if dirk continues to suck, does his contract drop?

[laaboy808]

Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Who cares that he makes a couple jumpers in the 4th when he's giving up layup after layup on the other end. Who cares that he gets 15 rebounds (most of them fell into his lap anyway) when he's not boxing out and allowing the spurs to get putbacks right under his nose. That performance was a prime example of empty stats.

And let's not forget that dumbass offensive foul off the ball on ginobili at the end of the 3rd... That's something you'd expect from a rookie, not a 35yo 15 year veteran. While irk was on the bench for 3 minutes the team cut the lead from 12 points to 6. So the mavs are on a little roll but diva irk then decides to shove manu for no reason while vince had a wide open layup which would've cut the lead down to 4. And of course for the remaining minute of the third quarter they remain scoreless because the offensive flow is completely gone thanks to irk.

Oh and good job carlisle, let's wait until 3:40 left in the 4th to bring vince back in. It's not like he was the best player on the team or anything. And while irk's getting destroyed on defense just leave him in, don't take him out to stop the spurs' offensive flow.

This series is over unless:
1) irk either plays some defense or gets less minutes, because i pretty much guarantee he won't make that many shots next game. He'll go back to his usual 40% shooting. Not that it matters if he does make them, he's still a negative out there.
2) vince gets more minutes and touches as opposed to having to take bailout shots all game.
3) marion, wright and sammy get some of irk's minutes

I respect your Vince fandom because I am a fan of DIRK. However, DIRK's defense is being exposed because he is getting caught in pick and rolls because Jose and Monta have terrible defensive awareness. At this rate, the Mavs should either switch on all picks and live with mismatches or try a matchup zone.

DIRK along with VC were the best players out there. VC should have been in during the fourth. That 3 guard lineup made absolutely no sense.

[laaboy808]

Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Agreed. Sad to see how quickly people turn their backs on him because of a bad series against the first seeded team.
What did people expect with such a limited roster and Dirk being past his prime?
Duncan has the luxury of playing with two all star caliber team mates albeit Manu is past his prime. What does Dirk have? Vince and Marion are so far removed from their prime it is not even funny anymore despite Vince having a great game.
Outside of the big 3 Spurs have young and dynamic players mostly. Mavs are very old in comparison.
Duncan can rest more than Dirk and his team still is better than the Mavs.

It's not about teammate. Dirk's proven equivalent to Splitter's value. Or maybe slightly lower. That's the truth. While you're talking about scoring, you've to pay attention how many points are scored upon Dirk. If you do watch the game, you'll find it vice versa. Dirk's not score enough to cover the easy layups allowed.

Can someone ban Darren for trolling? Did you just say DIRK is on par with Tiago Splitter?!!?!??!???! Don't make me laugh. Tiago gets spoon fed dunks and layups all game because teams are focused on Parker, Duncan and Manu. Tiago is a pure hustle player.

[Pg81]

Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Who cares that he makes a couple jumpers in the 4th when he's giving up layup after layup on the other end. Who cares that he gets 15 rebounds (most of them fell into his lap anyway) when he's not boxing out and allowing the spurs to get putbacks right under his nose. That performance was a prime example of empty stats.

And let's not forget that dumbass offensive foul off the ball on ginobili at the end of the 3rd... That's something you'd expect from a rookie, not a 35yo 15 year veteran. While irk was on the bench for 3 minutes the team cut the lead from 12 points to 6. So the mavs are on a little roll but diva irk then decides to shove manu for no reason while vince had a wide open layup which would've cut the lead down to 4. And of course for the remaining minute of the third quarter they remain scoreless because the offensive flow is completely gone thanks to irk.

Oh and good job carlisle, let's wait until 3:40 left in the 4th to bring vince back in. It's not like he was the best player on the team or anything. And while irk's getting destroyed on defense just leave him in, don't take him out to stop the spurs' offensive flow.

This series is over unless:
1) irk either plays some defense or gets less minutes, because i pretty much guarantee he won't make that many shots next game. He'll go back to his usual 40% shooting. Not that it matters if he does make them, he's still a negative out there.
2) vince gets more minutes and touches as opposed to having to take bailout shots all game.
3) marion, wright and sammy get some of irk's minutes

Can't take anyone serious who calls Dirk "irk".

[Darren]

This series is over unless:
1) irk either plays some defense or gets less minutes, because i pretty much guarantee he won't make that many shots next game. He'll go back to his usual 40% shooting. Not that it matters if he does make them, he's still a negative out there.
2) vince gets more minutes and touches as opposed to having to take bailout shots all game.
3) marion, wright and sammy get some of irk's minutes

Can't take anyone serious who calls Dirk "irk".

Quite true. No matter how bad Dirk play. We don't call him name. He's in his evening. For all he achieved (10 straight 50W seasons; 2011 Championship), we should respect him no matter what.

