Bernie

Slamm Goodbody · Post #21 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:59 pm

All this talk about bringing back Bernie or bringing up minor leaguers is moot because we don't have the roster spot. With the way the rotation has been, we need every available pitcher we can get. We can't send down our utility infielder in Cairo or our backup catcher in Nieves and the Yankees are married to the 1B platoon so give up on changing the dynamic on the bench. Unless it involves dumping one of those guys currently holding those spots it ain't happening.

Abraham Lincoln · Post #22 » by **Abraham Lincoln** » Tue May 22, 2007 12:00 am

Ok, so why not dump Cairo?

34Celtic · Post #23 » by **34Celtic** » Tue May 22, 2007 12:40 am

Abraham Lincoln wrote:Ok, so why not dump Cairo?

Because we need a backup IF, and he's our 5th OF. Do we really need Josh Phelps, he really brings less to the table then Craig Wilson

NYKnSTILL! · Post #24 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:21 am

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Because we need a backup IF, and he's our 5th OF. Do we really need Josh Phelps, he really brings less to the table then Craig Wilson

Phelps is better than both of those options , look at his late inning swinging

he 3 for 7 in late innings when we are trailing so I'd take his bat over Cairo or anyone on the bench

ReggieFULLeffect · Post #25 » by **ReggieFULLeffect** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:33 am

He also plays catcher...

Abraham Lincoln · Post #26 » by **Abraham Lincoln** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:41 am

So then get rid of Nieves. Guy can't hit a **** beach ball.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #27 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:49 am

Cairo has 16 at bats this year and no errors. What has he done to warrant wanting to get rid of him?

34Celtic · Post #28 » by **34Celtic** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:17 am

ReggieFULLeffect wrote:He also plays catcher...

Phelps has played a total of 41 innings at catcher in his entire career. If he really was a catcher we wouldn't have Nieves on the team

DakkaFromNyc · Post #29 » by **DakkaFromNyc** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:35 am

I wouldnt mind Bernie being sum where in the oraganztion of da yankees, but not on the roster cuz da yanks cant get younger by gettin older players

NYKnSTILL! · Post #30 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:16 am

Slamm Goodbody wrote:Cairo has 16 at bats this year and no errors. What has he done to warrant wanting to get rid of him?

he's playing second base and hitting horrible in those 16 ABs , would you like Cairo as a PH in the 6th or 7th , he's done.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #31 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:22 am

NYKnSTILL! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

he's playing second base and hitting horrible in those 16 ABs , would you like Cairo as a PH in the 6th or 7th , he's done.

Who is Cairo there to pinch hit for in our lineup? All our starters are all-stars or potential all-stars save 1B. Both our 1B are going to pinch hit for each other in matchup situations. IF Nieves is in then Posada will pinch hit for him, certainly not vice-versa. Cairo's position, as a utility infielder, is to a) field, b) bunt/sac, c) fill in in case of emergencies; he's not a power bat off the bench, as most utility infielders aren't. If you can get a utility infielder that is going to field flawlessly at 3/4 positions and hit 300 for power then by all means get that guy, but if you think Cairo is the problem here, you're mistaken.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #32 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:51 am

Slamm Goodbody wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who is Cairo there to pinch hit for in our lineup? All our starters are all-stars or potential all-stars save 1B. Both our 1B are going to pinch hit for each other in matchup situations. IF Nieves is in then Posada will pinch hit for him, certainly not vice-versa. Cairo's position, as a utility infielder, is to a) field, b) bunt/sac, c) fill in in case of emergencies; he's not a power bat off the bench, as most utility infielders aren't. If you can get a utility infielder that is going to field flawlessly at 3/4 positions and hit 300 for power then by all means get that guy, but if you think Cairo is the problem here, you're mistaken.

Cairo does nothing for that bench ! he is not a good option off the bench a righty who can't hit no more and is an average fielder. He hasn't bunted , is a smart baserunner but not a quick one. Alberto Gonzalez could step in and do better than Cairo.

Post #33 » by **HCYanks** » Tue May 22, 2007 4:56 am

Cairo's here as a backup middle infielder. He can't hit, but no one expected him to. Doug Mientkiewicz/Josh Phelps are playing a subpar platoon at a position where it'd be good to see an upgrade, assuming we can find one.

The Corpse of Bernie Williams is a subpar hitter who can't play defense anymore. He was an awesome center fielder in his prime, but it doesn't make him the glorious answer to our woes.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #34 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:08 am

NYKnSTILL! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Cairo does nothing for that bench ! he is not a good option off the bench a righty who can't hit no more and is an average fielder. He hasn't bunted , is a smart baserunner but not a quick one. Alberto Gonzalez could step in and do better than Cairo.

You're not looking at what his role is. His role is strictly defensive purposes and situational hitting. He has bunted in the past and this season you're looking at a 16 AB sample, that's 4 full games, essentially: not much of a sample size. Cairo is the second best bunter on the team (behind M...z) and will perform situational hitting admirably in those situations when need be, don't base your judgment on so few at bats. Every team has a utility infielder, most of which are not particularly good offensive players but do other things in the course of a game. If you're dying to bring a new player in, look no further than the 1B platoon, but at utility infielder it's more important to have a sound fundamentals/defensive player.

34Celtic · Post #35 » by **34Celtic** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:03 pm

Slamm Goodbody wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're not looking at what his role is. His role is strictly defensive purposes and situational hitting. He has bunted in the past and this season you're looking at a 16 AB sample, that's 4 full games, essentially: not much of a sample size. Cairo is the second best bunter on the team (behind M...z) and will perform situational hitting admirably in those situations when need be, don't base your judgment on so few at bats. Every team has a utility infielder, most of which are not particularly good offensive players but do other things in the course of a game. If you're dying to bring a new player in, look no further than the 1B platoon, but at utility infielder it's more important to have a sound fundamentals/defensive player.

Exactly, and when he does get a chance to play he works the pitcher, and knows his role. He is not in there to pinch hit or come in for defense for AROD Jeter or Cano so I don't know what else you guys want from a backup infielder

throwbackewing33 · Post #36 » by **throwbackewing33** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:48 pm

As far as Bernie goes, I'd like to see him come back for the end of the season for a bat of the bench. Our bench is weak and when the rosters expand Bernie could be a valuable bat off the bench. This could be a way to get that bat of the bench versus trading for one, which would most likely mean prospects going the other way. Plus Bernie is a switch hitter, if he understands his role he could still help the yankees.

DakkaFromNyc · Post #37 » by **DakkaFromNyc** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:30 am

Can Bernie pitch?? cuz we need pitchin more, IMO