Offseason thread - Hunter Morris Traded to Pitt

Post #321 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:33 pm

My opinion on the deal would be entirely based on how much cash Mark is paying and what prospects he'd be giving up.

Post #322 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:51 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:My opinion on the deal would be entirely based on how much cash Mark is paying and what prospects he'd be giving up.

Thunder Muscle · Post #323 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:27 pm

Hope we don't give up a ton. There are some red flags but his #s have stayed rock solid. I'd hope Philly would pony up some cash. Broxton/Oapelbon be pretty solid end of game albeit they are getting older. I'll wait & see.

my first thought was kerb hohl is gonna hate it haha. 20M+ in relievers.

Kerb Hohl · Post #324 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:39 pm

I don't hate it at this point of the offseason. Those guys are overpaid, but in terms of 2015, if this was the end to our offseason, who am I to care what Mark A. wants to overpay for Papelbon $-wise? Now, if we give up substantial prospects, that annoys me. Per the Broxton thing, I thought there were other things we could have done this offseason using Broxton and/or now Papelbon's contract $. At this point, there isn't much left to do. If Mark wants to spend on these guys, then go for it...but do not give up substantial future pieces.

Thunder Muscle · Post #325 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:09 pm

Yeah I'll lose it if we give up remotely decent prospects.

Kerb Hohl · Post #326 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:45 pm

Fastball is down to 91.3 from 95+ in 2011. Yay.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #327 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:25 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Fastball is down to 91.3 from 95+ in 2011. Yay.

Like I said, K-Rod 2.0. He obviously learned how to pitch around the loss in velocity given that his numbers are still pretty good but I wouldn't anticipate him being lights out or anything.

neiLz · Post #328 » by **neiLz** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:28 pm

I am hearing kris davis is in the deal, but not sure. i hope we dont give anything significant at all. id be mad if it was davis we gave up.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #329 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:30 pm

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:I am hearing kris davis is in the deal, but not sure. i hope we dont give anything significant at all. id be mad if it was davis we gave up.

That would make absolutely no sense. No way that's true unless the deal expands to include more players.

Post #330 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:01 pm

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:I am hearing kris davis is in the deal, but not sure. i hope we dont give anything significant at all. id be mad if it was davis we gave up.

Where are you hearing this from?

Post #331 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:04 pm

Neyer kills Papelbon:

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit ... Afoxsports

Yes, dead-enders will cite Papelbon’s 2.04 ERA last season as PROOF that he’s still got it. But Papelbon’s 2.04 ERA last season was the product of luck that will quite probably not be repeated. He gave up only two home runs all season, while his long résumé suggests he’ll give up at least five or six next time. He gave up a .247 batting average on balls in play, when his long résumé suggests his BABiP allowed will be roughly 30 points higher next time. And while Papelbon’s pitch selection has evolved, probably because he’s not throwing as hard, it’s not showing up in his ground-ball rate, which has remained fairly steady.

Papelbon’s posted just one ERA higher than 2.94 in his entire career, but all the numbers say he’ll make it two this year, and probably with plenty to spare.

Post #332 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:52 pm

Philly really wants to dump salary. No way I give up much to get him.

crkone · Post #333 » by **crkone** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:17 pm

His BABIP was abnormally low last season, .05 lower than it was the previous 2 seasons. I think he's gonna crash sooner than later.

Post #334 » by **jr lucosa** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:14 pm

.905 whip is really nice, not the hard thrower he once was but he can still get guys out. My two concerns are what we are giving up and the vesting option on his contract where 2016 becomes guaranteed with 48 games finished next season.

neiLz · Post #335 » by **neiLz** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:16 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
ArodpwnsFavre wrote:I am hearing kris davis is in the deal, but not sure. i hope we dont give anything significant at all. id be mad if it was davis we gave up.

Where are you hearing this from?

when it first broke on the mlb network someone mentioning it. I think it was a reporter from philly. might just be bs because its coming from a philly reporter.

dbrodz7 · Post #336 » by **dbrodz7** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:26 pm

Khris Davis can't be in the deal because Melvin said he was off limits for a David Price trade last year. No way he includes him for Papelbon if he wouldn't consider it to get Price IMO.

El Duderino · Post #337 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:06 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Fastball is down to 91.3 from 95+ in 2011. Yay.

Like I said, K-Rod 2.0. He obviously learned how to pitch around the loss in velocity given that his numbers are still pretty good but I wouldn't anticipate him being lights out or anything.

The by far difference between the two are home runs allowed. K-Rod really did a fabulous job of transforming how he pitched as his velocity decreased from his Angels days. In fact, his walk rate and WHIP numbers got better as he aged, but it was mainly just home runs which prevented him from being an elite relief pitcher. He'd miss with that 90mph fastball and it would get crushed. His WHIP was fabulous last year and his K/BB rate really good, but he allowed 14 home runs. Papelbon had similar secondary stats to K-Rod, but only allowed 2 homers.

As others have stated the obvious, any trade would be graded on the exact details. How much cash Philly picked up and who we sent in return. I'm more concerned about the quality of prospect/prospects sent than the cash given it's Attanasio's money and he's made plenty of cash since buying the team.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #338 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:24 pm

Not really in favor of it, but i could see it working out so i don't hate it. Though it could just as easily be a disaster so theres that.

Ruben Douglas · Post #339 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:14 am

Why would the Brewers pony up $13m and prospects for a declining CP when they could go out and sign Shields? If the Brewers traded Gallardo for average prospects to save money, why spend it on Paplebon?

trwi7 · Post #340 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:37 am

I wouldn't want a 33 year old Shields signed to a 5/100 deal either.

This has just been a really weird offseason. Improve by trading Lind for Estrada. Get worse by trading Gallardo for prospects. Possibly trade for another old, expensive reliever. Still not be good enough to get close to the playoffs or bad enough to get a draft pick that might make me excited.

Another year, another .500 season with the 15th pick as a reward.