It's not about teammate. Dirk's proven equivalent to Splitter's value. Or maybe slightly lower. That's the truth. While you're talking about scoring, you've to pay attention how many points are scored upon Dirk. If you do watch the game, you'll find it vice versa. Dirk's not score enough to cover the easy layups allowed.

Can someone ban Darren for trolling? Did you just say DIRK is on par with Tiago Splitter?!!?!??!???! Don't make me laugh. Tiago gets spoon fed dunks and layups all game because teams are focused on Parker, Duncan and Manu. Tiago is a pure hustle player.

Dirk's not bother by 6-11 guys except Joakim Noah who's top 3 center in this league. The last one the bother him are Haslem and Cap Jack. All of them are swingmen. I am not trying to say Splitter is an all-star or anything. But that Dirk can no longer play major role big time. He's not stoppable in the past! He had been a 7-footer with one-leg fadeaway which is supposed to be unguardible. But now, he's guardible because of science (vertical reach). The subtle difference is that he can't jump anymore. That's why his rebounding drops seasons after seasons. I still want him as 2nd or 3rd option as a catch n shooter. It's time to rebuild or retool early. I think Dirk can understand that. He's a man takes accountability to his soul. He takes the blames for 2006 letdown and GSW-NOH swap. He will do the same after this playoff. He will understand that; and be happy to stay there to hit the rest of his milestones.

His contract will drop (by his own asking price) in my opinion. Not by Mark nor the Mavs. He wants to win badly. If there's a Lebron / Anthony. I can see him take much less. 5M-8M is still a respect to his contribution. He's not bother about money. I should say, it's likely 8M/3YR (he can opt to retire early. That is like 12M PER). It's a win-win situation for Dirk and the franchise.

Indeed, Dirk's ready to land Monta Ellis as Batman. But the latter isn't ready until he makes long jumpers consistently. Therefore, adding another impact player to form a new big three is a must to the franchise.

I will love us getting past first round. However, there're a lot of limitations to this team. I don't want to keep my expectation too high as our key player can't even stop so-so player on pick-n-roll. At least, I want them to take the next one and prove to prime free agent target. The Mavs is worth consideration. If Dirk continues to struggle like that, I don't like our offseason chance as well. Then, Dirk'd better make a major paycut to save the franchise.

[iJaeden]

Typical bandwagoner fans thinking DIRK is done...Drops 26 & 15 and goes off in the fourth quarter while the rest of the team is abysmal with the exception of Vince.

Dallas truly does underappreciate the greatest European player of all-time. So so so disrespectful.

Who cares that he makes a couple jumpers in the 4th when he's giving up layup after layup on the other end. Who cares that he gets 15 rebounds (most of them fell into his lap anyway) when he's not boxing out and allowing the spurs to get putbacks right under his nose. That performance was a prime example of empty stats.

And let's not forget that dumbass offensive foul off the ball on ginobili at the end of the 3rd... That's something you'd expect from a rookie, not a 35yo 15 year veteran. While irk was on the bench for 3 minutes the team cut the lead from 12 points to 6. So the mavs are on a little roll but diva irk then decides to shove manu for no reason while vince had a wide open layup which would've cut the lead down to 4. And of course for the remaining minute of the third quarter they remain scoreless because the offensive flow is completely gone thanks to irk.

Oh and good job carlisle, let's wait until 3:40 left in the 4th to bring vince back in. It's not like he was the best player on the team or anything. And while irk's getting destroyed on defense just leave him in, don't take him out to stop the spurs' offensive flow.

This series is over unless:
1) irk either plays some defense or gets less minutes, because i pretty much guarantee he won't make that many shots next game. He'll go back to his usual 40% shooting. Not that it matters if he does make them, he's still a negative out there.
2) vince gets more minutes and touches as opposed to having to take bailout shots all game.
3) marion, wright and sammy get some of irk's minutes

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

nm: triple post

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

Stay classy.

[Pg81]

Ironic coming from someone who does not show respect to a top 20-30 player of all time.

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

Ironic coming from someone who does not show respect to a top 20-30 player of all time.[/quote]
So criticizing a player's bad performance is on the same level as flat out insulting another poster? Nice.

edit: Btw if it means that much to you that i should call irk "dirk" i'll gladly do that. Just know that the "D" stands for Diva.

[Jasen777]

Overreact much?

Dirk is still an all-star level player.

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

Overreact much?

Dirk is still an all-star level player.

Not this series. Dirk and jose need should each be playing at least 10 minutes less. Vince, monta, shawn, devin and sammy have been carrying the team this series.

[Darren]

I'm glad that Dirk plays like himself on time.

[Pg81]

Stay classy.

Ironic coming from someone who does not show respect to a top 20-30 player of all time.

So criticizing a player's bad performance is on the same level as flat out insulting another poster? Nice.

edit: Btw if it means that much to you that i should call irk "dirk" i'll gladly do that. Just know that the "D" stands for Diva.

