did his team no favors last night.jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Not only that, the game wasn't lost because Garland was getting blitzed. Jb's poor coaching decisions sealed this one.JonFromVA wrote:
You know LeBron didn't want his guys cutting on their own initiative, it turned his no look passes in to turnovers.
Baron Davis liked guys cutting, but he needed to tell them when.
It's not rocket science ... but someone needs to make it happen. That falls to the coach or at least his ability to get through to his players and make sure they prepare.
It's not just when he gets doubled, the opposing team is tilting towards Garland all game long and none of the players on the floor seem to know what to do with that, despite it happening regularly.