I am not referring to your criticism but you refusing to spell out his full name is childish to no end and certainly not "classy".
And no "D" stands for defense, nothing else.
As for Dirk's performances, he was only really bad in the first game, otherwise he is where I expected him to be against the best team in the league at the age of 36 and one year removed from a serious knee operation.
Overall a sub par series for his prime standards but he simply has exited his prime and people who expect him to carry that team on his own have really unrealistic expectations.
Last two games were actually good offensive wise. I disagree with the defense, while Dirk is bad, the main problem is that the guards cannot fight a screen if their lives depend on it and RC made the mistake and give Dirk a tiring defensive assignment.
After this game 6 I can only hope that Monta can develop into a real number 1 player. Dirk needs someone he can share the load, something he never had in his career so far unlike for example Duncan.

Overreact much?

Dirk is still an all-star level player.

Not this series. Dirk and jose need should each be playing at least 10 minutes less. Vince, monta, shawn, devin and sammy have been carrying the team this series.

No, this team goes nowhere without Dirk even if he does not play well or just avarage.

[Teffer10]

I heard it mentioned on the radio the other day the next big fish Cuban is focusing on is Durant. Nothing concrete obviously and just chatter but it does make you wonder how that will impact FA contracts this off season if that is the way Cuban is thinking.
Cuban's strategy might be to sign Dirk for more money but on a shorter term.

[Pg81]

I heard it mentioned on the radio the other day the next big fish Cuban is focusing on is Durant. Nothing concrete obviously and just chatter but it does make you wonder how that will impact FA contracts this off season if that is the way Cuban is thinking.
Cuban's strategy might be to sign Dirk for more money but on a shorter term.

Durant is a great player but what Dallas needs mostly are good defensive players who do not suck on offense imho.

[Teffer10]

I heard it mentioned on the radio the other day the next big fish Cuban is focusing on is Durant. Nothing concrete obviously and just chatter but it does make you wonder how that will impact FA contracts this off season if that is the way Cuban is thinking.
Cuban's strategy might be to sign Dirk for more money but on a shorter term.

Durant is a great player but what Dallas needs mostly are good defensive players who do not suck on offense imho.

I think he is looking at Durant as Dirk's potential replacement at that time in terms of role. Dirk will be 38 when Durant becomes a FA.
Again, too far down the road and there is no credibility to this notion.
My only point is that it will be interesting to see how Cuban structures contracts this off-season based on the future availability of superstar caliber FAs.
In other words, put together some young star potential players around Dirk (like Ellis) this off-season but ensure there is enough cap space to sign a proven all-star caliber FA to replace Dirk when a targeted and suitable one might become available.
I could seek Durant or Aldridge being targets for Cuban.

[BmanInBigD]

Quite true. No matter how bad Dirk play. We don't call him name. He's in his evening. For all he achieved (10 straight 50W seasons; 2011 Championship), we should respect him no matter what.

Yep. Pretty much. What the f has carter EVER done that's CLOSE to what Dirk has done? Lemme give you a hint: NOTHING!

[JES12]

And how quickly guys abandon the best player we'll ever have.....

Sorry if Im not ready to bury the guy or lowball him on a contract based on 5 games against the best team in the league.

It's not like you and I did not have this discussion before. I said months ago that "Dirk taking less" means that he would be making less than $8 mil. Dirk taking $10 mil is market rate. But I know you think his market rate is $15 mil, but we have yet to see eye to eye about that.

I want to pay him for what he will give us in the years of his new contract and you want to reward Dirk for what he pre-lockout.

[JES12]

What did people expect with Dirk being past his prime?

Hence the debate of his new contract. Does not make us bandwagoners.

[Pg81]

And how quickly guys abandon the best player we'll ever have.....

Sorry if Im not ready to bury the guy or lowball him on a contract based on 5 games against the best team in the league.

It's not like you and I did not have this discussion before. I said months ago that "Dirk taking less" means that he would be making less than $8 mil. Dirk taking $10 mil is market rate. But I know you think his market rate is $15 mil, but we have yet to see eye to eye about that.

I want to pay him for what he will give us in the years of his new contract and you want to reward Dirk for what he pre-lockout.

That doesn't mean you have to pay him like he is some bonafide scrub plus the title says "if Dirk continues to suck" which is a hilarious hyperbole since Dirk played overall awesome this season. He was not great in this series but he only really had 1 bad game and come one most people expected a sweep from the Spurs who are the best team in the NBA while Mavs are just in the upper third region and more importantly where 23rd worst team in the RS. When has such a bad defensive team ever won much in the PS? Probably never.
Heck Kobe Bryant gets what, 30 millions next 2 years while it is not even sure he will come back and even made it clear he mainly wants to climb the all time scoring list.